[DWind]

Threads like this give me a reason to hold on to my 15 year old (recently FC renewed) CBZ. I hope I would also be able to sell my bike one day for some 6 digit sum and not be guilty of contribution to pollution (does not mean RX does though except it was badly maintained with leaky oil tank).

[Captain Haddock]

Originally Posted by opendro

How does it matter whether I owned one or not? I'm as passionate as anybody in bicycles, motorbikes, cars. I owned a two stroke - Suzuki Max 100, I loved it but I gave it away for free to someone in village. I also have friends who own Rx. My perception of pollution changed when I had kids. I can hold my breadth now and then and adjust breathing depending on situations. Kids cannot.

You will know one day when you have children.

As I said, if you are buying it to enjoy riding on the outskirts, that is fine. Else, it is indeed an unwanted pollutant in the city. Cities are already hot chimney with the so called clean cars. Smoke is the last thing we want to add further.

I use an RX to take my kid to school everyday and I live in Kochi, the industrial hub of Kerala. 4 largest city in South India

"RX is a big polluter" is a wrong statement. Here's why

It comes with 2t lubrication system which delivers only the correct amount of oil. If an RX gives a visible blue smoke, the system has been unused and a premix has been used, that too in wrong amount. Blame the owner not the bike.

Despite being a 2 stroke it gives a decent figure of 30-35 Kmpl in the densest traffic. Most 4 strokes above 125CC give the same figure.

Good 2t oils like YAMALUBE gives less smoke and is barely visible.

Children face grave threats like second hand smoking and being concerned about a few RX100s emitting a bit more smoke than the 4 stroke bikes is far fetched.

RX is not a perfect god given bike, it's faults include hard suspension, poor headlamps etc. But it's a bike which can put a smile in your face after a terrible day at the office.

To conclude, if someone is really anxious about air quality concerning children, think about starting an anti tobacco campaign or govt buses installing better engines. (My opinion, of course, let us honourably agree to disagree)

[Abid135]

My uncle picked up a RX135 older than a decade for 20K, i rode it yesterday night and my eyes were on the windows of the homes of colony looking for projectiles launched by audio offended folks due to the high decibel trrr....ta ta ta note of the bike, boy what a thrill it is to ride... I have told my uncle, no selling the bike, not without telling me first!!!

[Hemant_Joshi]

I think, it was justified for an Rx 100, not the 135, Rx100 is truly iconic bike and still evokes fond memories.
If yamaha chooses to resurrect that bike, I am sure, there are still many many takers,
I was trying hard to get a used Rx 100, for quite some time, couple of years ago, somehow could not. I Wont mind paying decent amount to lay my hands on one in a good condition.

Out of context,
But I regret selling my Kawasaki KB 100, a decade ago..

[Abid135]

As a matter of fact , i have ridden the KB100 too whose condition was i would say was very far from well maintained and was abused to the most, still the bike held on to its and owner and would zoom past any pulsar or Karzma on the road in stop-go traffic.

The reason the two strokes are darling of few people are the power-to-weight ratios(check out a REVA beating a Audi R8 in drag http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...ml#post3949268), the light weight gives you nimble handling capabilities, and since the mass of the bike is less you wouldn't need Disc breaks unless you have a bike that is more than 135CC, i rode a HH CD100SSthen a TVS Centra ,a HH Passion+ and now a Honda Unicorn, when i rode my uncle's RX135 the feeling i got in terms of bike handling and braking needs were simply surprising, the bike shoots off in a straight line and then can be played with either to stop in a straight line or do some acrobatics when braking even on a not so grippy tarmac.

It is certainly not the most environment friendly bikes but then i see Classics and TB's with modified silencers blasting their filthy exhaust in my nose and also tearing my eardrums on a daily basis, how i wish we could ban these custom exhausts.

At the end of the day, not the best bike, but certainly a bike for adrenaline junkies.... light,fast and nimble.

[aveemashfaq]

Ok. For all the people who speak that 2-stroke engines are oil spitting dinosaurs, let me give you a small lesson in automobile engineering.

In cars, after you drive for 1000kms, you do a top up of engine oil. Do you ever wonder why? It is because the engine oil evaporates under high heat. The oil vapours are not condensed. Instead, a pipe runs from the engine cover into the intake manifold. This is found even in modern cars. The oil vapours are sent into the engine to burn along with petrol/diesel and exit through the tail pipe. So, even modern cars with their hi-tech less polluting engines spit oil vapours from exhaust.

Now comes the debate of the quantity of oil vapour from 2-strokers vs 4-stroke. In an 2-stroke auto or a chain saw or old scooter, 2T oil is mixed with petrol as 2.5ml of oil/liter of petrol. So, invariably, all the oil is spit out. But, in hi-tech bikes of the era like KB100, RX100, Max100R, they have a separate oil reservoir. It has a 2T oil pump which sprays fine and controlled quantity of oil. And so, the oil consumed is quite less than the 2.5ml/liter. I can confirm this because I have a KB100 and I have used it for some time.

In the end, no matter how low oil they spit, 2-strokes give out more oil than 4-stroke. True. But the pollution caused by the plants that make the new bikes, the pollution by all the allied plants like steel manufacturing plants that give raw materials, the workers transport pollution, them causing congestion so that other cars are also stuck in traffic jam and so the pollution because of them, just think about the expenses.

The UK govt was criticized a lot for introducing incentives to scrap old vehicles just because of the argument that I made above. And that is a developed nation where environmental laws are far more stringent. The indian bike produced today complies with BS-II standards and not the latest BS-IV as of cars. So, really if you are suggesting getting a new bike than using these oil spitting dinosaurs, you must have a brain the size of a nugget.

If you really are concerned with pollution, stop diesel trucks that are plying intra-state transport because they are more than 15 years old and even the new ones with stricter emmission standards are overloaded and so the engine works overtime and pollutes more. And also ban turbo-diesel cars like delhi govt did. Because, point 1, even though they give out lesser CO2 emissions, they give preposterous amount of NOx emmissions which is ridiculously high. And for that reason, Paris decided to stop allowing diesel cars into paris by 2020.

The second reason why diesels should be stopped is because of clogged up EGR valve. The car still works fine with some less power. Diesels are less polluting because a portion of exhaust goes back into engine and burns so better burning of waste and lesser emissions. The problem is that this re-use is governed by EGR which gets clogged up and so there is no re-circulation. So, now, the diesels are far more polluting in this fashion. What is worse, the EGR is not magic to eat away all soot, it barely re-circulates it. So, soot forms finer particles and sprays into the air which go undetected. Another icing on the cake is that EGR only functions when the engine is fully warmed up and has been running for sometime. And we use diesels for in-city short distance commutes. So, EGR is closed causing pollution. Let me put another cherry on top of it. The diesel cars, as exposed by VW scandal, work well under testing conditions. But in real driving with hard acceleration, they spit smoke like rolling coal.

And let me take it one step further. People don't drive their diesels in turbo-zone. Diesels in their turbo zones are efficient and cleaner. But when there is lag, the engine is slow to respond. TO have a linear torque curve, the ECU is tuned so that it spits marginally more diesel at lag zone to make the lag less noticeable. So, they are polluting a lot.

And let me make one thing clear. Just because you get more mileage does not mean you are less polluting. Now tell me, are these 2-strokes really that important or are other things higher up on your list.

[Abid135]

Originally Posted by aveemashfaq

In an 2-stroke auto or a chain saw or old scooter, 2T oil is mixed with petrol as 2.5ml of oil/liter of petrol. So, invariably, all the oil is spit out. But, in hi-tech bikes of the era like KB100, RX100, Max100R, they have a separate oil reservoir. It has a 2T oil pump which sprays fine and controlled quantity of oil. And so, the oil consumed is quite less than the 2.5ml/liter. I can confirm this because I have a KB100 and I have used it for some time.

I guess the correct ratio of 2T oil for every liter of petrol is 2.5% in place of 2.5ML, my FIL still uses his LUNA and it says 2.5% on the cap of the tiny petrol tank.

I saw the Petrol bunk rip the poor guys using the @2T mopeds by overcharging them, i asked for 100rs worth of petrol and Oil mix for which he doled out petrol worth just 83rs , when i asked they said that's how much it works out, since i didn't have the time to argue i left without creating a mess, 17rs for not even 40ml of 2T oil was definitely fraud.

[yamaniac]

I have 8 rx's. Yes '8' and am not trying to show off! It all started with my first bike rx100. It all began then. Although I bought it second hand in 2001 I still own it. I started collecting these beauties one by one and slowly I have gathered and restored these beauties to their original condition and they look spanking new. The list is Two 5 speeds, four 135's and two 100's.

And none of them are for sale. These will go to the grave with me. I don't know why 8! Don't ask. I just love the rx so much it's become a mental disease rather than a obsession. The power delivery, the sound that torque.. Mmmm.. And am buying more of them and saving them from the junk yard. This is one bike which needs help from being ripped apart at the scrap yard.
Yes, you can call Me a collector.. My wife and neighbours call me crazy. And am running out of parking space.

Honestly I wouldn't mind buying a brand new rx even if the price tag was 2l..I would be the first Person to buy it if it was launched again.

[prasadnair]

hope it was the 5 speed model, if it was the 4 speed model that fetched that price that's crazy ,even for the 5speed its above market value. I've seen rxz 5 speeds go fo such crazy prizes 175 -195k but never seen 135 5speed going that high

[Captain Haddock]

Originally Posted by prasadnair

hope it was the 5 speed model, if it was the 4 speed model that fetched that price that's crazy ,even for the 5speed its above market value. I've seen rxz 5 speeds go fo such crazy prizes 175 -195k but never seen 135 5speed going that high

The most coveted RX model is the iconic 100 not any model of the 135.

[prasadnair]

Originally Posted by Captain Haddock

The most coveted RX model is the iconic 100 not any model of the 135.

here in kerala you can easily get rx 100s for less than 40k unless the model year is before 89

[Captain Haddock]

Originally Posted by prasadnair

here in kerala you can easily get rx 100s for less than 40k unless the model year is before 89

I am from Kochi and has been using RX for the past 15 years. Any RX 100 in pristine condition demands at least 40-50K. If it's pre 1990 then the cost goes up to 60K in Kerala.

RX 135 lost the market share because models like RXG had a failed ignition system and the bump in displacement was to compensate for power lost while meeting the emission norms. The 100 is very short geared and a well tuned one can accelerate to 60 much faster than a 135. In terms of top speed the 5 speed 135 is better than RX100.

RX 100s even the post 90 ones were much reliable than the 135cc ones.
RX 135 with white dials were sold till 2005-07 and is not yet a vintage bike.

If similar conditions are considered 100s will fetch a greater value than any model of the 135.

[Sebring]

Hi, you're a man after my own heart. Why don't you share pictures of your eight beauties. RX is the bike many of us grew up with.

"I have 8 rx's. Yes '8' and am not trying to show off! It all started with my first bike rx100"

[Viju]

Originally Posted by Captain Haddock

I am from Kochi and has been using RX for the past 15 years. Any RX 100 in pristine condition demands at least 40-50K. If it's pre 1990 then the cost goes up to 60K in Kerala.

If similar conditions are considered 100s will fetch a greater value than any model of the 135.

RX100 being classic and vintage is fine, and their prices are definitely on the rise. But no RX100 is going at the prices of RXZs or RX135 5 speeds. Forget 60K, people are paying six digit sums for RXZs and 135 5 speeds.

[Captain Haddock]

Originally Posted by Viju

. But no RX100 is going at the prices of RXZs or RX135 5 speeds.

Will have to refute you statement with due respect regarding 135 outselling 100.

In stock condition it is unlikely for a 135 to be sold for more than a Rx 100 especially the pre 1989 models.

There is a reason why the RX 100s were a roaring success while the 135 could not live up to expectations. The sheer acceleration till 60 and the exhaust note is missed even in the 135 5 speed. Remember that early RX 100 were not exactly 100cc and were made in Japan. There was a slack in quality from escorts when the 135 was produced hence it's not considered as reliable as the 100s.

Having said that RX 135 is a great bike on it's own. It's top speed is much greater than a RX100's and I will call it the unsung hero for Yamaha.

The 2 strokes that fetches the maximum resale is ranked like this(based on mine and my mechanic's knowledge, he was the first to under go yamaha's training in Kerala and worked with Yamaha's first dealer back in the 80s)

RD350-HT
RD350-LT
YEZDI ROADKING
Pre 90 RX100
5 Speed 135/RXZ.
RX135 4 Speed
RXG.(had a wrong ignition system initially)