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13th July 2018, 16:54 | #16 | |
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| Re: Pakistan-made Sigma Rokk 200: A KTM Duke clone Quote:
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And in the given scenario KTM is the first mover and has the prominent advantage of market capital where as the second movers be it Benelli or UM or Sigma would have the advantage of lesser productions costs. It is just the way things are, just because xxx is a second mover that doesn't mean that I would anyhow just go with yyy being a first mover overseeing the advantages that xxx would pose for me unless I have a strong case against opting for it. Quote:
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Though if you're wondering about why I display a distaste for the recent offerings it is simply because I've had the opportunity to work on a few, though a fan of the technology or rather lack off it, the quality at the current price point is something I find unjustifiable. Also my co-rider for a ride in February around the golden quadrilateral circuit was riding a pristine condition Bullet 500 with more or less the same km's as my CT100B, and believe it or not the riding conditions and speeds only resulted in my motorcycles RVM's(heavier non-stock) coming loose, whereas the RE faced a plethora of issues from parts coming loose to breaking off to oil leaks(barely around the 50% mark at around 4k km's) and much more, now I would discount most of the issues if the motorcycle were ridden at its peak but that was also not the case, especially since my co-rider had the fortune of riding alongside me. Quote:
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Comparison is good but comparing apples and oranges will only go so far. Forget reinventing the wheel even for the sake of meeting customer expectations, the customer base in markets such as ours is influenced more by notions rather than facts, a testament to the statement is the sales figures of Honda Activa's and Royal Enfields. After all this expecting zen percent originality is just asking too much. Rather than to criticize such examples such as the Sigma Rock 200 we have not bothered to give a second though to such indigenous manufacturers, anyone remember the Rock 100? I doubt it, this is what has become of the manufacturer; Quote:
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But hey, if there's a market and no legal infringements then is there really anything substantial to base a blame on, other than pure notion? Quote:
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But there is no fooling involved, a manufacturer selling a premium product and falling short on multiple occasions can be close to fooling the customer, but a product that is branded otherwise but still meets safety regulations to be put up in stores is nowhere close to fooling a customer, that is neglect from the customers end. If you're saying that these items with similar names are not approved and are sold under falsehood then that is a punishable offence but that is nowhere in conjunction with what Sigma is doing with the Rokk 200. Not sure what celestial substance someone would have to be high on to walk into a store demanding a KTM Duke 200 and end up walking out or rather riding out on a Sigma Rokk 200. Quote:
One of the Enfields I've worked on is this Bullet 500, which we rode from KL to DL via East and Back via West in under 2 weeks, with our highest recorded distance covered in a day coming in the ballpark of 900 km's, no service stations visits or anything as such I worked on both the motorcycles seen the picture by myself by the side of the road, which is more experience than the average consumer who is a prime contributor to the said sales figures. Quote:
This one rather is more of a brand new machine with under 5k on the odo, the exhaust literally broke free while riding. I do understand being proud of ones machine but then again we should be realists, if a manufacturer expects me as a consumer to cough up a premium then this is not what is I would expect, but say if I were offered the likes of the Sigma Rokk 200 for quite a reasonable price then I would have nothing to complain about, even the sub standard run-in 1500 km's warranty for that matter because as a consumer I see a win-win situation, I get absolutely what I pay for, nothing less, nothing more. As for Bajaj Pulsar's, they are an absolute disaster when it comes to finesse but irrespective of the number of blown seals as long as you make sure that there's oil in it and the oil is changed at 2k intervals then it would keep on running, they're the Honda Cub's of the Indian performance market, if such a thing actually exists. Quote:
I guess I've put forth all my thoughts on the matter and I fear pushing any more would end up going around in circles with not value addition to the topic, so peace out it is from my end. A.P. | ||||||||
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https://www.consumercomplaints.in/co...e-c327064.html The Global Rock 100 looks like a love child between the Hero Splendor and Bajaj Platina with a Chinese engine. Ah yes! let me enlighten you and others with what happened to Global Automobiles which offered the Rock 100 bike. See article below: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/19959073.cms It is appalling to see someone glorifying such dubious brands and diluting the very essence of the term indigenous. Quote:
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17th July 2018, 03:21 | #21 | ||||||
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Only a handful of people I knew owned the motorcycle and they had to be serviced locally due to not having an authorized dealer in Kollam. Quote:
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All things break and defects are part of every production cycle which is quite understandable, but when a pattern is observed irrespective of model then it raises alarm, that is all what I was saying, again it might be that my co-rider was on the unlucky end of the spectrum but then again not all the people I know who pull long hauls on RE's could end on the flip side as well, though not quite impossible the chances do not look encouraging from an observers point of view. Quote:
I say the Pulsar lacks finesse as I've owned a Karizma in the past. Bajaj's leak oil whereas Honda's leak compression, this is more or less a known fact among enthusiasts who've owned both specific motorcycles of the two manufacturers pertaining to the same class. Again, the first time the P220 blew a seal was when I had to haul-ass for 400 km's before even considering a break due to certain political interference en-route, and this is from using the exact 1150ml of fluids measured and poured to the dot. Over time I've learnt to ignore such petty matters, though crude the Pulsar gets the job done without fail and at reasonable cost which ultimately is what I bought it for, at the same time the Karizma would not have blown a seal but random compression loss would have left me in a pickle considering that I had to move fast due to situational demands. Which again is why I believe the concept of reliability is purely subjective unless a trend proves otherwise. Quote:
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/tychode.../#7ff7b01d6e2a I would like to quote one line from this article which stands out, "I asked the owner of the dealer how he felt about the cloning controversy. He smiled and said it was good for business: the SR9 was famous, people loved a cheap "Porsche," and he was selling a car a day. I asked whether he felt bad for Porsche, to which he replied it was their own fault for pricing their cars too high. He was also absolutely unafraid about any legal difficulties." Looking at the above reason makes me think these people have no ethics in doing business, forget about acknowledging copying they are justifying it by saying it is the reputed manufacturers fault in pricing their cars so high! beats me hollow. There has been a backlash from reputed carmakers against this and some of them are now going after them legally. See links below: https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-ja...-idUKKCN0YP1JJ https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/f...nockoff-f-150/ https://www.forbes.com/2007/08/29/da...l#1c5efa2f27ce https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...e-copycat.html http://www.eurekamagazine.co.uk/desi...makers/165828/ Quote:
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