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Old 20th May 2019, 07:06   #46
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Old 20th May 2019, 09:24   #47
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This is it! Quite a looker if might say so myself.
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Prices announced

250 - 170655.00 Ex Showroom Delhi
150 - 109870.00 Ex showroom Delhi

I have got mixed feelings about this, I was hoping to book the 250 if it was anywhere close to 150000.00 but now I am not so sure.
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Undercuts the age old Honda 250R by 25k.

I believe that's good pricing from Suzuki.
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Undercuts the age old Honda 250R by 25k.

I believe that's good pricing from Suzuki.
Agreed. Looks beautiful and priced reasonably well IMO. The performance from the engine is to be seen but judging from how the Suzuki 150 twins perform, I'm hopeful this can be another winner for Suzuki. It would have been great if the introductory prices were lesser by 5-10 k to keep the OTR price well below 2 lacs

My only real worry is the oil cooled engine in our environment and that measly 12L tank capacity.
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Undercuts the age old Honda 250R by 25k.

I believe that's good pricing from Suzuki.
Overpriced. By 30 k. Should have been prices on par with fazer 25. Fz 25 has a usable pillion seat Dominar 400 offers move for the same price. Use forks, liquid cooled engine, usable pillion seat, 150 cc more and beefier looks.
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Overpriced. By 30 k. Should have been prices on par with fazer 25.
I wouldn't consider Dominar and FZ25 as direct competition - Fazer 25 and CBR 250R yes. Of course, naked bikes have always been more VFM in the market than faired versions.

Fazer 25 is of course cheaper, but there is no way I would buy that or recommend it. 1. Just the way it looks (worst in the market IMO) and 2. It's nowhere close to a 250 in specs - with just about 20bhp.

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Overpriced. The 150 lost some 1 horsepower and gained 6 kilos. The 250 is heavy and not that powerful or tech-laden for the price. Style is all that Suzuki is banking on.

I have a new-found respect for the super-light, high-revving R15 V3 and the feature-packed heavy-weight Bajaj Dominar.

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Good deal for what it has to offer, and on the contrary this should be easy on maintenance. I own a CBR 250R and the R15 and I know why liquid cooling is a boon and bane, the latter purely due to maintenance. The CBR, offering dual channel ABS with CBS on the older ones.

This new Gixxer is no way slouch or shy of any performance metrics. If you'll observe, there aren't any fins in the cylinder block, it's purely dependent on the oil cooling, stuff I tell you. The Suzuki offers DUAL CHANNEL ABS, with a six speed gearbox, a FI unit which isn't that bad after all. The nearest Jap segment leader offers only a 5 speed gearbox. When you consider the price to what it has to offer, Suzuki has in fact got the pricing right.

What Suzuki has banked a little more this time is the styling factor. Personally, I feel the rear is a little too busy for my liking, but nothing gawdy or awkardly evident. It flows well, it's only the visual bulk that the Suzuki is offering. If you'll observe even more closely, the pillion seat is one for my liking, isn't too raised that is a pain in the posterior for the rider like the R15s and the likes. It's flat as a CBR and almost looks the same, so it's a win in that case too.

To nitpick, yes, could have been offered with a slipper clutch, and liquid cooling, but hey 100% not a complaint's worth.

Nonetheless, it's better late than never and I think Suzuki high time needed a quarter liter mile muncher.

I hope it goes well for them with this one.

May the force of Inazuma be with them this time.

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Suzuki has confirmed during the SF launch event that the naked version - Gixxer 250, is also on the cards soon -

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Suzuki has confirmed that it is working on a naked version of the Gixxer SF 250 for India. The naked bike, which will definitely share its engine, chassis and other equipment with the recently-launched SF 250, is expected to make its debut, in the next few months, along with a similarly-styled updated Gixxer 150.
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I like the design! I dig that they went with matte colors. I was half expecting to see that Suzuki blue again. Not that it is boring, but a blue Gixxer has become cliche now. The matte black looks great.
Look forward to the naked/upright one.
I hope this bike does well.

Curious why some of you say it is overpriced - isn't it about the same as a Duke 250 / RC200?

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Powerdrift first ride video is out. Surprised to see Shumi has joined them - a very good addition I'd say.
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If you'll observe, there aren't any fins in the cylinder block, it's purely dependent on the oil cooling, stuff I tell you.
What do you think would be the effect on oil life and performance on this engine if the oil is used with repeated heating and cooling cycle? Has Suzuki made this kind of cooling in any of the historical road bikes? There is a mention of oil cooling in some of their old bikes, anyone here know which are those exact models? Would this technology fare well in Indian condition? Need to do some deep dive research before plunging in.

Some skepticism apart, this looks too good to pass on. I am planning to buy a Apache 310 this year end eyes closed, this looks like good contender, I need to test ride both these bikes when the time comes.

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What do you think would be the effect on oil life and performance on this engine if the oil is used with repeated heating and cooling cycle? Has Suzuki made this kind of cooling in any of the historical road bikes? There is a mention of oil cooling in some of their old bikes, anyone here know which are those exact models? Would this technology fare well in Indian condition? Need to do some deep dive research before plunging in.

Some skepticism apart, this looks too good to pass on. I am planning to buy a Apache 310 this year end eyes closed, this looks like good contender, I need to test ride both these bikes when the time comes.
Technically, oil-only cooling is a nice solution for low cost bikes because there is only 1 liquid that does the job of lubrication and cooling. This means that everything required for water cooling - pump, radiator, thermostat, seals, gaskets, etc. - are eliminated. There is no danger of the 2 liquids mixing and contaminating each other.

Since there is a radiator for the oil, extra oil is required in the system to fill the radiator. This will mean that more oil and the additives in the oil are available for the engine to use and the total quantity of oil is likely to degrade more slowly than other in engines. Unlike other motorcycle engines with oil coolers, this one has a fan so oil temperature is likely to be well controlled. This too is an important factor in ensuring good oil life

So one might wonder if this system is so great why isn't it used in all motorcycles? Because of 2 reasons:
1) air cooling, with or without an extra oil cooler, is still cost-effective for lower power density engines (< 100 bhp/litre), which is most Indian bikes.
2) the thermal properties of water make it a better coolant than oil. So despite the additional complexity that water cooling adds, the system is more compact and lighter.

The Suzuki oil cooling system is a technical compromise but an acceptable one for this price point.

Here is an article describing the Suzuki Advanced Cooling System:
https://classic-motorbikes.net/brill...g-system-sacs/
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