A Detailed Report on P220

Technocrat · 22nd March 2007, 11:38

Thanks guys its nice to know the efforts getting appreciated

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Originally Posted by extreme_torque

Indirectly you are saying that the quality on Pulsar 150/180 is better than ZMA.... since they share a lot of parts including the switch gear, tail lights and rear cowls, tank, Digital speedo, alloys and even the engine which is bored to the limit in case of P220.
Now dont tell me they are using different quality parts for Pulsar 150/180 and the P220.

@techno... hw abt the starter sound, is it same or better than the one on P180v2.

Yes The quality of certain parts on Pulsars were always good viz, paint quality, fiber parts quality. Also fit & finsih levels especiaaly the way the entire console is fitted into the fairing is better than that on zma.

Starte sounds is better but still somewhat similar not exactly same but still

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Originally Posted by Steeroid

Nice review there - pretty exhaustive.

What's the price difference between the two machines? Or are they priced @ par?

Thanks Steeroid. I dont know the exact figure but I belive the OTR prices are pretty close i.e. in the range of 2-3k

maxbhp · 22nd March 2007, 14:01

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Originally Posted by technocrat

The bike is very eager to lean when compared to previous Pulsars. So is this the new Handling champion ?? Sadly No here where I hated BAL the most, they have actually ruined a great handling bike into a non handling one, the reason ?? The stupid main stand aargh the mains stand scrapes at slightest of the lean I am very sure infact confidant that if the main stand is removed the bike will be an awesome handler

I dont think its justifiable to say its not a good handler coz of low clearance. Thats like saying M3 is not a good handler coz the skirts scrapes very often.

Technocrat · 22nd March 2007, 14:07

Ok I will rephrase this, the stand completly ruins the handling on ghats or to be more correct mars the high speed riding capabilities of the bike..

Cant talk about M3

jkdas · 22nd March 2007, 19:11

did u have any problem with FI? Heard they pulled it from the market to work on it.

zma cost 83k in bangy! and you have one month waiting period !

veyron1 · 22nd March 2007, 21:44

That rumour is true. Bajaj is supposed to be re-launching the bike in may.

Nice comparo, techno. A doubt, though- what's the top end on the 220? (I'm guessing the bike's been run in.)

The real question is- would a current ZMA owner trade-in his ride for the 220. I'm guessing... a resounding N-O. A used ZMA would fetch 55K, approx. Add another 30K for the 220. A total loss of 60K. For what? A few gizmos? I don't think so.

The 220 DTS-Fi has been overhyped. Had there been a mono-shock, 6-speed and a top whack of 150 kays, Bajaj guys would be busy with calcs counting the zeros on their bottomline. Sadly, that's not the case here.

I'm no brand loyalist (more of a product loyalist). But with experience, I've found HH bikes to be far more reliable. Although 180's and to an extent, 200's, provide affordable performance motoring, the 220 doesn't offer much when compared to the ZMA. Which is where Bajaj loses.

IMHO, FI can only show it's true efficacy when combined with multi-cylinder engines.

An FI 400cc twin for about 1.3 lacs OTR, with more or less the same features on the 220- plus a monoshock, 0-100 in <8, and a top whack of 160+, and Bajaj has a winner on their hands.

Ah, dreams...

vabs78 · 22nd March 2007, 23:16

Current ZMA owners may not switch to P220 but how about new buyers? Should they still go for ZMA? IMO P220 seems to be a better buy.

BTW @Techno,
did you feel any effect of FI? is it any advantageous than carb engines in terms of power delivery and throttle response?

Technocrat · 23rd March 2007, 11:27

@veyron1: I couldnt do speed test as most of the roads were twisties

@vabs78: Yes you are right for some one spending 80k+ money on bike P220 with all the latest gadgetry seems to be a better buy, I am saying this because I have observed that almost 70% people who buy ZMA do not use its potential & buy it only becasue its expensive & looks good.

The p220 felt smoother & power delivery is much more linear than previous Pulsar, the bike now revs very fast again unlike any previous pulsars, The bike was able top pull from 25kph in 5th gear with some pingin but no jerks at all. Dont know whether all this is due to FI or something else.

From what I have heard they are facing some problem regarding availaibility of some componants & thats what even EVO6 said

Maverick5490 · 23rd March 2007, 12:52

Nice review and awesome pics dude.. The P220 is gonna hve a few teething problems.. but come to look at it.. the game is getting better!!

vabs78 · 24th March 2007, 06:41

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Originally Posted by Technocrat

@vabs78: Yes you are right for some one spending 80k+ money on bike P220 with all the latest gadgetry seems to be a better buy, I am saying this because I have observed that almost 70% people who buy ZMA do not use its potential & buy it only becasue its expensive & looks good.

In India VFM is always going to be the key for success be it a 100cc or a 220cc and it is not necessarily a bad thing.

PsychoLyn · 24th March 2007, 18:09

Good Review...Great Reading Material For The Day...Cheers

But Any Idea Whether HH Got Any 250cc Bike Coming Out...
Out Here In Dubai Honda Is Come Out With A Very Reasonably Priced 250CC Bike..
Based On The CBZ Frame Just Longer

sunilchakola · 20th April 2007, 13:10

Hi Technocrat the review supplies good information about the both machines... nice one keep it up...

kailashnj · 24th April 2007, 21:12

Very very informative and good review. I am impressed by the review that you have written. Thanks a lot.

Technocrat · 25th April 2007, 11:37

Thanks a lot Maverick5490,PsychoLyn, sunilchakola & Kailashnj

rider60 · 30th April 2007, 15:36

nice write up and good pics! good to know the bajaj guys are looking at quality improvement as far as the gearbox issues are concerned, also a rear disc is one part i like on this bike and finally the speeds impressed me!

NO offence here! but after looking at the CRACKED FRONT BARREL OF P200 I am scared to even look at a bajaj!

one question here what about the fuel efficiency of this beast?

IronWolf · 28th June 2007, 00:31

Nice reviews...

However I think the Indian motor scene is taking tooo little baby steps.

100-125-150-180-200-220..240 next?

By the time they hit the 600cc range, let alone the Liter class..I'll be pushing daisies (Sure the Yam R1 and MT-1 are coming in India..but its going to be overpriced due to duty)

22nd March 2007, 14:07	#18
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	Ok I will rephrase this, the stand completly ruins the handling on ghats or to be more correct mars the high speed riding capabilities of the bike.. Cant talk about M3
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22nd March 2007, 19:11	#19
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,687 Thanked: 1,492 Times View My Garage	did u have any problem with FI? Heard they pulled it from the market to work on it. zma cost 83k in bangy! and you have one month waiting period ! Last edited by jkdas : 22nd March 2007 at 19:12.
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22nd March 2007, 21:44	#20
veyron1 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,424 Thanked: 52 Times View My Garage	That rumour is true. Bajaj is supposed to be re-launching the bike in may. Nice comparo, techno. A doubt, though- what's the top end on the 220? (I'm guessing the bike's been run in.) The real question is- would a current ZMA owner trade-in his ride for the 220. I'm guessing... a resounding N-O. A used ZMA would fetch 55K, approx. Add another 30K for the 220. A total loss of 60K. For what? A few gizmos? I don't think so. The 220 DTS-Fi has been overhyped. Had there been a mono-shock, 6-speed and a top whack of 150 kays, Bajaj guys would be busy with calcs counting the zeros on their bottomline. Sadly, that's not the case here. I'm no brand loyalist (more of a product loyalist). But with experience, I've found HH bikes to be far more reliable. Although 180's and to an extent, 200's, provide affordable performance motoring, the 220 doesn't offer much when compared to the ZMA. Which is where Bajaj loses. IMHO, FI can only show it's true efficacy when combined with multi-cylinder engines. An FI 400cc twin for about 1.3 lacs OTR, with more or less the same features on the 220- plus a monoshock, 0-100 in <8, and a top whack of 160+, and Bajaj has a winner on their hands. Ah, dreams...
	() Thanks

22nd March 2007, 23:16	#21
vabs78 BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pune, India Posts: 552 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	Current ZMA owners may not switch to P220 but how about new buyers? Should they still go for ZMA? IMO P220 seems to be a better buy. BTW @Techno, did you feel any effect of FI? is it any advantageous than carb engines in terms of power delivery and throttle response?
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23rd March 2007, 11:27	#22
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	@veyron1: I couldnt do speed test as most of the roads were twisties @vabs78: Yes you are right for some one spending 80k+ money on bike P220 with all the latest gadgetry seems to be a better buy, I am saying this because I have observed that almost 70% people who buy ZMA do not use its potential & buy it only becasue its expensive & looks good. The p220 felt smoother & power delivery is much more linear than previous Pulsar, the bike now revs very fast again unlike any previous pulsars, The bike was able top pull from 25kph in 5th gear with some pingin but no jerks at all. Dont know whether all this is due to FI or something else. From what I have heard they are facing some problem regarding availaibility of some componants & thats what even EVO6 said Last edited by Technocrat : 23rd March 2007 at 11:29.
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23rd March 2007, 12:52	#23
Maverick5490 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Thane Posts: 1,464 Thanked: 1,814 Times View My Garage	Nice review and awesome pics dude.. The P220 is gonna hve a few teething problems.. but come to look at it.. the game is getting better!!
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24th March 2007, 18:09	#25
PsychoLyn BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 152 Thanked: 3 Times View My Garage	Excellent... Good Review...Great Reading Material For The Day...Cheers But Any Idea Whether HH Got Any 250cc Bike Coming Out... Out Here In Dubai Honda Is Come Out With A Very Reasonably Priced 250CC Bike.. Based On The CBZ Frame Just Longer Last edited by PsychoLyn : 24th March 2007 at 18:12.
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20th April 2007, 13:10	#26
sunilchakola BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 124 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage	Hi Technocrat the review supplies good information about the both machines... nice one keep it up...
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24th April 2007, 21:12	#27
kailashnj BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 958 Thanked: 375 Times	Very very informative and good review. I am impressed by the review that you have written. Thanks a lot.
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25th April 2007, 11:37	#28
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	Thanks a lot Maverick5490,PsychoLyn, sunilchakola & Kailashnj
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30th April 2007, 15:36	#29
rider60 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bhagyanagaram. (A.K.A. Hyderabad) Posts: 1,620 Thanked: 56 Times View My Garage	nice write up and good pics! good to know the bajaj guys are looking at quality improvement as far as the gearbox issues are concerned, also a rear disc is one part i like on this bike and finally the speeds impressed me! NO offence here! but after looking at the CRACKED FRONT BARREL OF P200 I am scared to even look at a bajaj! one question here what about the fuel efficiency of this beast?
	() Thanks

28th June 2007, 00:31	#30
IronWolf Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Benga-loo-ru Posts: 1,569 Thanked: 45 Times View My Garage	Nice reviews... However I think the Indian motor scene is taking tooo little baby steps. 100-125-150-180-200-220..240 next? By the time they hit the 600cc range, let alone the Liter class..I'll be pushing daisies (Sure the Yam R1 and MT-1 are coming in India..but its going to be overpriced due to duty)
	() Thanks