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The bike is essentially Himalayan. The side panel has Himalayan sticker too.
Himalayan is purpose-built to saddle through rocky terrain. Scram, with its ergonomic changes, makes it better suited for city commutes. Also coming from a Hero impulse, I knew that 21" front wheels aren't ideal on city bikes.

There are two reasons. The first one is ride quality. I believe, under 3 Lakhs OTR, this has the best ride quality. The other aspects like top speed, and handling don't matter to me.

The second reason is that I like retro motorcycles. Both in terms of looks and power delivery. This is my first ever Royal Enfield. I like how the power comes lower down the rev range. As long as the bike is moving, it is fun. Even if you are crawling in traffic at a steady 5kmph.

I liked Yezdi scrambler too. But Scram 411 has better ride quality and engine refinement. That sealed the deal.

I'm planning to add three accessories. Engine guard, master cylinder guard, and oil cooler guard, which will cost me INR 3500/- in total.

RE Scram review by a Philippines motorcycle channel. Reviewed at Leh / Himalayas.

https://youtu.be/kJqxEyoJqHI

I rented a Scram in Leh for 6 days. The day I went to Khardung La, it was snowing and there was ice on the road, and I slipped and fell. I found the bike easy to pick up even as my boots were slipping on the ice. It always started on one crank, was comfortable on all sorts of roads, the engine was smooth and fuel efficient. It felt notably more nimble and easy to turn/lean than my erstwhile Himalayan. And there are tons of them here in Ladakh and it's easy to find spares, puncture shops, mechanics etc.

Given the option today, I'd pick it over the Himalayan. The off-road prowess of the Himalayan is not something I'd really be to exploit. The shop I rented from had an ADV 250 which I wanted to try, but it was out of commission because of a broken side stand, which was taking time to be delivered. As much as the KTMs seem fun, I wonder what happens if you break something small like a side stand in a relatively remote part of the country. Are you just consigned to waiting until you can obtain the part? For Enfields there are parts everywhere it seems.

This popped up in my YouTube view list. Review of Scam 411 by FortNine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3xppn2STXk

Scram is something that caught my attention as I am in process of bike hunting. Even though i wont be buying a bike till 2024 begins, I have been checking a few out.
This seems like a Himalayan for the City roads. But strangely I am not seeing as many on the road.

When the Himalayan was launched 7 years ago, the electronic city stretch used to be busy with a lot of Thumpers and Himalayans. I guess folks are sticking with Hunter and Classic Reborn for now.

Scram is just a skin deep, wheel swap job, 21 inch swapped out for 19inch, along with headlight change and new colours, that's it.

RE could have flattened the sub frame housing the seats and done so much more, instead they went the lazy, greedy route and with models like the Yezdi Scrambler nailing the scrambler look, the Scram 411 fails to look the part. This directly is reflecting in sales as people just don't believe that, Scram 411 is a Scrambler.

Hi Guys,
Need your expert oprinion to solve my confusion.

Midlle class mentatility is making me over think as the amount is a bit higher than i had initially planned to spend on a bike but heart wants what it wants :)

I have been planning to buy the Honda CB350 h'ness but keep contemplating if i should get the scram 411
In my test rides at RE i had ridden Meteor 350 - Scram 411 and Classic 350 one after the other and the one place where all these RE bikes excelled over the honda was the ability to ride at low speeds without changing gears.

Although my test rides were short and over a month back it felt that this would be a crucial decision for city driving.

Scram just had the extra punch which made my ride a lot fun - wasnt actively looking at this bike and just took the test ride for the heck of it but felt this was a really agressive but fun bike compared to the other 2 which encouraged me to take it easy - but this made me go woah lets go - if you know what i mean. Maybe its the riding posture i dont know need to go take another test ride.


My usage is mostly going to be 20-25 Kms a day home to office rides and weekend joy rides with the Mrs which would be 50-100 kms so roughly 150-175 kms max in a week.


Couple of reasons why i am still confused -
1) The lack of ownership reviews for the scram here has me worried
2) People calling it a wheel swap with himalayan and the engine now being 4 year old and ready for a upgrade etc ..
3) Honda's relaibility is something everyone keeps talking about over the RE - is it really that bad for RE bikes ? Considering this does not have the newest J series engine which i felt on the classic was as smooth as the honda - also I felt classic even though looks big was easily manouverable in traffic.
4) I am 5.7 ft in height and wanted to know if the seat in the long run would be an issue ?
5) Any other advice you experienced lot can give to my confused brain as i have been planning to get one from the past 40 days or so and would want to go this weekend and book the bike and get over the finsih line.

Cheers

FieryRed, if you enjoyed your test ride experience of the Scram 411, then go for it. I loved my test ride of the Scram 411 and if I didnt already have another Royal Enfield motorcycle in my garage, I probably would have bought this excellent motorcycle.

In essence, the Scram 411 gives buyers all the best parts of the Himalayan 411 (reliable workhorse engine, excellent ride quality) without any of the drawbacks of the Himalayan 411 (seating position can be too tall for some, higher center of gravity).

Coming to your questions
1. The number of happy BS6 Himalayan 411 owners should give you enough reason to eliminate all doubts.
2. The simple fact is that Royal Enfield has been tweaking the 411 engine in each iteration. This is about as good as it gets and hence, is the best time to get a motorcycle on the 411 platform. Also, the wheel swap from 21 inch (Himalayan) to 19 inch (Scram) makes the handling so much nicer for regular road users. Dont pay too much heed to those youtube influenzas who criticize motorcycles without knowing all that much....
3. Honda's reliability is its greatest asset but the CB350 has had its fair share of issues, many of which are documented on this forum. Its a good bike, no doubt about it, but many experienced riders will tell you that from a refinement perspective, the J series engine from Royal Enfield is superior to the Honda.
4. A friend of mine who is the same height, recently picked up the Scram 411. Go for the comfort seat if you decide to book the motorcycle.
5. I would only suggest that you get a small / large windscreen, for those weekend joy rides.

Long story short, the Scram 411 is a really solid motorcycle that is overshadowed by its more illustrious brother (the Himalayan 411) and its newer siblings from the Royal Enfield stable. For most riders with a use case similar to yours, I find that the Scram 411 is a better buy than many of the other motorcycles in the market at a similar price point.

Did you finally reach a decision?

I am in a similar situation where I have almost zeroed in on Scram 411. Now, I`m 5'5"- 5'6" and found myself very comfortable with the seat height. I couldn't flat foot when I put both my feet together, but I was not tip-toing either and felt very confident. I haven't measured by inseam length, but I don't really have long legs.

Sorry for the late response.

In my second test ride for scram i didnt get that feeling of refinement and smoothness in traffic (maybe a bad test ride vehicle or i was spoilt by honda's smoothness).
Since my usage was mostly city rides I went ahead and bought the Honda CB350 H'ness in late April for the long term durability - slipper clutch (which is something i cant live without now) and practicality as i wanted my wife to get used to riding regularly with me and take the plunge to go for longer rides which i am yet to do but i have managed to clock 3k kms in the past 2 months in and around delhi - gurgaon on shorter 50km joy rides :).

The pillion seat and the backrest from honda have been really encouraging for her to hop on every evening for a tea or coffee run.

Having said that I still feel scram is such a fun bike and my fav from the RE portfolio and if i had disposable income i would buy it for the punch it gave me when i first test rode it.
It brought out a desire to go off roading I have been itching to hire one some day and go offroading in the arravalis as this bike was easily manageable for riders with our height thanks to a shorter front wheel.

I havent had a chance to ride either KTM ADV or the expulse but scram just felt easy to ride how the honda felt to me especially since i was coming back to to regular riding after a break of 12 years.

I dont know what your shortlist is but i would suggest you test ride all of them back to back in the same day and if scram is what your heart wants - take the test ride of this first thing in the morning and then try others and then come back and take a test ride of this again and then take a call from the heart and not what anyone says ;)

And if you have bought the bike already do let us know what choice did you make and why

Cheers

According to a media report, Royal Enfield could launch a new scrambler-style motorcycle next year. The new model called 'Scram 440' is internally codenamed D4K.



The Royal Enfield Scram 440 is likely to be based on the upcoming 450cc platform. It could be powered by a 440cc engine derived from the 411cc unit that powers the Himalayan and Scram 411.

Reports suggest that the Scram 440 is likely to be positioned below the upcoming Himalayan 450. The future of the Scram 411, however, looks uncertain as we don't know if the new model will be sold alongside the more affordable scrambler.

Competition in the middleweight category has been hotting up lately. Harley-Davidson recently entered the fray with the X440, followed by Triumph with the Speed 400 and Scrambler 400X.

Source: Autocar India

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From what I know of this is going to be a liquid cooled engine and launch is planned in Q3, not 2024.

Seems another cat is out of the bag

Came across this article which claims that a Scram 440 is in the making which derives its engine from the existing 411cc mill and not the new liquid cooled 450cc which powers the next generation Himalayan.

News courtesy : Car&bike

Hi Neil, while I was going through few threads on RE Scram 411 I stumbled upon your reply. Encouraging to say the least. I am going to own a bike now post college and Karizma R. I test rode Scram 411, Yezdi Adventure etc. but somehow I am stuck on scram 411 inspite knowing that there will be an update very soon. I have noted every bit of info that you have mentioned and after taking into account the actual use of scram 411 I still have this one question- Should i own this in year 2024 and not being called the OG in few years lol: