Smaller power packed bikes

ravradha · 5th July 2007, 14:40

Wild thought. Why we don't have a bike in the market with the following specs:

Length, Width, Height - 1700 X 700 X 1000 mm
Weight - not more than 100 Kg
Power - 11 - 13 Bhp
Torque - 11 - 12 Nm at 3000 - 3500 rpm

Small and powerfull. Will suit the typical Indian, who is of average build.

I felt Rx100 was close to this. But do not know the exact specs.

Gregory · 6th July 2007, 00:29

WE have plenty of small bikes here in India, What we need are bikes that are 250CC + with atleast 2 cylinders.

BunnyPunia · 6th July 2007, 10:53

dachshund on two wheels

Rehaan · 7th July 2007, 08:32

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Originally Posted by BunnyPunia

dachshund on two wheels

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motorb...gts-bobby.html

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Rice_tuner · 7th July 2007, 08:46

the regular commuters are "small" enough for an avg indian..
instead of having 500cc single cyl engines and the types, we need multiple cyl setups...prolly like a twin for all the 200+ cc "motorized cycles"

chanapli · 7th July 2007, 09:29

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Originally Posted by ravradha

I felt Rx100 was close to this.

RX 1xx anytime the bike for me. coirect feel, size, power! what else you need ! . (electricals is poor though)

Sankar · 7th July 2007, 11:19

Yes RX series were good. But RX was NOT a commuter bike in it's day!! It was in the performance category. There were Ind-Suzuki's and CD100s for the mileage conscious commuters.

But now it's long overdue since India got it's share of technologically advanced and powerful four-strokes. Even though a single cylinder bike the P220 DTS FI is a move in the right direction. And a big thanks to the CBZ to have broken the tradition.

Now India needs bigger motorcycles, manufacturers need to work on launching 'affordable' performance bikes of the 'present' era in India. Like the RXs and Shoguns were in it's day.

powerslave12r · 9th July 2007, 05:39

The Apache 160 RTR seems to be of the type, although heavier, it's also more powerful. It makes as much power as the first Bajaj Pulsar 180.

We need more cylinders.

CrAzY dRiVeR · 9th July 2007, 08:18

The upcoming Bajaj sonic seems just the thing.

The small zippy 100cc two-stroke, it will (hopefully) bring back the two stroke era, with its two stroke fuel injection!

Ajaybiz · 9th July 2007, 09:59

I think a nicely ported RX with 30-35 BHP is very decent for this catagory.
RX135 or RXG with 5 speed setup goes upto 42 BHP and RXC (180) will pump more then 50 BHP if you do stage 3 porting.

Sankar · 9th July 2007, 10:31

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Originally Posted by Ajaybiz

I think a nicely ported RX with 30-35 BHP is very decent for this catagory.
RX135 or RXG with 5 speed setup goes upto 42 BHP and RXC (180) will pump more then 50 BHP if you do stage 3 porting.

With depleting oil resources and rising crude oil prices this wont be a wise step. And there is the reliability factor.

OT: Nobody has yet measured the actual power output of the RXC180 or the ported RX135 on a dyno. And 30-35 BHP from the RX100 and 42BHP from the RX135 makes interesting reading. More realistic power figures would be a max 26-28BHP (at the crank) for the RX135. Which is still good.

RD LC350 made around 45 BHP and RD YPVS350 made around 59 BHP. Do you think an aircooled 180 could make 50BHP reliably?

Ace_Racer · 9th July 2007, 10:36

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Originally Posted by Ajaybiz

I think a nicely ported RX with 30-35 BHP is very decent for this catagory.
RX135 or RXG with 5 speed setup goes upto 42 BHP and RXC (180) will pump more then 50 BHP if you do stage 3 porting.

Just would like to ask you is it really possible to produce over 30 BHP from a 100 or 135 CC engines, no offences but I m just asking because I don't have any knowledge on that

BunnyPunia · 9th July 2007, 11:22

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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

The upcoming Bajaj sonic seems just the thing.

The small zippy 100cc two-stroke, it will (hopefully) bring back the two stroke era, with its two stroke fuel injection!

isnt the sonic equipped with the 125cc disco engine? and as far i know, 2strokes wont be comin back due to emission norm thingy

Mayavi · 9th July 2007, 11:22

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Originally Posted by BunnyPunia

dachshund on two wheels

Aaaah old memories! My friend's father had this bike in blue color in pristine condition and he used to ride it occasionally when the scooter was not available. Zipping around town with three people sitting on it was so cool especially because we were only 15 and could easily fit.

Ajaybiz · 9th July 2007, 11:29

These high powered bikes are ported to stage 3 and only useful for drags and dirt bikings not reliable as stock one as engine life comes down to 2000-5000 KM max, these figures are on rear wheel not on cranck, google will show you the dyno results. Forget LC's and YVPS air cooled RD's have shown more then 80 BHP on rear wheel after stage 3 porting and expansion chambers with advance digital ignition system and some high end pistons(Prox, Wisecos), Long connecting rods, carbon fiber reeds with spacers, lockable clutch, big carbs with matching jets n filters blah blah.....

5th July 2007, 14:40	#1
ravradha BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 231 Thanked: 161 Times View My Garage	Smaller power packed bikes Wild thought. Why we don't have a bike in the market with the following specs: Length, Width, Height - 1700 X 700 X 1000 mm Weight - not more than 100 Kg Power - 11 - 13 Bhp Torque - 11 - 12 Nm at 3000 - 3500 rpm Small and powerfull. Will suit the typical Indian, who is of average build. I felt Rx100 was close to this. But do not know the exact specs.
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6th July 2007, 00:29	#2
Gregory BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 218 Thanked: Once	WE have plenty of small bikes here in India, What we need are bikes that are 250CC + with atleast 2 cylinders.
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6th July 2007, 10:53	#3
BunnyPunia BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 895 Thanked: 1,257 Times View My Garage	dachshund on two wheels
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7th July 2007, 08:46	#5
Rice_tuner BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: mumbai Posts: 144 Thanked: 15 Times	the regular commuters are "small" enough for an avg indian.. instead of having 500cc single cyl engines and the types, we need multiple cyl setups...prolly like a twin for all the 200+ cc "motorized cycles"
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7th July 2007, 11:19	#7
Sankar Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Location Posts: 5,766 Thanked: 9,053 Times	Yes RX series were good. But RX was NOT a commuter bike in it's day!! It was in the performance category. There were Ind-Suzuki's and CD100s for the mileage conscious commuters. But now it's long overdue since India got it's share of technologically advanced and powerful four-strokes. Even though a single cylinder bike the P220 DTS FI is a move in the right direction. And a big thanks to the CBZ to have broken the tradition. Now India needs bigger motorcycles, manufacturers need to work on launching 'affordable' performance bikes of the 'present' era in India. Like the RXs and Shoguns were in it's day.
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9th July 2007, 05:39	#8
powerslave12r BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 102 Thanked: Once	The Apache 160 RTR seems to be of the type, although heavier, it's also more powerful. It makes as much power as the first Bajaj Pulsar 180. We need more cylinders.
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9th July 2007, 08:18	#9
CrAzY dRiVeR Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore / TVM Posts: 17,174 Thanked: 73,463 Times View My Garage	The upcoming Bajaj sonic seems just the thing. The small zippy 100cc two-stroke, it will (hopefully) bring back the two stroke era, with its two stroke fuel injection!
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9th July 2007, 09:59	#10
Ajaybiz BANNED Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,440 Thanked: 320 Times View My Garage	I think a nicely ported RX with 30-35 BHP is very decent for this catagory. RX135 or RXG with 5 speed setup goes upto 42 BHP and RXC (180) will pump more then 50 BHP if you do stage 3 porting.
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9th July 2007, 11:29	#15
Ajaybiz BANNED Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,440 Thanked: 320 Times View My Garage	These high powered bikes are ported to stage 3 and only useful for drags and dirt bikings not reliable as stock one as engine life comes down to 2000-5000 KM max, these figures are on rear wheel not on cranck, google will show you the dyno results. Forget LC's and YVPS air cooled RD's have shown more then 80 BHP on rear wheel after stage 3 porting and expansion chambers with advance digital ignition system and some high end pistons(Prox, Wisecos), Long connecting rods, carbon fiber reeds with spacers, lockable clutch, big carbs with matching jets n filters blah blah.....
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