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Two-Stroke Touring | Lubrication, Functional & Practical Aspects | General Personal Experiences

“Ring-Ding-Ding.” The sonorous orchestra that tugs the heartstrings of one too many. Two-strokes are addictive. That’s a fact. A fact that can be attested by yet again, one too many. But regardless of whether our loyal steed is powered by a heart that beats in two cycles or four, one thing is certain that all of us can agree on. Our machines are just like us; Dying to see the world. Dying to explore. Dying to live.

It's officially 2023. For years on end, most of us have lived through times being spoon-fed (Force-fed) on the “fact” that “electricity is the future”, it’s time to “Go Green”, so on and so forth. Just like all spoon-fed children, I too would eventually turn into a rebellious teen. We’ve all been there once upon a time. “Ok, whatever”, stands my reply to most current trends regarding automotive propulsion, as I kick-start my 20-year-old two-stroke into life with the excited anticipation of the newest adventure about to unfold.

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My pride & joy. Suzanna.

It’s been almost over a decade and a half since the last two-stroke road-going motorcycle rolled off the assembly line in India. Thus, whatever we’re left with is a highly endangered species. One that deserves to be protected. “Why?”, you ask? Take one for a ride and you’ll know. Experience speaks things words cannot.

And that is the reason I’m writing this thread on two-strokes. Not my first and certainly not my last. So, without further ado, let’s jump right into the topic at hand. And yes, it’s exactly all that the title says!

Let’s come back to one of my earlier points. “Our machines are just like us. Dying to see the world. Dying to explore. Dying to live.” All this leads to one very specific aspect of motoring. Touring. Exploring the world on your machine, in simple terms. These days, “Touring” in the context of motorcycles makes us think of many things. Chief among them being two-wheeled convoys, all loaded up with luggage, mostly thumping their way to Ladakh. Maybe even Adventure Bikes, soaking up the rough terrain, yet feeling heavy, but firm, planted, and reassuring at the same time. Or even long baggers, cruising on the highway at tick-over, doing triple-digit speeds. But all these images in the mind ignore one harsh truth.

Once upon a time, we never really had all these in our country.

There were exceptions of course, but on the whole, it was a very different place to what it is now, in that regard.

But with what we did have though, we certainly lived with. And even flourished. All the experienced seniors reading this will know exactly what I’m on about. Once upon a time, there was no pretension. Machines were machines and we used them for what they were truly capable of. That’s why “Two-stroke Touring” never did capture the attention as a novelty that it captures today. Because once upon a time, it was normal. It was normal to take your 100 to 140cc (Or any cc for that matter) two-stroke and traverse long distances on it. Miles munched with little to no gear, and little to no digital assistance, yet with so much meaning within.

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There are countless stories of our people on their two-stroke motorcycles that have been swept away by the waves of time and forgotten, never to properly resurface again. And that’s exactly why I’m writing this. It’s an ode to all those miles. The miles that are our past. On which, the present we live today is built upon.

So, when it comes to two-strokes, touring as a possibility is a one hundred percent yes. And those words are my own from my own young, brief, yet adequate experiences. My first motorcycle is a 2 stroke, and I couldn’t be proud enough of her. At the time of writing this article, I’ve racked in just about 7000 kilometres on her under my ownership since I got her earlier this year. And a lot of those kilometres were small tour kilometres. As I sit, writing this down, the time is 19:16. It’s the 28th of December, 2022. Just a couple of hours back, I had returned home after a 200 kilometre trip with my friends. Sure, this is nothing besides some proper long-distance tours, but it was more than enough for me to put my inspiration on paper for you, the enthusiast.

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The two-stroke powerband is one so unique. It’s never truly linear, but always exciting. Right when you think it's gonna run out of puff is when it starts pulling even harder. Two-strokes love to be revved and deliver most of the smiles they can under higher revs. For the purposes of touring, this quality doesn’t sound good on paper, but in practice, it actually works wonders. Touring on a two-stroke is an experience to behold. You never ever end up feeling bored and settling into a predictable rhythm. No. On a two-stroke, the sound and the feel energizes you and simply makes you keep going on and on.

Some 2 strokes are more rev happy and some like to settle into the revs more. My Max 100 is an example leaning more towards the latter, although rev-happiness is also part and parcel. As a result, it settles into a cruise very easily, but keeps me entertained throughout.

The general rule of thumb here is to gently vary the throttle input slightly, but constantly throughout the journey, while maintaining the cruise at around the spot when the engine starts to enter its powerband and you can feel the essence of it. This spot changes depending on your bike. You can also do higher bursts of speed at occasion. Ignore the tachometer for once if your bike has one and just ride it with your ear to truly feel what’s best for your motorcycle.

Never keep letting go of the throttle abruptly while touring. That may work for Motocross and Enduro two-strokes, but not always for our street bikes. A few moments of fun are totally fine, but on a tour, you want your motorcycle to be as unstressed as possible, because here, it’s all about endurance. Accelerate and decelerate more gradually while touring and your engine will thank you for it. This is because two-strokes rely on the oil mixed in the petrol to lubricate its crankcase internals, and sudden closes of the throttle can momentarily starve it of much-needed lubrication, especially on high-speed touring circumstances.

Speaking of which, I personally would recommend you to start pre-mixing oil in the fuel tank with the petrol if your two-stroke has an oil pump and an external oil tank. There are many reasons for this. In most cases, the oil pump is a reliable unit. For example, my Dad used to use the oil pump always on his RX 100 and never once pre-mixed fuel and oil in the tank. He owned his bike from brand new and till he sold it, it never had a single issue. That is the best-case scenario.

This means there is also a worst-case scenario associated with this. If the oil pump fails, it’ll fail so abruptly and so suddenly that in many cases, you won’t realise it until it’s too late and you’re looking at a re-bore, re-sleeve or a new block piston kit altogether. Not to forget to mention, any crank work if required. This is a big issue if you’re touring and you’re in the middle of nowhere and the oil pump decides to conk out.

My humble suggestion is to skip the oil pump and mix oil in the fuel directly. This way, you completely eliminate any worry of the oil pump failing. After all, the oil pump does the exact same thing, just with more complexity and scope for failure. Pump oil into the carburettor where it mixes with the fuel. If you pre-mix, you skip this process without any negative outcomes.

There’s more as well. By pre-mixing, you get more control over your oil-fuel ratio. This is useful when you’re touring. If you want your two-stroke to sustain long periods of high RPMs, you have to increase the oil in the pre-mix ratio. You can’t effectively do this with the pump. Sure, the pump is adjustable, but nothing like pre-mixing in the ratio you want because you know what’s best for your bike.

Speaking of ratios, again, it differs from bike to bike (Or even scooters for that matter). My experience is limited to my Max 100, so for this one, I’d suggest a pre-mix ratio of 40 ml per litre of petrol for city riding and commuting and 70 ml per litre of petrol for higher-speed runs and touring. While this itself may seem to be quite a lot to many, experience has taught me this is the right combination specifically for my bike. Always remember at the end of the day, when it comes to pre-mixes, more oil is always better than less.

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And speaking of 2T oil, let’s talk about brands (Zero endorsement or paid sponsorships. Just my personal experiences being shared). My experience at the moment is limited to just 4 brands and their products. Elf Moto 2 Champ 2T, Shell Advance VSX, Castrol Go! 2T, & Bharath Petroleum’s Mak 2T. Have always wanted to try Motul’s Motomix 2T, but have never been able to find it in the stores. Maybe I’ll purchase it online one day and test it out. When it comes to these brands, there certainly are differences in quality and you’ll feel it when you use them. So far, the Shell is objectively the best 2T oil I have ever used. My engine is the happiest with it. By happiest, I mean the smoothest and smoking the least while also producing lesser noise. Elf comes a very close second, but I usually favour Elf over Shell for some other reasons. Castrol and Mak seem to feel very similar, and those are fine in a pinch.

As for loose 2T oil that you can find in some fuel stations, don’t go for those unless you are left with no other choice and are in an emergency. I say this because I used to regularly fill my tank up with that stuff, until one fine day when I learnt my lesson. They remind me of the oil pump. Everything’s fine until it isn’t. I used to use that oil for a while until one fine day, the oil nearly ruined a trip I had planned with my friend. Let’s talk about that.

It was the 8th of September, 2022. It was Onam, so had to be back home before 12 noon sharp. So, Mohan and I set off from Chennai on a quick run to Mahabalipuram. Accompanying me on my Max 100 was Mohan on his Classic 350 (The carburetted one with kickstart. The best UCE combination, in my opinion). I just had my breakfast, got ready and set off to my usual fuel station where I filled her up with 5 litres of petrol and the aforementioned oil in pre-mix form like I usually do. Also filled nitrogen in the tyres. While leaving, I forgot to turn the fuel petcock on, so naturally, after a couple of hundred meters, the engine cut out. I pulled over and noticed the petcock was off, so I put it in main, kicked it a couple of times and she roared to life.

Then, I noticed something very odd. She would move for a few inches after which the engine felt like it was bogging down and would simply cut out. This happened 3 times before I realized it was either the fuel or the oil that was causing this because the couple hundred metres she ran with the petcock closed with the oil-fuel mix from the previous fill-up, as well as the brief trip from my home to the pump, she ran perfectly fine.

I thought I would have to drain the tank and fill her up fresh again, but then, I noticed something. Whenever I held the choke actuated, she would run normally. When I disengaged the choke to ride normally, she would keep bogging down. This made me conclude it was the oil that was at fault and not the petrol. So, I applied this newfound discovery and used it to prevent any delays or worse, cancellation of the trip. I held the choke wide open with my thumb (The Max 100 has a spring-actuated remote choke on the LHS switchgear that has to be manually held in place to be actuated) and rode her to Mohan’s place about 5 kilometres away.

Since she ran fine with the choke engaged, I concluded that the mixture must be made rich for her to run normally (As that’s what the choke does). So, once I reached Mohan’s place, I got my screwdriver and increased the idle slightly. Then, I loosened the air screw to make the mixture rich. Once we started moving, I would stop on occasion to adjust the mixture to make the bike run as smoothly as possible because even with the air screw loosened fully, she was still not able to run without the choke being actuated.

Thus, that’s the story of how I made it to Mahabalipuram and back to Chennai with the choke pressed against my thumb the entire time. My thumb got a proper workout that day. There was no drop in performance for the most part while going to Mahabalipuram and we cruised, maintaining speeds of 60-80 kph.

Mahabalipuram is always a fun & popular destination to visit. A little retreat, with the emphasis on “treat”

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En Route

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The Pancha Rathas (The Five Chariots)

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Mahabalipuram Light House

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Krishna Mandapam

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Descent of the Ganges, Arjuna’s Penance

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“Practise Panel near Arjuna’s Penance”, according to Wikipedia

“Wakey Wakey!” Let this not turn into a travelogue. I’ll do a proper travelogue thread later on!

While returning, I noticed she suddenly started behaving a bit erratically and there was a new jerkiness that would pop out randomly here and there. When I had a look at the carb, I understood why. I had accidentally loosened the air screw so much that it had popped out while on the journey and was now long gone. So, my bike was running without an air screw now.

Luckily, I still had my old original MikCarb carburettor with me at home. This one was a Ucal I had replaced it with since the original one started giving troubles that kept on resurfacing. We did manage to reach home on time as planned with no hiccups other than slightly jerky acceleration. Later that evening, I removed the air screw from the old carb and put it in the place of the missing air screw on the one on my bike. Then, I used a bootlace to tie the choke lever firmly in place the whole time to give my thumb a break. I rode my bike like this for a week or so till all the fuel got almost dry.

When I filled in fresh fuel and oil afterwards, the whole problem got solved. After a carb tune-up, she was back to how she had always used to be and was singing as sweetly as ever. Lesson learnt.

From then on, I changed my regular fuel station to another trustworthy one and always purchased my own 2T oil. Branded ones properly packed in sealed containers. The 500ml bottles. They are compact enough to be easily carried on both commutes and tours, but large enough in quantity to serve you for a lot of miles. I also found out that this route is in fact, cheaper in the long run as well. Not only that, but also you can purchase as many bottles as you’d need on a trip and carry them with you and never worry about the availability of 2T oil while you travel far. A true win-win.

If your fuel station offers branded 2T oil that is contained in sachets, then I suppose there’s no harm in that as well. But loose 2T oil is a no-no. Don’t ever risk it. Especially if you’re touring.

I’ll make an entire thread about 2T Oil including comprehensive tests of different kinds of 2T oil in the future.

When it comes to spares you have to carry with you on trips, there are only 4 that come to my mind when it comes to the Max 100. A spark plug, a clutch cable, a throttle cable, and a spare tube. Also, some basic tools like a spark plug spanner, a spanner set and a screwdriver. This will keep you safe on most journeys.

Spark plugs may be prone to fouling on 2T motorcycles, especially when we use higher quantities of oil. But this itself is highly rare and again is just like the oil pump. Mostly reliable, until it isn’t. Just carry a spare spark plug and a plug spanner with you just to be safe.

As for the clutch cable, these are prone to snapping with age and again, do it unexpectedly. My first experience of this happened recently while at a traffic light when I was returning home from college. The lights had gone green when I pulled in the clutch lever and engaged first gear when it simply snapped and the lever became free moving, stalling the engine. I knocked her back to neutral, got off and moved her to the side of the road. Fortunately, this happened just about 800 metres from my mechanic’s place. So, I walked her to my mechanic who replaced the cable at once. I have carried a spare one ever since. This also applies to the throttle cable. Mine hasn’t caused any issues yet, but always better to be safe than sorry, especially while touring when you may find it hard to find spares for older motorcycles like these.

As for the tube, I had to learn that the hard way as well. I was convoying with my friend who was on his motorcycle. We were going somewhere for a college project when a long and thin nail decided to puncture my rear tyre. I suddenly noticed the loss of pickup and speed and then felt this periodic wobbliness. Pulled over and saw the tyre had gone completely flat. Mind you, this is my bike with spoked wheels and tubed tyres. So, we rode very slowly at about 10 km/h till we, fortunately, found a puncture shop about 2 kilometres away and got the tube replaced rather than patched. If your motorcycle has alloys and tubeless tyres, then this may not apply, but for those who have classic spoked wheels, this most certainly does. Carry a spare tube with you just in case when on a tour. Never push your luck unnecessarily.

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The first ever puncture.

Another item you can optionally carry are petrol pipes. I haven’t been doing it so far as the pipes are usually very reliable and rarely leak or require changing, but you can carry it along with some scissors to cut if if you want to.

Let’s talk about stability and rideability. The Max 100 has a single cradle chassis and a kerb weight of just under 100 kgs. It really is a featherweight. And of course, it’s a street motorcycle and a commuter with no fancy fairings or windshields. Just the essentials. And there’s this beautiful simplicity to it. Surprisingly enough, it’s fairly stable for what it is. In fact, it’s even more stable at an 80 kmph cruise on the highway than my uncle’s Honda CB Shine I learnt riding on. It’s a unique characteristic. Being light while also being reasonably stable. Of course, having a pillion does make it slightly more unwieldy, but nothing unmanageable really at all. It does have some vibes, but that is a result of my engine’s below-average condition. But even those are not that much to cause complaints at all. The mill is in general, a silky smooth and highly efficient unit for being a two-stroke and a twenty-year-old one at that.

The brakes are drums all around, but those are effective enough. I’ve never really felt they were inadequate in both the city and the highway. The back brake is the one that’ll be used most with the front brake pitching in as more of a stabilizer. The front brake on its own is admittedly quite weak though. I may upgrade the front to a disc setup in the future.

The lighting on the other hand is a Greek tragedy. I’ve heard many times on this forum itself that the Max 100’s beam used to be one of the best in its class at that time, I don’t know if it’s my bike, but if this was the best they had at that time, then that doesn’t really say much for the others. Not much of “lighting” then, eh? It’s not completely useless, but does only the bare minimum. This is one that desperately deserves an upgrade. Fortunately, there are upgrades and I look forward to them in the future.

Since this thread is also supposed to be about the functional and practical aspects of two-strokes, let’s talk about “Kitna Deti Hai?” While this question gets quite a bad rap among enthusiasts, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. In fact, I think it’s wise. When you’re riding or touring on an older motorcycle with no fuel gauge, you better know its mileage and range if you don’t want to get stranded. What’s more, knowing this helps you to budget your finances more effectively, especially when you ride so much. The answer to that question is, “Your mileage might vary”, depending on the condition of your motorcycle.

My bike gives me a very consistent 40 kmpl under the most aggressive riding conditions and gives 50 kmpl when ridden gently. These are city figures. Highway cruises generally give even more, but I haven’t properly measured it as of now. But during the last trip I took, the rough estimate is 55. But I won’t be surprised if it was even more. The Max 100, the AX 100 (The R version) and the Samurai (These three share the exact same mechanicals and engine port map) are in actuality, supposed to give anywhere between 55-65 kmpl in general if their condition is pristine and they’re well-tuned. Who said two-stroke has to mean inefficient? I don’t see much difference in what most modern commuters deliver compared to this. In fact, those are usually worse off as they age.

The Max 100 has a fuel tank capacity of 12 Litres, with 10 litres main and 2 litres reserve, giving me a realistic range of roughly 450 Kms minimum when the tank is about full, depending on the riding conditions and riding style. Not bad, I’d say. In fact, when I went to Pondicherry, I had done a full tank before going. After returning, I rode my bike for a full week on my daily commute just like that till it got over eventually. It's surprisingly efficient. And this was a trip with a pillion as well. It was a wonderful experience. Check it out if you haven’t.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motor...max-100-a.html (A fun 2-Stroke road-trip with a friend | Chennai to Pondicherry on my Max 100)

Not just two-strokes, but all engines do well when given periodic breaks while riding. But since all road-going two-strokes ever sold in India are air-cooled and since two-stroke engines in general have more power strokes than four-strokes, they certainly do require breaks while on tours. My formula is simple. For every hour of touring, I ride for 50 minutes and take a break of 10 minutes. This is good for both the motorcycle as well as for us, as it reduces riding fatigue to the absolute bare minimum as in those 10 minutes, you have enough time for relaxing, walking about and having a good stretch. Trust me, keep doing this consistently while on long trips and both the engine and your body will be eternally grateful for it.

As for touring luggage setups, I’ll do an entire thread dedicated just to that. As for now, I haven’t really done a tour wherein my Studds side box hasn’t been sufficient. And my motorcycle is mostly bone stock with only a few cosmetic changes.

The next question when it comes to two-strokes leads us back to the second paragraph of this post. Namely, how environmentally friendly or unfriendly they are. Again, this deserves a separate thread of its own, but let me attach an extract of the results of my PUC (Pollution Under Control) Certificate and let you be the judge yourself. Mind you, my bike’s engine isn’t in particularly good condition, so if this is the case now, imagine the results if I get my engine properly re-worked.

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This means re-registration and keeping it road-legal isn’t really a hassle as long as you take good care of your steed and never miss a single FC Test once every 5 years since the first expiry. While they have increased the rates, it still isn’t really that expensive to do and shouldn’t serve as a mental block for any enthusiast looking forwards to two-stroke ownership. In fact, I bought my bike in 2022 with the FC expired in 2017 itself (15 years from its original manufacturing and registration in 2002), and got her re-registered in March this year. If I, a college student on a tight budget could do it, I don’t see how anyone else couldn’t, as long as you’re truly an enthusiast and serious about the ownership journey.

Always keep the documents of your motorcycle with you while both commuting as well as touring. Keep them always updated. It makes more financial sense not to waste money on the small cumulative penalties for expired registration during the re-registration process. One of our duties as enthusiasts is not just to preserve our classic machines, but also to keep them road legal. Apart from the RC Book or Smart Card, you need your insurance copy, your driving license and a PUC Certificate. This ensures that in case you get pulled over by the traffic police, you can present your documents immediately and carry on with your journey with no trouble. It’s all for following the rules and having peace of mind, so you can focus on enjoying your adventures fully.

With that out of the way, let’s talk about one simple aspect of motorcycling in general. At the end of the day, it’s all about the bond we share with our bike. We want our bikes to be trustworthy and never give up on us. And two-strokes are like that. Their inherent simplicity blesses them with a surprising amount of reliability in relation to how old some of these machines can be. This is a healthy relationship one can have with one’s motorcycle. I mean no offence to some folks, but I notice how some enthusiasts romanticize their machine’s unreliability and temperaments, and although I truly do understand where all that comes from, I personally prefer trustworthiness, and that’s exactly what I have found so far in my little 100cc two-stroke built twenty years ago. The exact same age as me. The exact same year as my very own birth. 2002.

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And that’s a truly special connection you don’t find all too easily. To this day, I never have a second thought when it comes to getting onto my machine and simply doing a 100-kilometre run just like that, completely unplanned. She absolutely always fires up with a roar on the second kick when cold and on the first kick when warmed up. That’s a quality I cherish in her and always count on, especially whenever we both travel outside the great old city, with lush, green delights welcoming us and the infinite vastness of the open sky edging us to keep moving forward on and on and on.

So, the final question. Why did I spend so much time writing down all of this at this period of history, and why would I spend even more time writing even more stuff related to all this in the upcoming future? Well, in simple words, it’s a compilation of my personal experiences to help those starting out, however few in number they may be. We all start out as newbies always and require whatever guidance and help that can be gotten to progress. I wouldn’t be where I am without the guidance I received from my friend while starting out as well as all the online sources that helped and encouraged me. This is my contribution to help out those new to this and to encourage the preservation of our beloved two-strokes and classic motor vehicles in general.

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I humbly request all those reading this, especially our highly knowledgeable seniors, to pitch in with their experiences as well and suggest corrections or improvements wherever possible.

Thank you for reading. Hope this helps. And with that, it’s time to conclude what was an amazing year. Hope this new year brings you many new adventures to look forward to. Cheers and happy riding!

A.
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Beautiful post. Read it at one go. I am hoping you will treat us with regular posts on your 2-wheeled beauty.

Old 2-strokes were truly addictive with their vicious power delivery and simple maintenance. They were and still are excellent learning platform for those who want to be grease-monkeys. However, touring on them requires a lot of gut, since we are spoilt nowadays with rider aids and sophisticated chassis/ suspension/ engine setup. Living with such old bikes truly hones your riding skills.

Hope you enjoy her company for a long time.
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You can try this: https://www.husqvarna.com/in/fuel-an...stroke-oil-hp/

Currently the best 2T oil you can get in India. Yes, I know it's for Chainsaws, etc, but it will work very well on your bike. I use it in my Rotax 503.
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You can try this: https://www.husqvarna.com/in/fuel-an...stroke-oil-hp/

Currently the best 2T oil you can get in India. Yes, I know it's for Chainsaws, etc, but it will work very well on your bike. I use it in my Rotax 503.
Hi Mura, apologies for my ignorance but what is Rotax 503?

Google shows aircraft engine.

Where do you use this?
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Hi Mura, apologies for my ignorance but what is Rotax 503?

Google shows aircraft engine.

Where do you use this?
Off-topic:

Yes, they are also aircraft engines but mine came off a snowmobile and its currently on a Go-kart!
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Nicely articulated write-up! Enjoyed reading it thoroughly!!

Consider yourself lucky that you get to ride these 2 stroke beauties in 2023! I only have faint memories of experiencing exactly what you have written so succinctly. We had the Suzuki Shaolin, Samurai and the RX135 in my elder brother's friend's circle 20 years ago

Do keep posting your experiences on this thread, this is going to become extremely valuable in the years to come.

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I've toured extensively on my Max100, and it is one bike that I never hesitate to pick up the keys to, no matter where I have to go. Always starts in one kick (with the choke pulled) even in the dead of winter, and that's saying something.
In Bangalore, I would mix 40ml of 2T oil to a litre of petrol, but as time went buy and I understood my bike more, I began mixing 30ml to a litre and it runs great without much smoke. When I hit the highway, I mix 40ml to a litre.
I carry absolutely nothing extra when I hit the highway for the weekend rides, but on my failed Bangalore to Calcutta trip I carried a spark plug, plug spanner and a spare tube with me. Actually ended up using the tube when I suffered a puncture in the middle of nowhere.
I've never had the clutch cable failing on mine, though. Before I brought my bike away from Bangalore, I got it fully serviced with new cables, new chain and sprocket, a new carb, a new CDI and ignition coil, a new wiring kit, and almost everything that you can think of. This is to ensure that the bike runs reliably for the next 5 years with minimal maintenance (just lubing and adjusting the chain, replacing the gear oil, air filter, etc. at home). The bike will get serviced again when I take it to Bangalore in 2027 for FC, and I'm pretty sure it'll give no issues till then.

Interesting that you mentioned about not using engine braking on 2 strokes. Most people who ride normal bikes don't know this, hence I'm always apprehensive about letting people ride my bike.

Adding 2 photos from its last highway run a couple of Sundays ago:

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Thanks for this marvellous write up. My experience with two strokes is extensive but dated. In my teens we had mopeds and most were two strokes of course.

But in the 1969s in Europe there were still a few 2stroke engine car as well. My dad owned several DKW, all two stroke. We used to drive to Germany for our annual summer holiday with the whole family. My parents, my three sisters and me all crammed into the tiny DKW. The biggest problem in Germany were mountains Not so much going up them, but going down! Being two stroke you had to step on the accelerator constantly to keep the engine lubricated! Barreling down a steep mountain with the whole family in a car with four marginal at best drum brakes and the need to step on the accelerator going downhill was quite the experience.

Of course, the two stroke engines still reigns in maritime applications! The largest diesel engines in the world are still two stroke! 3-4 stories high.

The two stroke Wartsial-Sulzer RTA96C produces a staggering 107000BHP!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wärtsilä-Sulzer_RTA96-C

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For every hour of touring, I ride for 50 minutes and take a break of 10 minutes. This is good for both the motorcycle as well as for us,...trust me, keep doing this consistently while on long trips and both the engine and your body will be eternally grateful for it.
Pretty useless and time consuming. It also breaks the rhythm of driving. If and when engine overheats you will know with drop in power which happens rarely. Use of good and adequate 2T is enough for long drives. Stop when your body says so. Instead of time bound stoppage always aim for next stop point while driving. With time bound driving people generally set a distance to cover i.e the amount of kilometres to cover which often leads to fast driving.

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I’d suggest a pre-mix ratio of 40 ml per litre of petrol for city riding and commuting and 70 ml per litre of petrol for higher-speed runs and touring. While this itself may seem to be quite a lot to many, experience has taught me this is the right combination specifically for my bike. Always remember at the end of the day, when it comes to pre-mixes, more oil is always better than less.
You are mixing too much 2T and it will harm pistons and block. You will have to upsize the rings. The spark plug will fail more and cold start will be a problem. I would suggest to not mix than 40ml/litre for high revving/touring and 30ml for city, even 20ml/litre is fine. What main jet size are you using in carburetor? High 2T mixture will effectively ruin the jet.

The purpose of 2T tank is to hold the oil because there is no effective way to carry the bottle of your choice in motorcycles unlike scooters. If you prefer it directly in tank ensure that you put 2T before filling in petrol to ensure better mix.

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A spark plug, a clutch cable, a throttle cable, and a spare tube. Also, some basic tools like a spark plug spanner, a spanner set and a screwdriver. This will keep you safe on most journeys.Spark plugs may be prone to fouling on 2T motorcycles, especially when we use higher quantities of oil.
Your clutch wire broke, it is a very rare occurrence in motorcycles unlike scooters. You didn't notice any foul play before that? Change your clutch lever to original one or oem, very high chance that it is an after market one. Carry a safety pin to clean spark plug, it is more than enough. If you are cleaning your spark plugs fortnightly or say every 400kms , then your engine will need a rebuild sooner than expected. Tyre tube patching is nothing new and not to be worried about, don't go changing tubes after every puncture.
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I have owned three two strokes. Ind-Suzuki AX 100, Kawasaki Bajaj KB 100 and the Shogun in the past. There was another advantage to premix oil instead of 2T oil pump. To prevent or mitigate rusting inside the tank. But it had to be done when the bike was new, not after rusting commenced. So many guys started using premix oil from day one. I have known guys who did it even for Bullets because of the tank rusting issue.

It is always better to replace all cables, especially clutch cable, in even modern bikes once a year to minimize the risk of nasty surprises.

I have ridden my Splendor 4-5 km a couple of times after the clutch cable snapped. Start the bike, gain some momentum by using the feet and then engage first gear, bike will start running after a little jerk. At approximately the right speed which we all know by experience, engage second gear and then third. But no more. We can proceed steadily. Wherever traffic begins to crawl switch off and push. After crossing the spot repeat the procedure. After a couple of such occasions, I began to replace all cables once a year however good they are.
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Beautiful post. Read it at one go. I am hoping you will treat us with regular posts on your 2-wheeled beauty.

Old 2-strokes were truly addictive with their vicious power delivery and simple maintenance. They were and still are excellent learning platform for those who want to be grease-monkeys. However, touring on them requires a lot of gut, since we are spoilt nowadays with rider aids and sophisticated chassis/ suspension/ engine setup. Living with such old bikes truly hones your riding skills.

Hope you enjoy her company for a long time.
Thank you so much! Will absolutely continue doing so.

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You can try this: https://www.husqvarna.com/in/fuel-an...stroke-oil-hp/

Currently the best 2T oil you can get in India. Yes, I know it's for Chainsaws, etc, but it will work very well on your bike. I use it in my Rotax 503.
Thank you for the suggestion. Will look into it!

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Nicely articulated write-up! Enjoyed reading it thoroughly!!

Consider yourself lucky that you get to ride these 2 stroke beauties in 2023! I only have faint memories of experiencing exactly what you have written so succinctly. We had the Suzuki Shaolin, Samurai and the RX135 in my elder brother's friend's circle 20 years ago

Do keep posting your experiences on this thread, this is going to become extremely valuable in the years to come.
Thank you! Yes, I invested so much time, money & energy into her for that very same reason. To never regret potentially missing out on the two-stroke experience in the future. So far, one of the best decisions I’ve made, however impractical it may have been. Will keep updating with new posts and threads for sure!

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I've toured extensively on my Max100, and it is one bike that I never hesitate to pick up the keys to, no matter where I have to go. Always starts in one kick (with the choke pulled) even in the dead of winter, and that's saying something.

In Bangalore, I would mix 40ml of 2T oil to a litre of petrol, but as time went buy and I understood my bike more, I began mixing 30ml to a litre and it runs great without much smoke. When I hit the highway, I mix 40ml to a litre.

I carry absolutely nothing extra when I hit the highway for the weekend rides, but on my failed Bangalore to Calcutta trip I carried a spark plug, plug spanner and a spare tube with me. Actually ended up using the tube when I suffered a puncture in the middle of nowhere.

I've never had the clutch cable failing on mine, though. Before I brought my bike away from Bangalore, I got it fully serviced with new cables, new chain and sprocket, a new carb, a new CDI and ignition coil, a new wiring kit, and almost everything that you can think of. This is to ensure that the bike runs reliably for the next 5 years with minimal maintenance (just lubing and adjusting the chain, replacing the gear oil, air filter, etc. at home). The bike will get serviced again when I take it to Bangalore in 2027 for FC, and I'm pretty sure it'll give no issues till then.

Interesting that you mentioned about not using engine braking on 2 strokes. Most people who ride normal bikes don't know this, hence I'm always apprehensive about letting people ride my bike.

Adding 2 photos from its last highway run a couple of Sundays ago:

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She’s looking sharp! The new stickering theme is so retro-cool. Way, way better than the stock Max 100 stickering (Same reason why I completely removed the stickers on mine and enjoy the plain look). Just one small suggestion. Try removing just the “AX 100 R” lettering part of the stickering on the side panels, or if possible, try to get an “M” sticker printed in the same type of font and colour and attach it before the “AX” to get a more accurate portrayal of the model while also maintaining the aesthetic.

You can also try stock Max 100 mirrors (The rectangular black plastic ones with the shiny chrome stem). They offer so much visibility and suit the bike well aesthetically. I myself have recently switched back to stock from chrome Royal Enfield mirrors for that reason.

Your pre-mix ratio can work well on an engine in immaculate condition. Hope these are pure pre-mix figures and not in conjunction with the oil pump. Anyways, after I rebuild my engine, I’ll post more updates on pre-mix ratios.
And yes, engine braking is most certainly a no-no here. Just popping the clutch in those situations works. Rev-matching is also an important skill to learn for two strokes specifically.

P.S, Group rides where you’re the only one on a two-stroke are a lot of fun!


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Thanks for this marvellous write up. My experience with two strokes is extensive but dated. In my teens we had mopeds and most were two strokes of course.

But in the 1969s in Europe there were still a few 2stroke engine car as well. My dad owned several DKW, all two stroke. We used to drive to Germany for our annual summer holiday with the whole family. My parents, my three sisters and me all crammed into the tiny DKW. The biggest problem in Germany were mountains Not so much going up them, but going down! Being two stroke you had to step on the accelerator constantly to keep the engine lubricated! Barreling down a steep mountain with the whole family in a car with four marginal at best drum brakes and the need to step on the accelerator going downhill was quite the experience.

Of course, the two stroke engines still reigns in maritime applications! The largest diesel engines in the world are still two stroke! 3-4 stories high.

The two stroke Wartsial-Sulzer RTA96C produces a staggering 107000BHP!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wärtsilä-Sulzer_RTA96-C

Jeroen
Thank you so much! Would be quite an experience driving or having a ride in a two-stroke car. Unfortunately we never really seemed to have had anything like that in India on a larger scale for us to experience it. But overall, two-stroke engines are a match made in heaven when it comes to motorcycles, is my opinion! For going downhill, holding the clutch engaged should suffice and for want of more speed in that circumstance, naturally the extra throttle will compensate enough. Its funny how in those cases of maritime applications specifically, the two-stroke is used as function is more important than seeming consequences which is compensated by other benefits (If you get what I mean). Those huge engines are really a marvel of ability and progress for mankind.

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Pretty useless and time consuming. It also breaks the rhythm of driving. If and when engine overheats you will know with drop in power which happens rarely. Use of good and adequate 2T is enough for long drives. Stop when your body says so. Instead of time bound stoppage always aim for next stop point while driving. With time bound driving people generally set a distance to cover i.e the amount of kilometres to cover which often leads to fast driving.



You are mixing too much 2T and it will harm pistons and block. You will have to upsize the rings. The spark plug will fail more and cold start will be a problem. I would suggest to not mix than 40ml/litre for high revving/touring and 30ml for city, even 20ml/litre is fine. What main jet size are you using in carburetor? High 2T mixture will effectively ruin the jet.

The purpose of 2T tank is to hold the oil because there is no effective way to carry the bottle of your choice in motorcycles unlike scooters. If you prefer it directly in tank ensure that you put 2T before filling in petrol to ensure better mix.



Your clutch wire broke, it is a very rare occurrence in motorcycles unlike scooters. You didn't notice any foul play before that? Change your clutch lever to original one or oem, very high chance that it is an after market one. Carry a safety pin to clean spark plug, it is more than enough. If you are cleaning your spark plugs fortnightly or say every 400kms , then your engine will need a rebuild sooner than expected. Tyre tube patching is nothing new and not to be worried about, don't go changing tubes after every puncture.
Rhythm is all in the head, is what I’d say. And just like with anything else in the head, we can voluntarily control it. We really shouldn’t be stressing the engine to the point where we feel loss of power. This may have been fine once upon a time when these machines were new, but now, they are aged, and just like equivalent people, have to be treated considerately. This is also because of the quality of a lot of spares we find these days and having zero factory support from the manufacturer. On a new machine (Especially tour friendly higher cc ones), we can do all that you say, but for classic machines, we gotta be gentler with them. Also, those who lack patience with their machines are better suited to modern machines and not classic ones.

The more worn out an engine is, the more oil it requires. After a rebuild, I’ll go with the ratio you suggest. Not sure of the main jet’s size though. Carb is stock brand new Ucal, purchased & installed around March last year.
I carry the 2T oil bottle in the side box. No hassles whatsoever. Not risking it with the pump again, no.

No foul play whatsoever before it snapped. Happened all of a sudden. Don’t know if it was OEM or aftermarket though. Have never had to clean the plug so far, so I guess it's going well. Will carry the pin as you say. Changed the tube at that time because the puncture shop person’s prices were such that the difference was only about 50 /- or so. So I thought why not.

Thank you for the detailed reply!


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I have owned three two strokes. Ind-Suzuki AX 100, Kawasaki Bajaj KB 100 and the Shogun in the past. There was another advantage to premix oil instead of 2T oil pump. To prevent or mitigate rusting inside the tank. But it had to be done when the bike was new, not after rusting commenced. So many guys started using premix oil from day one. I have known guys who did it even for Bullets because of the tank rusting issue.

It is always better to replace all cables, especially clutch cable, in even modern bikes once a year to minimize the risk of nasty surprises.

I have ridden my Splendor 4-5 km a couple of times after the clutch cable snapped. Start the bike, gain some momentum by using the feet and then engage first gear, bike will start running after a little jerk. At approximately the right speed which we all know by experience, engage second gear and then third. But no more. We can proceed steadily. Wherever traffic begins to crawl switch off and push. After crossing the spot repeat the procedure. After a couple of such occasions, I began to replace all cables once a year however good they are.
That’s a fine history of two-stroke ownership! Was quite close to getting an AX and a KB myself, but fate had other plans and I’m perfectly happy with the way things have turned out. The Shogun is a beast though! And you’re absolutely right, the oil does lightly coat the tank enough to prevent rusting. Forgot to mention that part. Glad you have. As for the Bullets, from what I heard, they sometimes used to pre-mix a little oil (I guess it's engine oil) for long journeys. Found it quite funny when I heard of it for the first time (Might as well, have gotten a two-stroke )

That's actually a good technique, but I'd assume quite a pain in the good old traffic-crammed roads of the great city. But in such situations, we really are left with no other choices, I guess. And also I'll do the annual replacement of cables like you suggest. Thank you for sharing!
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She’s looking sharp! The new stickering theme is so retro-cool. Way, way better than the stock Max 100 stickering (Same reason why I completely removed the stickers on mine and enjoy the plain look). Just one small suggestion. Try removing just the “AX 100 R” lettering part of the stickering on the side panels, or if possible, try to get an “M” sticker printed in the same type of font and colour and attach it before the “AX” to get a more accurate portrayal of the model while also maintaining the aesthetic.
That’s not a new sticker kit. That’s an old stock set of tank and panels that I found with a dealer in Delhi. The boxes these came in (genuine TVS Suzuki) have stamped dates of the mid-90s. Hence not messing around with anything on them. Anyway, I still have the stock set of tank and panels with me, and chose to buy a new set instead of painting the original.
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That’s not a new sticker kit. That’s an old stock set of tank and panels that I found with a dealer in Delhi. The boxes these came in (genuine TVS Suzuki) have stamped dates of the mid-90s. Hence not messing around with anything on them. Anyway, I still have the stock set of tank and panels with me, and chose to buy a new set instead of painting the original.
Whoa, that's quite a find. That too in Delhi. Are those the metal side panels? Since those are original, of course, it's to be preserved as it is.
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You can try this: https://www.husqvarna.com/in/fuel-an...stroke-oil-hp/

Currently the best 2T oil you can get in India. Yes, I know it's for Chainsaws, etc, but it will work very well on your bike. I use it in my Rotax 503.
Thank you for the recommendation! Did manage to find it finally and give it a try. It's truly fantastic stuff. Will be my go to 2T oil from now on!

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It's lighter and thinner than some other 2T oils, but at the same time, does an even better job at lubrication. You can say that the engine does love it. Smoke is also relatively contained as I see it. It's not too expensive either. Just a little bit more as compared to the standard stuff we get. Truly worth it!
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