[fearswag16]

I recently replaced the front brake pads of my scrambler 400x from organic to OEM Sintered part, this exact same part is used in KTM 390 models and the price is the same



For anyone wondering, the price of the sintered brake pad is 2777rs (including GST),
Labour charges for the same is 80rs

[rambo1o1]

Hey Guys,

I finally got the scrambler 400x home.


The bike arrived on 24th december , however i got it last week as i was out of station.Delivery experience was smooth. Availed of the december offer of free accessories. The offer is a discount of 12500/- on the total bill of parts and labour and all the accessories in the list are compulsory. I could have created a fit as i was not interested in the high mudguard but i took the accessory for future if and when i change my mind.
attaching the bill for reference, on the total they minus 12,500/-. Labor seemed quite high but just triumph doing triumph things.


Coming to the bike ,have covered 450km in 5 days and really impressed with it. Will not delve into the positives as the official review covers everything perfectly. Ill summarize my negatives.

1. Poor headlight- it should be criminal to provide such headlights in any vehicle but sadly other manufactures are the same(RE) I have tried lowering the headlight and somehow i am able to manage it but on any highway runs, you need aux lights. Will take a call later as i dont do alot of night riding.
2. Weak Horn- badly needs an upgrade, read from reviews that it was weak, dint expect pathetically weak.
3. Known front braking power: Again something that was known before, will get it rectified with sintered pads either before the 1k km service or during it.
4. Narrow rear view mirrors. Need a wider field of view. Am thinking of adding bar end mirrors in addition to the stock mirrors, will need some guidance on how best to resolve this issues.

Lastly, i wanted to PPF wrap the tank. However i have got different responses from different reputed shops. Some will remove and refit the tank pads(not recommended from what i gather online), others will wrap over it and cut out the pad outline(3 piece warp?) and others will not wrap, only ceramic coat. If any one has PPF their tank kindly guide.


Overall very satisfied with my purchase.

Just a side note, my bike dint come with the saree guard, none of the other bikes had the saree guard from the stock yard. Im not sure if the showroom is removing them or some supply issues with triumph.

[RajeshKanna]

Originally Posted by Senotrius

Please do update regarding the Rox pivoting risers @nasirkaka. Currently using a carbon racing pullback riser which is ok'iah.

Hi, how is your experience with carbon racing riser? I am looking to buy one and i find both zana and carbon racing ones are identical. Thought of going with carbon racing ones. Please share your experience. Also please share if it required any re-routing of the cables.

[Funny]

Originally Posted by rambo1o1

Lastly, i wanted to PPF wrap the tank. However i have got different responses from different reputed shops. Some will remove and refit the tank pads(not recommended from what i gather online), others will wrap over it and cut out the pad outline(3 piece warp?) and others will not wrap, only ceramic coat. If any one has PPF their tank kindly guide.

Congratulations. I have also bought the bike with December offer but haven't paid anything extra for the accessories. Even the labor cost was included.

Agreed with all your negatives. I'd add one more: Rear brake is not up-to the mark. Not sure if its with my bike alone, but the bike doesn't really slow down with application of rear brake alone, also I cannot get it to engage ABS even after applying a lot of pressure, it feels almost wodden like. Maybe my brake lines require bleeding, will have to get it checked during 1st service which will be due soon.

Regarding PPF, I have got the Gloss PPF done on my Red Scrambler. It was a 3-peice application and costed about 4.5K for the tank alone and it comes with 5yrs warranty. The side tank pads were removed and re-applied after the PPF application, the detailer assured me that there won't be any problem with this approach, although few other detailers had suggested me otherwise.

[nasirkaka]

Originally Posted by RajeshKanna

Hi, how is your experience with carbon racing riser? I am looking to buy one and i find both zana and carbon racing ones are identical. Thought of going with carbon racing ones. Please share your experience. Also please share if it required any re-routing of the cables.

Hi, I have done much tinkering with the handlebar position on the 400X.

To begin with, the bike does not necessarily need a handlebar riser as the handlebar position is good enough for off-road recommended "attack Position" even while standing and riding. In this position, the upper body is slightly bent forward and the chin is on top of the handlebar. At max, some rotation of handlebar maybe required to achieve this attack position posture.

But that is all theory. In reality, different rider's requirements differ. I have been spoilt by very upright and relaxed posture on my earlier bikes and wanted something similar on the 400X. I never got the Carbon racing riser, but got the Zana riser.




This Zana riser is a pull back type where it raises and also brings back the handlebar position. This position feels good while sitting and riding but while standing and riding, the handlebar feels too close to the body, especially on inclines. If we try and over-rotate the handlebar away from the body, the control switches, levers, etc start fouling with respect to their position on ther handlebar. For eg, the clutch lever when pressed with starting hitting the light flash switch. I was not too happy with this position mainly as standing and riding was not satisfactory.





While working on these trials, I found out the Zana riser could also be turned by 180 degrees and used, as shown in this diagram. Fig.A is standard handlebar. Fig.B is with zana handlebar the way it is intended to be used. Fig.C is zana Handlebar rotated and used. I installed the risers like Fig.C and it worked better than Fig.A for my requirement. But the handlebar was too high now and not really ideal for sitting and riding. Standing and riding was comfortable here. Again not completely satisfied.





So I installed 2" Rox pivot riser. Zana risers are around 1.5" and that itself is just about ok for the cable lengths. The Rox is relatively taller and cable length could be slight hindrance. I have also realised that different 400X have slight difference in their cable length slacks. My bike has a bit more leeway compared to some other 400X I have seen. With some adjustment made to the clutch cable, I could manage to install the Rox risers. Rox being a dual pivot riser gives us ulmost flexibility.





After a lot of trial at various angles & positions and also switching between Rox and Zana a few times, I eventually settled for this position. As we can see, the Rox riser if forward rotates to a large entent. This helps create extra room for standing and riding and also raises the handlebar by about 1.5". I sort of found this as best balance between comfort while seated and also while standing and riding. Cables and controls are just about fine. Clutch cable required some adjustement using plastic cable ties but there was no re-routing done. Overall, I am happy with this setting.

[Senotrius]

How much for the ROX risers? Is it compatible with the Speed 400?

[nasirkaka]

Originally Posted by Senotrius

How much for the ROX risers? Is it compatible with the Speed 400?

Rox risers are expensive here at around 10k. I got these for the V650 which later was transferred to the 310GS and now on the 400X. They are well made and suit the 22mm dia handlebars which is most common size. They also have many designs, adaptors, and bike specific risers of various lengths.

But if one is not very specific/sensitive to standing and riding ergonomics, even the likes of Zana / Carbon racing will help greatly with upright posture and comfort. After installing the riser, its equally important to rotate the handlebar to a comfortable position. And also the position of the brake and clutch levers on the handlebar because if they are not set correctly, can cause stress on wrist and discomfort after a while. Usually these adjustments may not get right at the first attempt but may require multiple attemps and tweaks after every ride.

What I do is carry allen key for the handlebar and spanners for the levers and go on a highway ride. I keep adjusting the combinations and try and achieve a position which works best. We can't leave this on mechanic, as sitting on the bike in a garage and trying to gauge the correct rotational position of handlebar on the riser and rotational position of both the levers on the handlebar seldom gets perfection.

[Senotrius]

I'll try the option of reversing the carbon racing pullback risers first. That's a nice idea actually. The pullback risers in position B is of no use as it comes back and down too.

[DarthFader]

Originally Posted by nasirkaka

After a lot of trial at various angles & positions and also switching between Rox and Zana a few times, I eventually settled for this position.

This looks way too tall now. Is it comfortable in street and offroad usage?

Good set of experimentations shared by the way. Kudos!

[nasirkaka]

Originally Posted by DarthFader

This looks way too tall now. Is it comfortable in street and offroad usage?

It works very well for my usage, even while commuting in city and while off-roading. But another 400X rider tried my bike and found the handlebars slightly on the higher side. We get conditioned to a position/body posture, and any sudden change feels odd.

This video throws some light on the handlebar position on a typical adventure bike, and basis some of the tips, we can explore and experiment on our own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3LRe0JI61o

[RajeshKanna]

Originally Posted by nasirkaka

Hi, I have done much tinkering with the handlebar position on the 400X.

To begin with, the bike does not necessarily need a handlebar riser as the handlebar position is good enough for off-road recommended "attack Position" even while standing and riding. In this position, the upper body is slightly bent forward and the chin is on top of the handlebar. At max, some rotation of handlebar maybe required to achieve this attack position posture.

First of all, i appreciate your taking time to write up your whole experience with the risers. I am 6.1 and my requirement to have the riser arose as a result of another adjustment I made. The stock seat was not very comfortable for me, it was hard and the design of the seat wherein it kind of has an inclination towards the front did not help me in having a comfortable ride. Pain points started to develop post maybe 150 odd kms of riding itself. First I thought of tinkering with the seat but I did not have enough confidence and also i could not find a good seat wala to tinker the stock seat. I looked for if any alternative seats are available since the triumph ones were too costly. On the process I ended up buying the air cushion seat from Grandpitstop. Now, the air cushion ended up increasing the seat height by about 1.5-2 cms depending on the air level and the position and it ended up skewing the riding triangle. Now i kind of sit over the bike and my hands are pressing the handlebar. Like a sports bike position albeit not so aggressive but aggressive enough for me to feel the difference. The stock setup was pretty perfect.

So , now I am having to either increase the handlebar height or tinker the stock seat again and remove some foam. I felt the former would be better since the latter involves ruining the stock seat. I mostly donnot want to tinker the stock seat because that's non reversible , in the sense we cut off the foam and stuff. Whereas these fittings are plug and play kind of things. One begets another, and now I am almost spending the amount i would have spent for the triumph touring seat. Stupid of me. Anyways, thats how i ended up looking for risers. If there is anything else I can do to amend the posture , please share. Otherwise maybe the option left is to buy zana/carbon racing risers and install it. I donnot stand up and ride much except the odd speed bumps and surprise broken patches so i think that must not be a point of concern. Please share your thoughts. Thanks in advance.

[nasirkaka]

Originally Posted by RajeshKanna

The stock seat was not very comfortable for me, it was hard and the design of the seat wherein it kind of has an inclination towards the front did not help me in having a comfortable ride.

You very well described the thoughts I had about the seat after getting the bike. The gentle forward slope kept pushing me towards the tank and created pressure points. The accessory seat was too expensive at around 7k+ to try. If it was under 4K, I would have given it a tought. I also tried the air cushion but like you said it further increases the height, and cuts off the feedback from the road. The feeling of floating and shifting was unsettling. So I ended up trying to modify the shape of the seat myself. I have tinkered with seats on my earlier bikes, so had some confidence and also basic tools to attemp the same at home.

I had shared the details on seat modification earlier on the thread. Sharing the link below. Its been about 8k kms on odo and this modified seat is been working very well for my usage. If you can identify with the process and feel it may help, you could show it to a local seat maker and try and modify it on semilar lines.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motor...ml#post5821603 (DIY | Seat Slope Correction for Triumph Scrambler 400 X)

[400Xrider]

Originally Posted by rambo1o1

Labor seemed quite high but just triumph doing triumph things.
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Congratulations on your new ride, I got mine on the 27th of December and opted to not install the high rise mud guard. But the labour cost charged was 908 Rs. only. I agree with your list of drawbacks and I also found the side stand to be too steep!

[nasirkaka]

SUNDAY OUTING

Last Saturday, we slept with a frozen plan of riding to explore some trails around Tamilnadu. Sunday early morning we woke and were un-plesantly surprised by the heavy rain and chilly wind. There were three of us in the plan. As we were mentally not prepared for rain ride, and it was too cold, chilly and wet outside, we decided to drop the plan and went back to our dear sleep.

As the day progressed the weather slightly improved. Rain took a break and we were feeling itchy to miss out on an opportunity to ride with a great weather. A few calls to each other followed by some messages, and there was a new plan in place. The location chosen was closeby as it was already noon.

We all met at the city outskirts toll at around 1 pm. Two of us were on bike, (myself on the 400X, another freiend on the SX200) and BHPian Redliner on his Thar.

Throughout the ride, it was slightly drizzling and chilly.



Close to the destination, we were greeted with thick fog. Thanks to the weather, as this place seldom gets fog in the afternoon. I have been to this location many times, but the fog gives a totally different look and feel, a dreamy one.













On the way up, we stopped at a few locations to take some photos, chit-chat and soak in the mystic foggy afternoon.







The climb to this hillock is easy but offers scenic views of the valley below. There is also a difficult trail going to the top, but given the wet weather, we thought to leave it for another day.





On the wayback, we explored some flat trails and lake beds and it was almost evening and time to headback. Just before hitting the town, we stopped at a restaurant for some well deserved snacks and drinks, to call it a day.