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Aprilia Tuono 457 Review

Aprilia Tuono 457 Pros

• A good-looking & well-rounded motorcycle that gives you the big bike feels
• 457cc parallel-twin engine puts out best-in-class 47 BHP and 43.5 Nm. Performance is strong and effortless
• Comfortable ride quality on uneven surfaces. Aggressive cornering is handled well and has good high-speed stability
• Sorted ergonomics thanks to the raised handlebar and fuel tank shape. Comfortable for tall riders too
• Features like a 5-inch TFT display with customisation options, Bluetooth connectivity and turn-by-turn navigation, riding modes, 3 levels of traction control, and more

Aprilia Tuono 457 Cons

• Fit and finish is a mixed bag. Some bits feel out of place on a premium motorcycle like Aprilia
• Lacks the top-end rush like its Austrian and Japanese rivals
• Brakes are average at best. They could have been improved further compared to the RS457
• Features like a USB port, TPMS, quickshifter and adjustable levers are only available as accessories
• Aprilia's limited dealer and service network may lead to surprises in delivery timelines and hit-or-miss service experience

This review has been jointly compiled with KarthikK. Thanks to him for the expert observations and photography!

Introduction

The RS 457 was one of the, if not THE, most important motorcycle launch of 2024 for Aprilia. It marked the manufacturer's entry into the sub-500cc motorcycle segment across the world! Back then, the competition in the segment had a single-cylinder offering like the KTM RC 390 and twin-cylinder motorcycles like the Yamaha R3, Kawasaki Ninja 400 and Ninja 500. The former couldn't deliver the smooth riding experience of a twin-cylinder motorcycle, while the latter were exorbitantly priced for what they offered.

The RS 457, with its styling borrowed from bigger Aprilia sports bikes, a parallel-twin engine, a slew of electronics, and an aluminium frame, turned out to be a competent offering in the segment. More importantly for us, the motorcycle was built right here in India, allowing Aprilia to price it competitively at Rs 4.10 lakh (ex-showroom). However, as fun as it is to ride, a sports bike like RS 457 isn't the most practical motorcycle to use daily in India. That's where the Tuono 457 comes into the picture!

This is our first impression of the new Aprilia Tuono 457 after riding it for about an hour on a pre-planned route in and around Nandi Hills on the outskirts of Bangalore city.

Aprilia Tuono 457 Pricing

The Aprilia Tuono 457 is priced at Rs 3.95 lakh (ex-showroom). This makes it Rs 25,000 cheaper than the RS 457, which is currently priced at Rs 4.20 lakh (ex-showroom). That sounds like a sweet deal at first glance. However, both its primary competitors, the third-gen KTM 390 Duke (priced at Rs 2.95 lakh, ex-showroom) and the Yamaha MT-03 (priced at Rs 3.50 lakh, ex-showroom) received significant price drops recently. So, choosing one among the three isn't as straightforward. Bookings for the Aprilia Tuono 457 are now open, and test rides and deliveries of the motorcycle are expected to begin in the first week of March 2025.

You can download the Aprilia Tuono 457 brochure here - Aprilia Tuono 457 Brochure.pdf

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Design & Styling

The Tuono 660 and V4 feature quite a unique design for a naked motorcycle. However, the Tuono 457, unlike the RS 457, doesn't borrow any design cues from its larger sibling. Staying true to its naked streetfighter genes, the Tuono 457 comes with an exposed frame and engine block on the sides. Upfront, the single-piece headlamp unit features a vertically-stacked LED setup flanked by V-shaped DRLs on each side. A spoiler element placed below the headlamp and a sharp-looking tank shroud on the sides adds to the sportiness of the design. On the other hand, the redesigned fuel tank looks bulky and adds to the overall visual mass.

The seats and the tail section with the bat-shaped LED tail lamp have been carried over from the RS 457. In fact, everything from the frame, and wheelbase to the suspension and braking hardware is the same as the RS 457. Despite the lack of fairing, the Tuono 457 weighs almost the same as the RS 457. According to Aprilia, the headlamp unit and the single-piece handlebar are said to be the major contributors to the weight.

The Tuono 457 is offered in two colours - Piranha Red and Puma Grey. Both colour options come with minimal graphics and overall, the design of the Tuono 457 doesn't stand out as much as its faired sibling. It definitely looks more proportionate, though, especially when viewed from the side. It would be interesting to see if Aprilia adopts this design language for future iterations of the larger Tuonos.

Build Quality, Fit & Finish

The overall build quality is good for the price. Everything from the handlebar to the tank shrouds feels solidly put together. On the other hand, the fit and finish is a mixed bag. The paint quality on the fuel tank looks impressive but a closer look will reveal uneven panel gaps. The switchgear offers decent tactility but I would have preferred a slightly better finish around the switches, especially for the engine kill switch. There are other signs of cost-cutting like the side-stand which feels out of place on a premium motorcycle like Aprilia.

Features and Instrumentation

The feature list on the Aprilia Tuono 457 is a straight lift from the RS 457. The lighting is all-LED and it also comes equipped with backlit switches, a five-inch TFT display with customisation options and features like Bluetooth connectivity and turn-by-turn navigation. The content on the screen is well laid out and we faced no difficulty reading the screen under direct sunlight. There are three riding modes on offer, namely Sports, Eco and Rain. Additionally, each riding mode comes with three levels of traction control which can also be completely disabled. Additionally, there is dual-channel ABS with an option to disable the rear ABS. This can come in handy on a race track.

The accessory list is long and consists of a bi-directional quickshifter, TPMS, USB socket, adjustable brake lever, and more. While the overall list of features is impressive, I feel things like a USB socket and adjustable levers could have been offered as standard.

Wheels & Tyres

The Tuono 457 comes equipped with TVS Eurogrip ProTorq Extreme tyres developed in collaboration with Aprilia. The front is a 110/70 ZR17, while you get a 150/60 ZR17 size tyre at the rear (same as the RS 457). Thanks to ample monkeys jumping around on the road to Nandi Hills, we couldn't push the motorcycle to its absolute limit. That being said, it's easy to lean the motorcycle and the tyres offer impressive cornering grip. Given the dry riding conditions, we cannot comment on the grip levels offered on wet roads.

Ergonomics and Comfort

The Tuono 457 offers comfortable ergonomics. The primary credit goes to the raised single-piece handlebar which is also wider than the clip-on unit on the RS 457. The sitting posture is nice and upright and I didn't feel any strain on my wrists even after spirited riding for 45-50 minutes. It's impressive how Aprilia has managed to make the riding experience so comfortable, considering there are no changes to the footpeg position. While it helps keep the cornering ground clearance the same as the RS 457, taller riders might feel slightly cramped from below the waist.



The rider's seat has ample room to move around for my 5'11 frame. I cannot comment on the pillion comfort, but like the RS 457, the pillion seat is compact but comes with decent padding.

Fuel Tank Capacity & Range

The fuel capacity on the Tuono 457 remains almost identical to its faired sibling at 12.7 litres (13 litres on the RS 457). One can expect more or less the same range on a full tank of fuel on this motorcycle as the RS 457. Its lack of fairing and the upright riding posture leading to more drag might affect efficiency. On the other hand, the engine has impressive low-end torque and that means you seldom need to ride it at higher revs.

Maintenance

After an initial checkup of 1,000 km, the bike comes with a service interval of 6,000 km / 6 months. The first three services are complimentary with labour charges excluded.

Standard & Extended Warranty

The bike comes with a 36-month / 36,000 km warranty from the date of sale, whichever is earlier. No information on extended warranty packages was provided. However, the price comes bundled with 2 years of roadside assistance at no extra cost.

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Riding the Aprilia Tuono 457

Like most of the motorcycle, the engine is also a straight lift from the RS 457. The 457cc liquid-cooled parallel-twin puts out 47 BHP @ 9,400 rpm and 43.5 Nm @ 6,700 rpm, making it the most powerful and torquiest engine in its class. The only difference here is the shorter final drive, courtesy of one extra tooth on the rear sprocket.

The highlight of the powertrain is its strong low-end performance. Almost 80 percent of the peak torque kicks in at 3,000 rpm and the motor continues to pull cleanly to 9,000 rpm. Thanks to the shorter gearing, the Tuono 457 is quick to shoot off the line. The other advantage of having strong low-end performance is tractability. To test how good it is, I completely rolled off the throttle before a steep hairpin, let speeds go as low as 7-8 km/h in second gear and yet the engine would pull ahead without an ounce of resistance. Out on the open roads, the engine pulls cleanly from as low as 50 km/h in sixth gear. While we didn't get to ride it in city conditions, it is safe to assume that the motorcycle can easily chug around in third gear all day long.



The three riding modes alter the throttle response. Eco mode offers a soft response that is well suited for city conditions and relaxed touring on open roads. Sport mode spices things up with a significantly sharper throttle response. It seems like Aprilia wants you to use this mode the most given the motorcycle starts in Sport mode by default. But, be careful with your throttle input, especially when getting out of corners, or the rush of torque can catch you by surprise. Rain mode is best reserved for when the road conditions are wet.

The engine's versatility shines on the open roads. 100 km/h in sixth gear comes at a relaxed 5,000 rpm and the Tuono 457 can cruise at these speeds all day long. Also, there is more than enough power in reserve to make a quick overtake. The clutch is light to operate and gearshifts are precise for the most part. Given the overall characteristic of the motorcycle, emptying your wallet a little more for the quickshifter wouldn't be a bad idea.

The Tuono 457's engine is rev-friendly, but the motor is happier in the mid-range than it is closer to its 10,500 rpm redline. Redlining the Tuono 457 doesn't feel as rewarding as its Austrian or Japanese rivals.

Refinement & NVH

The Tuono 457 remains smooth and vibe-free throughout its rev range, except near its redline. A slight buzz kicks in through the pegs post 8,500 rpm; nothing that would make it a dealbreaker. The 270-degree crank gives the Aprilia a characterful exhaust note. It sure grabs a lot of attention. That being said, the subtle pops and bangs of the Yamaha MT-03's exhaust sounded more pleasing to my ears. That's just personal preference, though.

Suspension & Handling

The suspension hardware on the Tuono 457 is the same as the RS 457, with 41 mm USD and a mono-shock. Given the upright sitting posture, there is now more weight towards the rear. Hence, the rear suspension of the Tuono 457 gets a slightly softer setup compared to its faired sibling. The suspension travel remains the same with 120 mm and 130 mm travel at the front and back, respectively. Our test route mostly comprised of good quality roads, hence it is difficult to comment on the ride comfort over bad roads.

What I can tell you is that there is no compromise on the handling front. The wider handlebar helps make quick direction changes in corners and the motorcycle remains stable at lean angles. The Tuono 457, just like the RS 457 is forgiving and amateur friendly. At the same time, it can be quite a fun tool in the hands of an experienced rider.

Braking

Braking hardware on the Tuono 457 is supplied by ByBre, Brembo's budget brand, and comprises a 320 mm front disc and 220 mm rear disc. The initial bite and stopping power from the brakes is fairly strong. There were multiple reports of the front brake fading on the RS 457 after 3-4 laps at the Kari Motor Speedway during the first rides last year. The issue is difficult to replicate on normal driving roads, and we didn't face any during our time with the motorcycle. However, the overall performance of the brakes is average at best. They could've been better in terms of bite force and progressive feedback.

Closing thoughts

In our brief interaction with the Aprilia Tuono 457, it impressed us on multiple fronts. It is essentially the RS 457 in a more comfortable package; one that can be used for the daily commute, long-distance touring and spirited riding in the hills. The cherry on the top is that it is Rs. 25,000 cheaper than its faired sibling. That being said, its primary competitors boast a strong price advantage, so it's a tough pick in this segment.

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Aprilia Tuono 457 Images

This is the first time that Aprilia has launched a Tuono without the iconic half-fairing. While the Tuono 457's design isn't as attention-grabbing as the RS 457, it will appeal to a wider set of audience:


Single-piece headlamp comes with vertically stacked LEDs. The spoiler-like element below the headlamp is a nice touch:


LED headlamp in action during night:


New taller single-piece handlebar sits at a comfortable height and is wide. Combined with the bulky fuel tank, you feel like you are riding a higher segment motorcycle:


Up and down switches can be used to toggle between three levels of traction control. Long pressing the down switch disables traction control. The ride mode switch is placed below the engine kill switch. Switches offer decent tactility:


It currently uses DOT4 braking oil:


Clutch is light to operate but an adjustable lever should have been provided as standard:


Sharp design for the rear view mirror. I noticed slight buzz in the mirror at higher rpms affecting rear visibility:


Redesigned fuel tank has a capacity of 12.7 litres. It feels bulky from the saddle and has been ergonomically designed to hold the tank with your thighs:


Notice how the panel gap slims down as you move towards the side of the tank:


Aprilia's 54 world titles sticker sits proudly on the fuel tank to remind you of the brand's racing heritage:


Traction control is set level 1 by default in Sport mode. Throttle response is almost instantaneous and I recommend you use this mode on open roads only:


Traction control is set to level 3 by default in both Eco and Rain mode. 5-inch TFT is equipped with features like Bluetooth connectivity, music controls and turn-by-turn navigation:


Rider's seat provides decent support and is accommodating of larger riders as well:


Battery can be accessed from under the rider's seat. There is some room to store bike documents. Notice the 'Made in India' sticker:


Pillion seat is compact but comes with decent padding:


Here's KarthikK (6'1" tall) on the Tuono 457:


41 mm USD forks upfront get 120 mm of travel. Braking hardware consists of a 320 mm ByBre disc and a four-piston calliper. 110/70 ZR17 tyres upfront:


No damping adjustment for the front or rear suspension. Only adjustable for preload:


Rear suspension comes with only preload adjustability and has been slightly softened up to manage the extra weight due to the upright riding posture:


Rear sprocket gets one extra tooth. Shorter gearing further adds to the low-end performance of the Tuono 457 making it even more fun to ride:


Gear box is precise with shifts. Bi-directional quickshifter is available as an accessory:


Excellent wire management all around the motorcycle:


While the footpegs themselves feels sturdy, the rubber padding could have been of better quality:


Tail-section has been carried over from the RS 457 and looks gorgeous. Do note, that customer bikes will come with saree guards which will rob off the looks to an extent:


Rear LED turn-indicators in action:


Aprilia has a winner in their hands with the Tuono 457. It makes a great case for itself as a single bike for multiple use cases:


Unboxing the new Aprilia Tuono 457:


Tuono 457 in Phantom Red. It is my pick among the two colour options:


Disclaimer: Aprilia invited Team-BHP for the Aprilia Tuono 457 test-ride. They covered all the travel expenses for this riding event.

[doomketu]

Was not expecting a comprehensive review out the door this soon, thank you drivingfreak. The fact that majority of the torque comes in at 3000rpm is fantastic. This however would mean taking more care when wringing the throttle. Can you also elaborate on the heat dissipation? Is it similar to the RS457 where I believe its felt near the thighs and ankle. In city I am sure we can expect cooked ankles if we are not careful.

Design of the bike looks good, I keep telling my friends that it looks like a 'Decepticon' from the transformers franchise.

Its a shame though that QS, USB and TPMS are still optional accessories as they will bump up the cost for the "Complete" package of the bike up by at least 50k.

[RPRIME95]

Nice. A proper review of the Tuono from TeamBHP. Now off to watch Sagar Sheldekar's review on YouTube.

Time to get a test ride and see if my legs feel as cramped as they did on the RS. If no, this is the pick for me.

[steel2310p]

Hey!
-Does the lack of rubber cover on the clutch cable which is near the engine shows cost cutting?
Because even commuter bikes have those to protect the clutch cable from dust and debris.

-And what fuel economy did it showed up during the trip on the dash.

-And also does the TFT dash looks smaller due to missing fairing!?

-What was the absolute redline limit? Is it lesser than rs457

-And i myself would also prefer the bike with higher redline like MT-03.

[loki]

Bike looks gorgeous from the rear and rear 3/4ths. . Is All black a color option? All black with Gold front forks. Hmm.

Can't wait to see a Made-in-India Tuareg 457 now !

[vsbabu]

This bike has been on my wishlist for a while. At wrong side of 50 years age, RS457’s posture would have bee too sporty. Few questions I’ve:

1. The front mud guard seems short - wouldn’t it splash mud on engine? Probably will have to fix some other bike’s flap.
2. Can’t find any way to fix a rear seat grip/rail/backrest. Any ideas? Children will not let me go out solo often - pillion seat looks a bit scary without any rails at the back.:(
3. Any feedback on service in Coimbatore for RS457 - I can see only one dealer here.

[Kashi053]

Great review drivingfreak & KarthikK. Few questions.

1. How is the pillion comfort? You might not have got a chance to experience it but can it manage 200-250km double up?
2. Can top box or backrest an option which can help increasing pillion comfort?
3. How do you compare 390 duke vs tuono in terms of acceleration, raw power. I owned 390 for 11 years and want to understand whether the Tuono feel upgrade or should 390 owner look for higher class bikes?
4. Any feedback on service & maintenance cost? Will it be too high than ktm?

[emperor_raizen]

Contrary to popular opinion on social media handles, I actually like the headlamp setup, especially those snake fangs-like DRLs. Its like a silent serpent ready to strike at fierce speeds. Nonetheless, I somehow feel with recent price revision and aprilia charging extra for certain necessary goodies, duke 390 is a better proposition (surely, if one can live with vibrations) given its raw power, standard accessories and easier to maintain with better service center availability. I'm not considering mt03 in the race.

[sai_ace]

As 38 year old who never got around to fulfilling his biking dreams properly, I finally sense a chance to live my dream.

What I want -

No single cylinder - either a twin or beyond
Technology - TC, ABS, Digital Dash etc
Sporty intent - not crouched but not wide open arms.
VFM - Reasonably priced aka less than 5-6L ONR
Ease of Living - Should be easy enough to occasionally ride to office
Ease of performance - Should be able to hang around 120Kmph and with enough reserve to overtake from thereon.

I think all of the above lead to Tuono as a new bike. And I cant wait.

[drvhplyevraftr]

I currently own the Honda CB300R and previously owned Royal Enfield Thunderbird 500 and before that a Pulsar.

After owning the Thunderbird, all I wanted was a bike which weighed less and throws less heat from the engine onto the legs. Since it is a everyday commuter in Hyderabad traffic, these 2 were the primary requirement and the CB300R suited the requirements to the T.

I am owning this bike for close to 3 years now and am really happy with the CB300R, that said, the itch to upgrade to a bigger bike, a twin-cylinder has been going on in my mind for quite sometime now.

I really love the big bike looks of the Tuono, the exhaust note and love the white color especially. Now reading all the reviews and youtube videos, looks like this would be a better hooligan when compared to the CB300R. CB300R kerb weight is like 150kgs and this is around 175kgs. Falls somewhere between the CB300R and the Thunderbird (was around 200 kgs) and so I think I can manage that. However what I dont know is how this would dissipate heat especially in a choc-a-block type traffic as this is where I would use it the most.

Anyways once the test drives are available, would be taking a test drive and see and compare it for myself.

If the weight is not an issue and the heat management is not a problem in traffic, this very well could be the proper upgrade for me from the CB300R.

[KarthikK]

Originally Posted by doomketu

The fact that majority of the torque comes in at 3000rpm is fantastic. This however would mean taking more care when wringing the throttle. Can you also elaborate on the heat dissipation? Is it similar to the RS457 where I believe its felt near the thighs and ankle. In city I am sure we can expect cooked ankles if we are not careful.

The heat dissipation on the Tuono is a bit better than on the RS, due to the lack of fairing channeling any hot air through the fairing gaps. It was not an issue even in the afternoon heat where we got to test this bike.

Its a shame though that QS, USB and TPMS are still optional accessories as they will bump up the cost for the "Complete" package of the bike up by at least 50k.

Agree that this will work out a bit more expensive than the competition when all the accessories are added up. On the bright side, at least these are being offered by the OEM themselves (which means warranty coverage too), compared to something like the MT03 where there is no accessory support on an already outdated model.

Originally Posted by steel2310p

-Does the lack of rubber cover on the clutch cable which is near the engine shows cost cutting?

Because even commuter bikes have those to protect the clutch cable from dust and debris.

If you're referring to the exposed portion near the engine case, this should not be a major issue. Do note that these were test bikes and the final ones delivered to customers may have these in proper shape .

-And what fuel economy did it showed up during the trip on the dash.

With heavy acceleration and uphill climbs on the Nandi hills route (where we tested this bike), the FE dropped to as low as 14 kmpl, on straights it went up to 23-24 kmpl when the throttle input was a bit lighter. Eco mode tends to help the FE get a bit better. We could not get to try it in traffic unfortunately, but I don't think the city FE numbers should be very different from the existing RS457's figures.

-And also does the TFT dash looks smaller due to missing fairing!?

I am given to believe it is the exact same unit. The fairing can make it look different

-What was the absolute redline limit? Is it lesser than rs457

Apart from the extra tooth in the sprocket (mild improvement in low end at the expense of a bit of top end), there is no other difference between the powertrain of the Tuono and RS457.

Originally Posted by loki

Bike looks gorgeous from the rear and rear 3/4ths. . Is All black a color option? All black with Gold front forks. Hmm.

Unfortunately these two options displayed in the review are the only color trims available now. You're right, black with gold forks would have looked dapper. Maybe they are planning one for some future facelift.

Can't wait to see a Made-in-India Tuareg 457 now !

You bet! A nice and affordable twin Adv will spice up things in the A2 adventure bike space. Hope they launch that Tuareg 457 soon!

Originally Posted by vsbabu

This bike has been on my wishlist for a while. At wrong side of 50 years age, RS457’s posture would have bee too sporty. Few questions I’ve:

1. The front mud guard seems short - wouldn’t it splash mud on engine? Probably will have to fix some other bike’s flap.

I can't comment on this because we tried this bike in bone dry weather of February month. We may have to wait for customer reports or maybe a more detailed test sometime to get an answer on this.

2. Can’t find any way to fix a rear seat grip/rail/backrest. Any ideas? Children will not let me go out solo often - pillion seat looks a bit scary without any rails at the back.:(

There are small grab rails integrated into the tail section on either side of the pillion seat (refer image below), but they are not very functional for say, a newbie (or nervous) pillion looking for something chunky to confidently grip on to.


Adding anything else on this part of the bike will ruin the sporty aesthetics in my opinion, and Aprilia have done a decent job of integrating grab rails in something of this segment. I am sure aftermarket vendors may start offering additional enhancements (at the cost of aesthetics) in the days to come.

3. Any feedback on service in Coimbatore for RS457 - I can see only one
dealer here.

Leaving this question out to be answered by someone in Coimbatore.

Originally Posted by Kashi053

Great review drivingfreak & KarthikK. Few questions.

1. How is the pillion comfort? You might not have got a chance to experience it but can it manage 200-250km double up?

Thanks for the kind words.
We didn't get any direct pillion time on it, but the tail section of the RS457 and the Tuono 457 are exactly same, so it should be the exact same feedback as the faired sibling RS457. The pillion seat is small but cushion padding seems quite adequate to me for a couple of hours of riding before a break might be needed.

2. Can top box or backrest an option which can help increasing pillion comfort?

I am sure there may be aftermarket players jumping in with accessories such as these in the days to come.

3. How do you compare 390 duke vs tuono in terms of acceleration, raw power. I owned 390 for 11 years and want to understand whether the Tuono feel upgrade or should 390 owner look for higher class bikes?

The Tuono has a more torquey form of power delivery, compared to the peaky power delivery of KTM 390s. Ample pulling power is available even in the lower RPM range even as low as 2000rpm, which means in general fewer gearshifts and effortless acceleration in all gears compared to the 390s which beg you to rev more to wake up and sprint ahead after say 6000rpm or so. There is also a subjective angle to this, some riders who prefer peaky top end acceleration bursts may still enjoy the Duke 390 more, while those who prefer the low end torque wave will enjoy the Tuono more because the Tuono is happy to thrive in the low and mid range, and tends to run out of breath at higher rpms a bit sooner than expected (compared to even the Japanese twin motors in this segment such as the N500 or MT03/R3).

4. Any feedback on service & maintenance cost? Will it be too high than ktm?

It will be very similar to the RS457, which means it slots in somewhere between the KTMs on the economical end and the Japanese CBUs and CKDs on the expensive end. I am told the routine services cost somewhere around ~3500-4000 INR.

[doomketu]

Originally Posted by KarthikK

The heat dissipation on the Tuono is a bit better than on the RS...

Glad to know that the roasting afternoon heat has not inconvenienced you much. In my dear single cylinder 310, on stop and go my feet starts baking as temps touch 100+ but quickly drop when we start moving.

Originally Posted by KarthikK

... (which means warranty coverage too), compared to something like the MT03 where there is no accessory support on an already outdated model.

Absolutely Spot on!! This makes a world of difference. I already believe that even with price cuts, the R3/MT03 are NOT competitive if we start looking at them objectively beyond the brand lens and the " high revving" heart that gets talked about a lot. Thanks again for taking time to reply to everyone here.