Planning to buy a Bike - pulsar 220 dtsfi or KZM

v&v · 5th November 2007, 10:58

hi,

Planning to buy a bike - Either of the two above mentioned. Advice Please!
Usage - Casual Weeknd driving.

i didnt find much review on pulsar 220 on the forum.
I had visited the pro-biking showroom in vasant vihar new delhi. Checked the P220. Feature wise it loaded. They dont provide a test drive. Disappointed as i cannot get the feel on road.

Will be visitng HH showroom to check out KZM too. i have been told they to have launched new KZM with come cosmatic changes.

Cost or Mileage is not a issue.
I had driven Suzuki Shogun and Yamaha RX 100 almost 10 years before.

LOVE4U4EVER · 5th November 2007, 13:01

I suggest u buy ZMA......... HH can be trusted for their product....., and ZMA is a comfortable bike & reliable.

yogesh sarkar · 5th November 2007, 13:12

Get the 220, you won't be disappointed.

surajs · 5th November 2007, 13:31

P220 is a better bet..Go for it buddy

phamilyman · 5th November 2007, 13:50

Zimble. Check out xBhp G2G : Get - to - gethers - xBhp - meet up one weekend and see/test/pillion both bikes and then decide.

Most guys would be eager to show the other bike down

Nikhilb2008 · 5th November 2007, 14:09

It's a no contest !! Has to be the Pulsar 220DTSfi

Technocrat · 5th November 2007, 14:13

If you are a Highway guy then go for ZMA. If not then P220

govigov · 5th November 2007, 14:42

The P220, much much better then the ZMA. good top end speeds as well, plus, disc at both rear and front (unless i am very much mistaken)

ScarySkulls · 5th November 2007, 23:32

P220 is only impressive on Paper.

Karizma is a bike that will keep impressing you even 1,2 or 3 years after with it's refinement, quality, reliability.

For the record, check timings of both bikes. Both are pretty much neck to neck upto 100.
Karizma is always a better bike for city -> comfortable.
For highway -> very relaxed
For touring -> Very reliable. One night in Leh. Bike covered in snow. And first choke self in morning and it starts up.

P220 gives more starting problems even in half the chilling temperatures as above.

Final word of advice. Test drive both. And dont buy any.
Carbed Karizma production is stopped and you should be waiting for the Fuel Injected Karizma now which is due anytime now...

yogesh sarkar · 6th November 2007, 09:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScarySkulls

For touring -> Very reliable. One night in Leh. Bike covered in snow. And first choke self in morning and it starts up.

P220 gives more starting problems even in half the chilling temperatures as above.

The Pulsar 220 that was in our group ride to Ladakh had no cold start problems and we encountered enough cold weather and snow. The overall mileage returned was roughly 50 kmpl and where the other bikes were doing 40, this one was easily doing 70-80!

iamkapilb · 6th November 2007, 09:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScarySkulls

Carbed Karizma production is stopped and you should be waiting for the Fuel Injected Karizma now which is due anytime now...

and how reliable is this newz? whats the source??

CrAzY dRiVeR · 6th November 2007, 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScarySkulls

Carbed Karizma production is stopped and you should be waiting for the Fuel Injected Karizma now which is due anytime now...

Everyone waiting for this... for almost a year.

And HH finally brought out the Karizma R!

pawan_pullarwar · 6th November 2007, 19:28

I was among first 35 buyers of P220. If you want an aggressive driving style go for P220. If you are looking something like tourer kind of feeling go for ZMA. You can search my review on xbhp.com

ScarySkulls · 6th November 2007, 21:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by yogesh sarkar

The Pulsar 220 that was in our group ride to Ladakh had no cold start problems and we encountered enough cold weather and snow. The overall mileage returned was roughly 50 kmpl and where the other bikes were doing 40, this one was easily doing 70-80!

Thanks for the post. So that means, not all P220 are created equal. Some manage to run well in extreme conditions also.

Talking of extreme, I've been full throttle on karizma for like many many minutes. RPM needle pinned to the redline. Never encountered any problems.

Another friend who on one of his highway tours, did same to his P200(he was a karizma owner earlier) had the exhaust valve fail due to extreme heat. That valve when punched a 2 inch wide hole in the piston. All other karizmas carried on....

My local riding group is big time into Stunting (ClubRPM) and we are one of the top stunting teams in India.
Stunting = Accelerated wear and tear. Pulsars overheat and loose power much much easier than Karizmas. Holds true for P150, 180, 200. 220 Still manages near to karizma due to fuel injection changing values appropriately and keeping the engine ticking over well.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamkapilb

and how reliable is this newz? whats the source??

Why not you ride down to your nearest HH dealer and see if he is booking any more bikes.
No HH dealer here is doing that now. Only clearing current Karizma stock.
Anyways, its a long time since Bajaj Launched a Fuel injected bike (P220). HH cant keep doing Karizma R type stupid tricks everytime and get away with it.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Everyone waiting for this... for almost a year.

And HH finally brought out the Karizma R!

Yes. That HH for you. Cosmetic changes = New bike

thefreak · 6th November 2007, 21:27

Hmm... Both bikes are nice bikes. I have had the good fortune of riding both and quite extensively at that.

The Pulsar is blasting. It has got a sexy pick up and roars along. No doubts that it is the faster of the two machines. It is much more feature heavy and the huge display panel looks just awesome.

The Karizma. I own it. Have owned it for close to 3.5 years and it is a wonderful bike. The best thing is the balance. I find the bike to be better balanced than any of the Pulsars. It is comfortable. But on a straight line I dont think it can take out the P200 let alone the P220.

5th November 2007, 10:58	#1
v&v Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 1,545 Thanked: 1,205 Times View My Garage	Planning to buy a Bike - pulsar 220 dtsfi or KZM hi, Planning to buy a bike - Either of the two above mentioned. Advice Please! Usage - Casual Weeknd driving. i didnt find much review on pulsar 220 on the forum. I had visited the pro-biking showroom in vasant vihar new delhi. Checked the P220. Feature wise it loaded. They dont provide a test drive. Disappointed as i cannot get the feel on road. Will be visitng HH showroom to check out KZM too. i have been told they to have launched new KZM with come cosmatic changes. Cost or Mileage is not a issue. I had driven Suzuki Shogun and Yamaha RX 100 almost 10 years before.
	() Thanks

5th November 2007, 13:01	#2
LOVE4U4EVER Newbie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Hyderabad(but present staying in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia) Posts: 6 Thanked: 0 Times	I suggest u buy ZMA......... HH can be trusted for their product....., and ZMA is a comfortable bike & reliable.
	() Thanks

5th November 2007, 13:12	#3
yogesh sarkar BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 238 Thanked: 37 Times	Get the 220, you won't be disappointed.
	() Thanks

5th November 2007, 13:31	#4
surajs BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: TVM Posts: 105 Thanked: 15 Times View My Garage	P220 is a better bet..Go for it buddy
	() Thanks

5th November 2007, 13:50	#5
phamilyman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 5,968 Thanked: 4,641 Times	Zimble. Check out xBhp G2G : Get - to - gethers - xBhp - meet up one weekend and see/test/pillion both bikes and then decide. Most guys would be eager to show the other bike down
	() Thanks

5th November 2007, 14:09	#6
Nikhilb2008 Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 5,196 Thanked: 10,136 Times	It's a no contest !! Has to be the Pulsar 220DTSfi
	() Thanks

5th November 2007, 14:13	#7
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	If you are a Highway guy then go for ZMA. If not then P220
	() Thanks

5th November 2007, 14:42	#8
govigov Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cochin!!!!! Posts: 1,690 Thanked: 1,092 Times View My Garage	The P220, much much better then the ZMA. good top end speeds as well, plus, disc at both rear and front (unless i am very much mistaken)
	() Thanks

5th November 2007, 23:32	#9
ScarySkulls BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Halifax, N.S. Posts: 623 Thanked: 34 Times	P220 is only impressive on Paper. Karizma is a bike that will keep impressing you even 1,2 or 3 years after with it's refinement, quality, reliability. For the record, check timings of both bikes. Both are pretty much neck to neck upto 100. Karizma is always a better bike for city -> comfortable. For highway -> very relaxed For touring -> Very reliable. One night in Leh. Bike covered in snow. And first choke self in morning and it starts up. P220 gives more starting problems even in half the chilling temperatures as above. Final word of advice. Test drive both. And dont buy any. Carbed Karizma production is stopped and you should be waiting for the Fuel Injected Karizma now which is due anytime now...
	() Thanks

6th November 2007, 19:28	#13
pawan_pullarwar BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pune - Now in Munich, Germany Posts: 778 Thanked: 129 Times	I was among first 35 buyers of P220. If you want an aggressive driving style go for P220. If you are looking something like tourer kind of feeling go for ZMA. You can search my review on xbhp.com Last edited by pawan_pullarwar : 6th November 2007 at 19:29.
	() Thanks

6th November 2007, 21:27	#15
thefreak BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 362 Thanked: 7 Times	Hmm... Both bikes are nice bikes. I have had the good fortune of riding both and quite extensively at that. The Pulsar is blasting. It has got a sexy pick up and roars along. No doubts that it is the faster of the two machines. It is much more feature heavy and the huge display panel looks just awesome. The Karizma. I own it. Have owned it for close to 3.5 years and it is a wonderful bike. The best thing is the balance. I find the bike to be better balanced than any of the Pulsars. It is comfortable. But on a straight line I dont think it can take out the P200 let alone the P220.
	() Thanks