TVS Apache RTR - Initial Ownership Report EDIT: Fun on Twisties, Pics on Pg7

fieroid · 29th October 2008, 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sankar

Kedar, pardon me for going OT.
Hows the performance of your custom Apache 180? How would you compare it with the RTR? Have you done only the cylinder & cyl head swap or have you gone the full monty with the mods

I would like to know more about your bike!

Its a 2006 model apache 150 which ran our big bore 200cc kit initially. Then, he decided to convert it into an RTR. So every styling bit and every other part of the RTR....parts worth 45k was picked. All swapped over a painful 2 months process at Zen TVS. So we always knew about the RTR/fiero bore-stroke = 175cc conversion. So suggested this.
A stock big bore RTR is what u can have. So the top end was swapped to the RTR bits and runs a BS29 carb. The bike looks like an RTR, titanium grey. Its an RTR in every sense. Every part in the bike, except the frame and bottom engine cases is new.
Its peppy and moves well. We have never done any real world speed checks, coz our man is used to touring and hardly at home over weekends.
But I'm reallly feeling bad that such an enthusiastic rider is off to a retirement from bikes after an accident(no, the bike never collided anywhere). This RTR180 is up for sale now. I know how much money he has flown into it, the whole bike would have costed him almost 1.3Lakhs or more with all the works. Has a HID kit too. However he has decided to part ways. Sadly I will loose a good biker in him.

Joel

nkrishnap · 29th October 2008, 21:42

@Technocrat: Osram nightbreaker will cost about Rs 600/- per piece and the silverstar about Rs. 150/- So the choice is yours.

@Joel: Though the biking part being true, will always be a friend of yours for life

Technocrat · 30th October 2008, 14:47

@nkrishnap: Thanks for the info, could you also share the details of this conversion, also do I need to do any coil winding etc for higher wattage bulb?

solly · 13th November 2008, 16:23

What's the battery wattage of RTR Fi? Can the headlamp alone be wired to run on DC from battery with a cutout and 60/55 H4's? Can the alternator take it on the long run? What about HID's? Which would be a better option from performance and reliability point of view?

sammyboy · 13th November 2008, 17:59

hey Techno, hows the bike been treating you? Hows the experience been so far?

Sankar · 13th November 2008, 18:05

Yep, you've been sitting silent about the bike. Hows the bike now?

Technocrat · 14th November 2008, 15:14

Well I have just been commuting on the bike, have done just 12xx kms so far.

The latest mileage returned is 42.xx which includes some hard core ripping & fast commuting. Under such riding the ZMA used to return 29-30 kpl

The bike does have vibrations around 6k-7k rpm. The pull & grunt around 7k rpm is addictive :P

The rising RPM issue still surfaces from time to time(4-5 times in last 600 kms) & as per Arpan its probably because the engine is running lean & should not be a major issue.

Planning to put Castrol Power 1 at 1500 kms

nkrishnap · 16th November 2008, 12:26

@Techno: after about 2k kms, just close your eyes and go for motul full synthetic oil. It makes a world of dfference. but will cost around 650 bucks. drain period 5-6k kms

Sankar · 16th November 2008, 14:11

If Motul is available in the 40W grade go for it man. We put Motul 300v in jkdas' avenger and it made a lot of difference, the usual harshness of bajaj engine was very much subdued and the bike started performing better.

Technocrat · 16th November 2008, 14:18

hmm now I am confused, I have used Power 1 in both my P180 V1 & ZMA & was very happy happy with it as I could see noticeable difference as in the both the bikes became very smooth & performed better than OEM oils.

sai_ace · 16th November 2008, 23:31

I have used Motul 300V FL for my Apache for 7K kms.... it was really good...remarkable difference! Initially I must admit that I dint get any big difference. Then I gave the bike for a routine service to the service center where they replaced some parts w.r.t transmission ...and wow... the bike was super smooth....

Just keep n mind that you get the best results when you have completely drained the engine oil and also replaced the oil filter (34bucks).

Btw, My fi has completed just <700kms but I have changed the oil twice

first time was after the compeletion of 200kms and then i changed it again at 550.

TVS Tru4 ->Castrol(Basic)-> and now using Veedol Super swift (Semi Synth)

PS : I am right now riding both the Apache and the fi ...and it never fails to amaze me what TVS has done to the original apache. My bike feels like a nice commuter with strong and gruff engine while the fi feels ready to hit the track! and that exhaust note....its simply the best 4 stroke note in the country....right up there with 'the original' - fiero

(imo)

SunnyBoi · 17th November 2008, 10:46

+1 for the Power1 full synth. Rode a ZMA with it and it felt like a dream

Technocrat · 17th November 2008, 11:16

err Power 1 is not fully synthetic or is it that it comes in Synthetic form as well?

praJEEP · 17th November 2008, 11:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technocrat

err Power 1 is not fully synthetic or is it that it comes in Synthetic form as well?

He meant castrol power 1 racing fully synthetic 10w40 check out sankar's zma thread
i have posted some pics.

Technocrat · 17th November 2008, 11:34

Thanks for the clarification since he didnt mention Power racing I got confused

29th October 2008, 21:42	#77
nkrishnap Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,983 Thanked: 7,405 Times View My Garage	@Technocrat: Osram nightbreaker will cost about Rs 600/- per piece and the silverstar about Rs. 150/- So the choice is yours. @Joel: Though the biking part being true, will always be a friend of yours for life
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30th October 2008, 14:47	#78
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	@nkrishnap: Thanks for the info, could you also share the details of this conversion, also do I need to do any coil winding etc for higher wattage bulb?
	() Thanks

13th November 2008, 16:23	#79
solly BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 150 Thanked: Once	What's the battery wattage of RTR Fi? Can the headlamp alone be wired to run on DC from battery with a cutout and 60/55 H4's? Can the alternator take it on the long run? What about HID's? Which would be a better option from performance and reliability point of view?
	() Thanks

13th November 2008, 17:59	#80
sammyboy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ggn/Dehradun Posts: 1,842 Thanked: 521 Times View My Garage	hey Techno, hows the bike been treating you? Hows the experience been so far?
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13th November 2008, 18:05	#81
Sankar BANNED Join Date: May 2005 Location: Location Posts: 5,766 Thanked: 9,053 Times	Yep, you've been sitting silent about the bike. Hows the bike now?
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14th November 2008, 15:14	#82
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	Well I have just been commuting on the bike, have done just 12xx kms so far. The latest mileage returned is 42.xx which includes some hard core ripping & fast commuting. Under such riding the ZMA used to return 29-30 kpl The bike does have vibrations around 6k-7k rpm. The pull & grunt around 7k rpm is addictive :P The rising RPM issue still surfaces from time to time(4-5 times in last 600 kms) & as per Arpan its probably because the engine is running lean & should not be a major issue. Planning to put Castrol Power 1 at 1500 kms
	() Thanks

16th November 2008, 12:26	#83
nkrishnap Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,983 Thanked: 7,405 Times View My Garage	@Techno: after about 2k kms, just close your eyes and go for motul full synthetic oil. It makes a world of dfference. but will cost around 650 bucks. drain period 5-6k kms
	() Thanks

16th November 2008, 14:11	#84
Sankar BANNED Join Date: May 2005 Location: Location Posts: 5,766 Thanked: 9,053 Times	If Motul is available in the 40W grade go for it man. We put Motul 300v in jkdas' avenger and it made a lot of difference, the usual harshness of bajaj engine was very much subdued and the bike started performing better.
	() Thanks

16th November 2008, 14:18	#85
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	hmm now I am confused, I have used Power 1 in both my P180 V1 & ZMA & was very happy happy with it as I could see noticeable difference as in the both the bikes became very smooth & performed better than OEM oils.
	() Thanks

16th November 2008, 23:31	#86
sai_ace BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: CBE-BLR-MAS Posts: 430 Thanked: 655 Times	I have used Motul 300V FL for my Apache for 7K kms.... it was really good...remarkable difference! Initially I must admit that I dint get any big difference. Then I gave the bike for a routine service to the service center where they replaced some parts w.r.t transmission ...and wow... the bike was super smooth.... Just keep n mind that you get the best results when you have completely drained the engine oil and also replaced the oil filter (34bucks). Btw, My fi has completed just <700kms but I have changed the oil twice first time was after the compeletion of 200kms and then i changed it again at 550. TVS Tru4 ->Castrol(Basic)-> and now using Veedol Super swift (Semi Synth) PS : I am right now riding both the Apache and the fi ...and it never fails to amaze me what TVS has done to the original apache. My bike feels like a nice commuter with strong and gruff engine while the fi feels ready to hit the track! and that exhaust note....its simply the best 4 stroke note in the country....right up there with 'the original' - fiero (imo)
	() Thanks

17th November 2008, 10:46	#87
SunnyBoi Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mysore / B'lore Posts: 1,660 Thanked: 4,092 Times	+1 for the Power1 full synth. Rode a ZMA with it and it felt like a dream
	() Thanks

17th November 2008, 11:16	#88
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	err Power 1 is not fully synthetic or is it that it comes in Synthetic form as well?
	() Thanks

17th November 2008, 11:34	#90
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	Thanks for the clarification since he didnt mention Power racing I got confused
	() Thanks

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