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Originally Posted by dwaraka Spitfire, RE has not responded to your issues on pricing and quality issues, that did not stop the sale of bullets. Infact they kept selling higher volume over years. No reasoning, agreed. |
Why, is it because we have owners who dig their heads in the ground and ignore it and call it a Bullet Thing? Is asking for quality such a big thing?
In these days of customer is king policy followed by companies all over why does RE have such an attitude? Is it because we have owners who dont complain or dont care to.
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Same with bullet riders as pointed out in your quote. It's individual choice. You have aired your anguish and we appreciate it. You had one bullet and now you don't. You took a stand to raise quality issues and nothing worked and you sold it. I rarely come across bullet owners selling them. Even if they do, with some compulsion/commitments.
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I had 2 not one. Many Bullet owners dont sell their Bullets because they end up spending much more on the Bullet then what they can get back if they sell it.
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Not that other two wheelers have any issues, Bajaj Chetak till recently had tilt and start issue. The company had never made improvement. Today Chetak is phased out. Chetak owners had taken it for granted and still rode on. Today they are antique pieces. Still there are buyers.
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I dont get the comparison. Lets not get in to comparisons please, too many parameters involved. Chetak was not sold for a premium anyways.
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So My point is Bullet is riddled with lost issue bullets. But rider complains and still rides on. They don't make issues of it.
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Why not? Is asking for better quality on a Bullet a sin?
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I personally feel we should stop ante bullet campaign.
I suppose you are sportive enough.
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It never was anti bullet. Its to make the bullet better.
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BTW, I see that you have Mahindra Classic. I invite you to the Off roading on 19th Oct at Ramanagara Sholay hills. Call me at 9448140425 to confirm.
Warm regards,
Dwarak
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Thanks Dwarak, did read it elsewhere in the forum. My Classic is in Goa. Someday i will surely join in.
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Originally Posted by TuffRyder Spitfire: Thanks for pointing out to that link. Its nice to know more about the new bike.
I still stick to my arguement about the old ones, don't try reasoning out a passion. You'll love to call a spade a spade and nothing else, good, don't dis, cos its the same spade that a thousand "FOOLS" will be holding to answer your questions. I don't need to answer anybody why I picked up a rattling, leaking, underpowered, overweight "bike" paying so much. Its my money and I'm allowed my fundamental right to being "foolish," or whatever you'll want to term it. |
Your money, your problem. But buy sub standard quality? Why? In this days of awareness.
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Now, can we discuss about the new bike, which this topic was created for?
1. Anyone know the cost that it is going to be released in Europe for?
2. Is the 350 twin spark engine that is in India now designed by the same guys Spitfire mentioned?
3. Is the Bullet Classic going to be manufactured at the Indian plant and exported?
4. Are they any other 500s in production at present for the Indian market?
5. Anyone here has access to the plant through friends or acquaintances? Probably they will have access to the new bike too. I have a friend who was given a Thunderbird 500 cc (yes you are reading it right) to test and the same engine was later released as the Machismo 500.
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Answers i know:
1. 5 to 5.5k OTR, read it in one of the posts above.
2. Nope. The machining is done abroad. There is a difference.
3. Yes, RE dosent assemble bikes anywhere else.
4. Yes there are.
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Originally Posted by TheARUN You never get tired of your wife, she is someone who is there only for you, and looks after you, willing to live and die with you. The only person who will cry once your're dead. She will stay there by your hospital bed when you are sick, rejoice with you at every small victory. She might become fat, she might lose her beauty working hard in your home, but she will always have that shining gold heart and that comforting hug forever.
Girlfriends are dime a dozen. They are sophisticated and third class, they don't care about you and you don't care about them, they come and go. They might look beautiful but that is all make up
READ BETWEEN THE LINES GUYS, YOU'LL GET WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY. AND I'M NOT EVEN MARRIED AS YET |
You are not married, so lets not get into it.
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Originally Posted by w 12 Mr,Spitfire seems to think his linked blog article proves his case. Lets take 2 examples from his own link
1. His contention that RE cares only for customers outside India, neglecting Indian users. His link says "They spent a lot of time and money on getting the 'thump' right, which is totally critical to sales in India."
If they are focussing on markets outside India , why will his own link say RE spent a lot of time & money on getting something right, which is critical for Indian market? |
Why then was it not launched in India, as and when it got launched in Europe? The thump was for Indians in Europe?
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2. The same link also says 'The engines are being machined by a new company that makes Japanese engines so that they are better than current ones, which aren’t too bad in and of themselves' .
Mr.spitfire conveniently forgot to quote the last part "which aren’t too bad in and of themselves' " , as it would have punctured his theory.
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I did paste the whole link right?. What do you think i was trying to hide then? My comments still stand.
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Anybody with basic knowledge of manufacturing & mechanical engineering would have told you that vendors, processes , quality standards etc , change when you move from one material to another ( e.g. cast iron to aluminium ).
This is not the first time that external consultants are working with RE. Egli & AVL have worked extensively with them before. And these products have been sold in India.
If you have to quote a US blog to prove that vendors & processes have changed for a new bike / engine , that just shows the near absence of any understanding of manufacturing processes.
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Sorry but i didnt get what you are saying. RE gets the new bike machined outside of India because the quality churned out here is sub standard. Egli and others were consultants they did not manufacture the parts for RE.
Just so you know, my family runs a OEM plant for some auto manufacturers in India and abroad.
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(using the same yardstick, any one who owns a jeep also is a fool , whose money was parted easily , as he should have bought a modern offroader instead )
To end, stop judging people for the decisions they take, with their own hard earned money. If you do not find value in a product, do not buy. But that does not make others who find value , fools.
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You have turned the logic on its head and in my favour by quoting the Jeep anology. Now think about this: Mahindra starts selling a substandard product for the price of Jeep Cheerooke here in India, will you buy? Get it?
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