Yuppie! New Karizma on cards!!! EDIT- Now Launched !!

akshay4587 · 22nd September 2009, 19:02

Finally front tubeless tyre woes resolved for my Zma

though i would have preferred 90\90\18 over 80\100\18

veyron1 · 23rd September 2009, 01:04

The "upgrade" is more cosmetic than functional. Apart from the console & rear disc (which should be retro-able on the current ZMAs for about 10Gs, including the rear wheel), the new specs fail to impress.

And oh yes, the much touted performance figures. did anybody look at that company brochure? Factory claimed 126 kmph top whack & naught to 60 in 3.7. This, opposed to the 125 & 3.8 for the old one. Gawd.

What IS welcome though, is the transistor controlled ignition (TCI) that ZMR sports as opposed to CDI on the old one. Better ignition control & reliability, thanks to FI.

What would be worthwile to see is if one would get a ZMR, knock off the fairing tastefully, drop that flab & see the benefits...!

Some things that I found noteworthy:

A) No kick lever. On a Hero Honda, this still might be viable.
B) Battery capacity's gone down to 6AH instead of 7 (old)..!!?!
C) Rim widths are same @ 1.85 front & 2.15 rear...!
D) Oil cooler. Erm. No comments.
E) Fairing mounted RVMs, er...with Hero Honda's infamous plastic quality, I have my doubts WRT its longevity...
F) Rear disc. At last.
G) GRS? Top spec twin-shock suspension, but this bike still deserves a pre-load adjustable monoshock...

All said, only a detailed test shall reveal all. Hopefully, I should have some answers by this week...

P.S - Mods, kindly delete the previous post...thanks..!

Mpower · 23rd September 2009, 01:41

Pros

good looking clocks,
wind protection at high speed?
Good quality plastic, tubeless tires, good rear shocks

Cons

Not well integrated. Looks like a good old ZMA with a good quality fairing attached to it.
Does'nt look like an all new bike
Fairing looks bulky (two-tone paint will help) or maybe more graphics
18" wheels and tire are a no no
Need 17 with sports tires not the CEAT and Srichakra crap
Gold finish on fork and cases clashes with red shocks. Bad combo total mishmash.
Badly need a monoshock...otherwise paint it black to hide the rear shocks......not red!!
EFI has been dropped by Bajaj and TVS. Unless HH can do miracles it just a waste of money.
20 bhp would have been nice. not enough oomph for a 223 cc bike

Country Road · 23rd September 2009, 10:53

Hey guys, can we go on a poll. Now since the ZMA in its new avtar is here. Can we do a poll on the following bikes - P220, ZMA (old) and ZMR (new).

Mods hope this is the right place.

Gansan · 23rd September 2009, 11:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Country Road

Hey guys, can we go on a poll. Now since the ZMA in its new avtar is here. Can we do a poll on the following bikes - P220, ZMA (old) and ZMR (new).

Mods hope this is the right place.

Add the Yamaha FZ and the GS 150 R to the poll, please! I think the FZ really takes the cake among all these bikes.

Spitfire · 23rd September 2009, 11:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gansan

Add the Yamaha FZ and the GS 150 R to the poll

That's a different segment.

PatienceWins · 23rd September 2009, 11:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spitfire

That's a different segment.

That is a different segment and should not be compared with these bikes.

Country Road · 23rd September 2009, 11:57

I agree. So mods do help. How do we kick start the poll.

Gansan · 23rd September 2009, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spitfire

That's a different segment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatienceWins

That is a different segment and should not be compared with these bikes.

Do you mean by engine capacity alone or by class of bikes? I thought all of them were capable tourers.

Technocrat · 23rd September 2009, 12:06

Gansan, the 150's are not in the same league of P220, ZMA, & ZMR in anyway, be it power, CC, Torque, Price.

Btw the FZ & GS are not tourers & no adding a Fairing(Fazer) doesnt make a city bike a tourer.

As for the Poll, I think its too early to have one, most will vote for P220 for power & price & others for ZMA based on its looks & their experience.

Unless we get a few test rides or atleast detailed official pics, it wont make much sense for a Poll.

ravi@64bhp · 23rd September 2009, 12:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technocrat

Gansan, the 150's are not in the same league of P220, ZMA, & ZMR in anyway, be it power, CC, Torque, Price.

Btw the FZ & GS are not tourers & no adding a Fairing(Fazer) doesnt make a city bike a tourer.

As for the Poll, I think its too early to have one, most will vote for P220 for power & price & others for ZMA based on its looks & their experience.

Unless we get a few test rides or atleast detailed official pics, it wont make much sense for a Poll.

+1. The ZMR needs to be tested thoroughly before taking a call.

parimal_g · 23rd September 2009, 12:17

New Karizama is as good as old and as bad as old,except the Fuel Injection ,which i really doubt will help to boots the sales as Bajaj has come up with non FI bike after launch ing the 220FI earlier.Let's see how markek accepts it,one good thing is the bike has good brand loyality.
1>Instument cluster is really nice touch.
2>Head light resemblance to Gx150 and apache.
3>Why only 17.6 HP if P220 has 21 Hp even having Carb.
4>Max power at 7000 RMP am sure this bike will be very good for highway.
5>They should have upgrade the tyres also but they know without doing upgrades bike will sell.
6>hero honda is very lucky with out much modifications and only after doing stickering job their bikes sale like anything more than 4,00,000 per month, 1 engine 4 versions great cost saving.

Country Road · 23rd September 2009, 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technocrat

Gansan, the 150's are not in the same league of P220, ZMA, & ZMR in anyway, be it power, CC, Torque, Price.

Btw the FZ & GS are not tourers & no adding a Fairing(Fazer) doesnt make a city bike a tourer.

As for the Poll, I think its too early to have one, most will vote for P220 for power & price & others for ZMA based on its looks & their experience.

Unless we get a few test rides or atleast detailed official pics, it wont make much sense for a Poll.

You have a big POINT there. There should be a test ride before anyone passes judgement. Lets wait.

Technocrat · 23rd September 2009, 15:54

Here's scoop Video of the website

YouTube - Hero Honda ZMR pgm-fi

& this is probably the website which looks like still under construction

ZMR

motorpsycho · 23rd September 2009, 17:08

ZMA has always been good for touring , My last trip to Dudhsagar was on a Karizma and i enjoyed riding the bike,I crashed once in the junglesluckily with not much damage , but I will think twice going on a tour with the new one , more plastic translates into more repair cost in case of a crash.touring point of view I wonder how better is the new bike then the older version.
126 kmph top whack will not make any difference to me ,unless the bike feels very relaxed at that speeds.
Rear disc break i welcome it , better stopping power ,needed in all terrains
Real Time fuel consumption gauge. Thank you HH
The headlight is the beam better and brighter?

Fuel Injection needed only if it gives a significant increase in mileage and throttle response .

22nd September 2009, 19:02	#106
akshay4587 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chandigarh/Mohali/Ambala Cantt Posts: 4,151 Thanked: 4,525 Times View My Garage	Finally front tubeless tyre woes resolved for my Zma though i would have preferred 90\90\18 over 80\100\18
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23rd September 2009, 01:04	#107
veyron1 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,424 Thanked: 52 Times View My Garage	The "upgrade" is more cosmetic than functional. Apart from the console & rear disc (which should be retro-able on the current ZMAs for about 10Gs, including the rear wheel), the new specs fail to impress. And oh yes, the much touted performance figures. did anybody look at that company brochure? Factory claimed 126 kmph top whack & naught to 60 in 3.7. This, opposed to the 125 & 3.8 for the old one. Gawd. What IS welcome though, is the transistor controlled ignition (TCI) that ZMR sports as opposed to CDI on the old one. Better ignition control & reliability, thanks to FI. What would be worthwile to see is if one would get a ZMR, knock off the fairing tastefully, drop that flab & see the benefits...! Some things that I found noteworthy: A) No kick lever. On a Hero Honda, this still might be viable. B) Battery capacity's gone down to 6AH instead of 7 (old)..!!?! C) Rim widths are same @ 1.85 front & 2.15 rear...! D) Oil cooler. Erm. No comments. E) Fairing mounted RVMs, er...with Hero Honda's infamous plastic quality, I have my doubts WRT its longevity... F) Rear disc. At last. G) GRS? Top spec twin-shock suspension, but this bike still deserves a pre-load adjustable monoshock... All said, only a detailed test shall reveal all. Hopefully, I should have some answers by this week... P.S - Mods, kindly delete the previous post...thanks..!
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23rd September 2009, 01:41	#108
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,730 Times View My Garage	Pros good looking clocks, wind protection at high speed? Good quality plastic, tubeless tires, good rear shocks Cons Not well integrated. Looks like a good old ZMA with a good quality fairing attached to it. Does'nt look like an all new bike Fairing looks bulky (two-tone paint will help) or maybe more graphics 18" wheels and tire are a no no Need 17 with sports tires not the CEAT and Srichakra crap Gold finish on fork and cases clashes with red shocks. Bad combo total mishmash. Badly need a monoshock...otherwise paint it black to hide the rear shocks......not red!! EFI has been dropped by Bajaj and TVS. Unless HH can do miracles it just a waste of money. 20 bhp would have been nice. not enough oomph for a 223 cc bike
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23rd September 2009, 10:53	#109
Country Road BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 153 Thanked: Once	Hey guys, can we go on a poll. Now since the ZMA in its new avtar is here. Can we do a poll on the following bikes - P220, ZMA (old) and ZMR (new). Mods hope this is the right place.
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23rd September 2009, 11:57	#113
Country Road BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 153 Thanked: Once	I agree. So mods do help. How do we kick start the poll.
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23rd September 2009, 12:06	#115
Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	Gansan, the 150's are not in the same league of P220, ZMA, & ZMR in anyway, be it power, CC, Torque, Price. Btw the FZ & GS are not tourers & no adding a Fairing(Fazer) doesnt make a city bike a tourer. As for the Poll, I think its too early to have one, most will vote for P220 for power & price & others for ZMA based on its looks & their experience. Unless we get a few test rides or atleast detailed official pics, it wont make much sense for a Poll.
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23rd September 2009, 12:17	#117
parimal_g BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: MUMBAI Posts: 442 Thanked: 278 Times View My Garage	New Karizama is as good as old and as bad as old,except the Fuel Injection ,which i really doubt will help to boots the sales as Bajaj has come up with non FI bike after launch ing the 220FI earlier.Let's see how markek accepts it,one good thing is the bike has good brand loyality. 1>Instument cluster is really nice touch. 2>Head light resemblance to Gx150 and apache. 3>Why only 17.6 HP if P220 has 21 Hp even having Carb. 4>Max power at 7000 RMP am sure this bike will be very good for highway. 5>They should have upgrade the tyres also but they know without doing upgrades bike will sell. 6>hero honda is very lucky with out much modifications and only after doing stickering job their bikes sale like anything more than 4,00,000 per month, 1 engine 4 versions great cost saving.
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23rd September 2009, 17:08	#120
motorpsycho BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hubli Posts: 482 Thanked: 448 Times	ZMA has always been good for touring , My last trip to Dudhsagar was on a Karizma and i enjoyed riding the bike,I crashed once in the junglesluckily with not much damage , but I will think twice going on a tour with the new one , more plastic translates into more repair cost in case of a crash.touring point of view I wonder how better is the new bike then the older version. 126 kmph top whack will not make any difference to me ,unless the bike feels very relaxed at that speeds. Rear disc break i welcome it , better stopping power ,needed in all terrains Real Time fuel consumption gauge. Thank you HH The headlight is the beam better and brighter? Fuel Injection needed only if it gives a significant increase in mileage and throttle response .
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