Yuppie! New Karizma on cards!!! EDIT- Now Launched !!

prince_pervez · 1st July 2009, 22:46

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Originally Posted by ravi@64bhp

If the bike features technology upgrades like liquid cooling, FI, full fairinig, rear disc, projector lamps, etc, the price definitely would above 1 lac. But still, it sells.

Quite possible. Then they would also most likely retain the old ZMA to compete with BAL and TVS. The new one priced at nearly 1L will make Yam think.

thiyags22 · 2nd July 2009, 10:40

One can never be sure till the product is launched. I got so excited about the Karizma-R or whatever and see what happened.

RX135 · 2nd July 2009, 11:07

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Originally Posted by heavy_foot

I guess you are terribly mistaken Karizma was launched in 2003 and the new CBZ came out in 2007. Does anyone have more info about the new Karizma?

Well, I don't think I am "terribly" mistaken.

Karizma of 2003 is 7 years old now, splendor was launched sometime in 1994 and CBZ was launched sometime around 1999-2000 (I used to drive one back then). The new CBZ extreme is nothing but cosmetic job on top of old CBZ. Bajaj has come out with probably 3 generations of P150 and more models in terms of P180, P200, P220 FI and new P220 (BTW, even in remotest fantasies, I am not a fan of Bajaj).

I really look forward to see how long Hero Honda survives with their "All new" sticker jobs. Even the most disappointing of last decade, Yamaha, has waken up with R15 and FZ16.

prince_pervez · 2nd July 2009, 11:21

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Originally Posted by thiyags22

One can never be sure till the product is launched. I got so excited about the Karizma-R or whatever and see what happened.

Very correct! But I don't see any excitement on this thread. There are more skeptical remarks than anything else, mainly due to their earlier stickering adventure.

amtak · 2nd July 2009, 11:46

All I want it to have a solid build quality. Minor falls, the handlegets bent on most HH models.

pranay · 2nd July 2009, 11:59

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Originally Posted by srikant

Thats great news, but i am doubtful of their pricing. Expect it to be in between the Pulsar 220 and R15. Apache 180 should not be a competition.

Apache 180 would be a competition peformance wise. That bike is a real hoot, and only place where it would loose out with the biggies is on the top speed front.

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Originally Posted by RX135

The new CBZ extreme is nothing but cosmetic job on top of old CBZ.

Actually, this is not true. The engine is a different engine than the one that was in the classic CBZ. I am not a Hero Honda fan, but I think we are counting the chicken before they hatch.

I am not sure this is the new Karizma. The wheelbase and the overall bike frame seems smaller than the existing ZMA. Infact, I am not sure this is a Hero Honda product. This also could be the new 150 Honda that was being speculated.

Technocrat · 2nd July 2009, 12:17

Pranay is right CBZ Xtreme has nothing to do with the earlier CBZ (Just like Zen Estillo has nothing to do with the earlier Zen

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From the pics it looks like some more body panels & rear disc.

I don't expect them to do much changes to the engine, may be some sort of tuning that's all.

EDIT: Also that last I heard Honda is still a partner of Hero in HH & their contract is till 2014

safari_lover · 2nd July 2009, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Technocrat

EDIT: Also that last I heard Honda is still a partner of Hero in HH & their contract is till 2014

Yes, Honda is still a partner and is supposed to be so till 2014. But it could all be changing soon according to this report on ET here.

amtak · 2nd July 2009, 16:20

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Originally Posted by safari_lover

Yes, Honda is still a partner and is supposed to be so till 2014. But it could all be changing soon according to this report on ET here.

I am sure HH has plans in place. They are nothing without the Honda name. They would have to work their way up again just the way TVS had to do.

balenopower · 2nd July 2009, 18:53

The handle bar seems lower, but the comfy touring position is still retained. The gas shox seem to be from the hunk. Finally a rear disc as well. Expect a bump in power as well. Rumor has it that it will now be a 250. This is definitely more than a sticker job. HH has finally woken, whether its too late or not we'll find out soon!

heavy_foot · 2nd July 2009, 21:29

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Originally Posted by RX135

Well, I don't think I am "terribly" mistaken.

The new CBZ extreme is nothing but cosmetic job on top of old CBZ.

There you go again, as mentioned by others CBZ extreme shares nothing with the old CBZ other than the name. Infact if i am not wrong it is the same ultra refined engine that goes into the Unicorn.

ravi@64bhp · 2nd July 2009, 23:06

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Originally Posted by heavy_foot

There you go again, as mentioned by others CBZ extreme shares nothing with the old CBZ other than the name. Infact if i am not wrong it is the same ultra refined engine that goes into the Unicorn.

The engine blocks of Unicorn, Hunk, Achiever, and CBZ Xtreme are same. The state of tune is different in Hunk and Xtreme.

Gansan · 3rd July 2009, 06:45

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Originally Posted by ravi@64bhp

The engine blocks of Unicorn, Hunk, Achiever, and CBZ Xtreme are same. The state of tune is different in Hunk and Xtreme.

But to my knowledge the CBZ never delivered mileage of the Unicorn.

Technocrat · 3rd July 2009, 12:06

Yes becasue both the Hunk & Xtreme are tuned differently, if you see the spec sheets of all three bikes they are different from each other.

Ajaybiz · 3rd July 2009, 13:48

Why not CBX250 Twister, heard about VT250 from Honda itself

2nd July 2009, 10:40	#17
thiyags22 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Madras / Bangalore Posts: 148 Thanked: 19 Times	One can never be sure till the product is launched. I got so excited about the Karizma-R or whatever and see what happened.
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amtak Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai - The city of Sea Link!!! Posts: 2,914 Thanked: 899 Times View My Garage	All I want it to have a solid build quality. Minor falls, the handlegets bent on most HH models.
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Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	Pranay is right CBZ Xtreme has nothing to do with the earlier CBZ (Just like Zen Estillo has nothing to do with the earlier Zen ) From the pics it looks like some more body panels & rear disc. I don't expect them to do much changes to the engine, may be some sort of tuning that's all. EDIT: Also that last I heard Honda is still a partner of Hero in HH & their contract is till 2014 Last edited by Technocrat : 2nd July 2009 at 12:27.
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balenopower BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 957 Thanked: 465 Times View My Garage	The handle bar seems lower, but the comfy touring position is still retained. The gas shox seem to be from the hunk. Finally a rear disc as well. Expect a bump in power as well. Rumor has it that it will now be a 250. This is definitely more than a sticker job. HH has finally woken, whether its too late or not we'll find out soon!
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Technocrat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GTA Posts: 14,813 Thanked: 2,700 Times	Yes becasue both the Hunk & Xtreme are tuned differently, if you see the spec sheets of all three bikes they are different from each other.
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