Indian Two Wheelers that flopped

deepclutch · 19th August 2009, 11:25

what about bajaj's 4 stroke scooter? Bajaj Legend?wasn't it a flop ?suzuki shaolin was a flop.

Hemanth · 19th August 2009, 14:24

Have anybody seen the Yezdi Fire and Flame which were imported by Ideal Jawa and sold in India. I have seen one model each which were driven by Palestanian students in Mysore during 1994-95

five46 · 19th August 2009, 16:25

Add LML Pulse - a 75cc geared scooter to the list.

Indian Two Wheelers that flopped-milml2.jpg

Was quite a machine though, had rode one.

bantejas · 19th August 2009, 16:53

One more to add to, a moped named Kinetic Swift. I have no clue what made my dad buy that in fact, though it served us for 16 yrs!

Technocrat · 19th August 2009, 17:56

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Originally Posted by five46

Add LML Pulse - a 75cc geared scooter to the list.
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Was quite a machine though, had rode one.

Want this called PL175 or PL75?

yzfrj · 19th August 2009, 18:19

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Originally Posted by Live To Jive

Yamaha RXG, Crux, Libero

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Originally Posted by anjan_c2007

Perhaps all their models but for the RD 350, RX 100, RX135 and now the FZ 16, FZS and maybe the Fazer were not successes. Even the R15 is losing its sheen now!

I'm not sure why "ALL" Yamaha models should be considered as Failures.

Yes, I'm biased because I have a Yamaha for the last 12 Years.
Primary reason for the "death" of all the 2 strokers were the emission norms.

Yamaha models (except a few Crux is one of them) was never supposed to be a bike for the masses, its for that group of people who are willing to sacrifice economy for performance.

Calling "ALL" Yamaha as dud's is really illogical.
They cater the needs of the targeted users.

R15 is the last example.
So calling it a failure is stupid.
Just look at the India racing circuits if you need clarification.

Coming back to the topic.

Hero Honda Sleek
Enfield Diesel (Taurus was the name I think)
Suzuki Shaloine

prince_pervez · 19th August 2009, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live To Jive

Yamaha RXG, Crux, Libero

Libero was a pain to look at. Those headlights were

Crux was actually doing well in Pune atleast.
It used to return some amazing mileage figures.

RVD · 19th August 2009, 20:06

I guess no one has yet mentioned Bajaj Sunny which was kind of a FLOP but a lot of fun to ride if you were 12 and your uncle left the keys at home accidentally

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Actually, my uncle seemed to like all the flops..He also the Avanti scooter. Boy, was it a bone shaker.

fieroid · 19th August 2009, 21:30

A few flops in the Indian scene from the 90s were the following,

TVS
* TVS Spectra - Superb engine and build, but pricing and advertising killed it
* TVS centra - crap
* TVS 50 XT
* TVS Super Champ 60
* TVS Asta 60
* TVS Sport
* TVS Victor GLX 125
* TVS champ 50 (not 60)
* TVS Express
* TVS suzuki Supra Power-up
* TVS suzuki Shaolin

Bajaj
* Bajaj M80 4-s
* Bajaj Eliminator 175
* Bajaj Aspire
* Bajaj Caliber croma
* Bajaj Spirit
* Bajaj wave
* Bajaj Saffire
* Bajaj Caliber 115
* Bajaj KB125
* Bajaj Prowler 125
* Bajaj Sunny / zip
* Bajaj Chetak 4s
* Bajaj Super FE
* Bajaj Rave
* Bajaj BYK
* Bajaj Legend
* Bajaj Stride
* Bajaj Bravo
* Bajaj Krystal
and some more

Kinetic
* Kinetic Campus Chill 100
* Kinetic K4100
* Kinetic Safari V2
* Kinetic Pride v2
* Kinetic 110 ZX
* Kinetic 4S
* Kinetic Boss
* Kinetic Challenger
* Kinetic Velocity
* Kinetic strike
* Kinetic Blaze 165
* Kinetic GF125
* Kinetic GF 175 sport/city
* Kinetic Style
and a few more

LML
LML Adreno
LML Energy
LML Adreno FX
LML Energy FX
LML Supremo
LML Select II
LML Freedom
LML Graptor
LML Beamer
LML Freedom prima
LML Freedom DLX
LML Trendy

Yamaha
Yamaha RD350
Yamaha RXG
Yamaha RXZ 4-speed
Yamaha RX 5-speed
Yamaha Alba
Yamaha Enticer
Yamaha YBX
Yamaha YD 125
Yamaha Fazer 125
Yamaha Gladiator version 1

will update the rest later....

Cheers,

Joel

Penno · 20th August 2009, 01:34

Bajaj Eliminator ? I think that bike was really really good . It feels sad to have that bike a flops list . Although it was over priced ( arnd 85k ? ) goin by its time , it was quite fair for a power of 15bhp 8yrs back .
May be 80k for a bike during that time was quite a lot and thats the reason pple buy avengers n not the so called " eli's " those days .

Wat do u guys think ?

ananthkamath · 20th August 2009, 04:29

Internal snippet from TVS when I used to work there: There will never be another TVS with a name ending in "ra" cause their most spectacular failures had such names:

Astra
Supra
Spectra
Centra

All of these were spectacular only in the way they failed in the market. All but the centra were ahead of their time, all had major mechanical issues, and all were launched using a prominent celebrity of the time (or at least so I remember)

Nitrous Power · 20th August 2009, 06:21

Kawasaki Eliminator? AFAIK, Eliminator was never a flop as It was never intended to sell in big numbers by Bajaj, rather it was a brand building exercise ahead of Pulsar's lunch. Even the engine along with lot of other parts were imported directly from Kawasaki. And what, It did the job of building up the brand image for Bajaj as a bike manufacture.

musicmanaman · 20th August 2009, 06:31

Does any one here know about Enfield MOFA, I had one. It had a 22cc engine I believe and it was my first bike.

five46 · 20th August 2009, 11:15

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Originally Posted by Technocrat

Want this called PL175 or PL75?

AFAIK, it was sold only as the 'Pulse - Rhythm of Life', so said the decals.

Another LMLs that bombed were the LML Smart and LML Prithvi.

The Bajaj Discover came in millions of avatars like Discover 110, Discover 125, Discover 135, and now the Discover 100. Although the Discover sold in decent numbers, I think some versions've failed.

RVD · 20th August 2009, 11:55

Hero puch automatic ( I think it was called the "stepmatic" ) was a big flop. The 2G and the SHAKTI did decent business though.

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deepclutch Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Muvattupuzha Posts: 1,165 Thanked: 162 Times	what about bajaj's 4 stroke scooter? Bajaj Legend?wasn't it a flop ?suzuki shaolin was a flop.
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Hemanth BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mysore Posts: 193 Thanked: 4 Times	Have anybody seen the Yezdi Fire and Flame which were imported by Ideal Jawa and sold in India. I have seen one model each which were driven by Palestanian students in Mysore during 1994-95
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five46 BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: L-O-S-T!! Posts: 636 Thanked: 714 Times	Add LML Pulse - a 75cc geared scooter to the list. Was quite a machine though, had rode one.
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19th August 2009, 16:53	#49
bantejas BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 273 Thanked: 30 Times	one more One more to add to, a moped named Kinetic Swift. I have no clue what made my dad buy that in fact, though it served us for 16 yrs!
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19th August 2009, 20:06	#53
RVD BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: BANGALORE Posts: 156 Thanked: 290 Times	I guess no one has yet mentioned Bajaj Sunny which was kind of a FLOP but a lot of fun to ride if you were 12 and your uncle left the keys at home accidentally . Actually, my uncle seemed to like all the flops..He also the Avanti scooter. Boy, was it a bone shaker.
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19th August 2009, 21:30	#54
fieroid BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: bangalore Posts: 706 Thanked: 304 Times	A few flops in the Indian scene from the 90s were the following, TVS * TVS Spectra - Superb engine and build, but pricing and advertising killed it * TVS centra - crap * TVS 50 XT * TVS Super Champ 60 * TVS Asta 60 * TVS Sport * TVS Victor GLX 125 * TVS champ 50 (not 60) * TVS Express * TVS suzuki Supra Power-up * TVS suzuki Shaolin Bajaj * Bajaj M80 4-s * Bajaj Eliminator 175 * Bajaj Aspire * Bajaj Caliber croma * Bajaj Spirit * Bajaj wave * Bajaj Saffire * Bajaj Caliber 115 * Bajaj KB125 * Bajaj Prowler 125 * Bajaj Sunny / zip * Bajaj Chetak 4s * Bajaj Super FE * Bajaj Rave * Bajaj BYK * Bajaj Legend * Bajaj Stride * Bajaj Bravo * Bajaj Krystal and some more Kinetic * Kinetic Campus Chill 100 * Kinetic K4100 * Kinetic Safari V2 * Kinetic Pride v2 * Kinetic 110 ZX * Kinetic 4S * Kinetic Boss * Kinetic Challenger * Kinetic Velocity * Kinetic strike * Kinetic Blaze 165 * Kinetic GF125 * Kinetic GF 175 sport/city * Kinetic Style and a few more LML LML Adreno LML Energy LML Adreno FX LML Energy FX LML Supremo LML Select II LML Freedom LML Graptor LML Beamer LML Freedom prima LML Freedom DLX LML Trendy Yamaha Yamaha RD350 Yamaha RXG Yamaha RXZ 4-speed Yamaha RX 5-speed Yamaha Alba Yamaha Enticer Yamaha YBX Yamaha YD 125 Yamaha Fazer 125 Yamaha Gladiator version 1 will update the rest later.... Cheers, Joel
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20th August 2009, 01:34	#55
Penno Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 21 Thanked: 0 Times	Bajaj Eliminator ? I think that bike was really really good . It feels sad to have that bike a flops list . Although it was over priced ( arnd 85k ? ) goin by its time , it was quite fair for a power of 15bhp 8yrs back . May be 80k for a bike during that time was quite a lot and thats the reason pple buy avengers n not the so called " eli's " those days . Wat do u guys think ?
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20th August 2009, 04:29	#56
ananthkamath Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mangalore Posts: 1,209 Thanked: 80 Times View My Garage	Internal snippet from TVS when I used to work there: There will never be another TVS with a name ending in "ra" cause their most spectacular failures had such names: Astra Supra Spectra Centra All of these were spectacular only in the way they failed in the market. All but the centra were ahead of their time, all had major mechanical issues, and all were launched using a prominent celebrity of the time (or at least so I remember) Last edited by ananthkamath : 20th August 2009 at 04:31.
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20th August 2009, 06:21	#57
Nitrous Power BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Anand, Gujarat / Virginia Beach, US Posts: 490 Thanked: 273 Times	Kawasaki Eliminator? AFAIK, Eliminator was never a flop as It was never intended to sell in big numbers by Bajaj, rather it was a brand building exercise ahead of Pulsar's lunch. Even the engine along with lot of other parts were imported directly from Kawasaki. And what, It did the job of building up the brand image for Bajaj as a bike manufacture.
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20th August 2009, 06:31	#58
musicmanaman BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: kolkata Posts: 927 Thanked: 25 Times	Does any one here know about Enfield MOFA, I had one. It had a 22cc engine I believe and it was my first bike.
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RVD BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: BANGALORE Posts: 156 Thanked: 290 Times	Hero puch automatic ( I think it was called the "stepmatic" ) was a big flop. The 2G and the SHAKTI did decent business though.
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