[coolmel]

My Liva is nearing the 7000 mark, got the 2nd service done and tried the Toyota Diesel Injector cleaner this time. Still yet, achieving a mileage figure of 14kpl only, which includes highway and city runs. From a tankful to tankful I could barely achieve 550 odd kms. Pretty disappointing. I guess I was better off owning a petrol hatch.

[pranjal1984]

One sales guy from Gargya Toyota, Guwahati called me up today and informed that they are offering discount of Rs 30,000 on Liva only for this month. Secondly he mentioned that the warranty provided in the Liva is of 3 years or 100000 kms and that we can't extend the warranty any further.
Can anyone confirm the discount and the maximum warranty period of Liva?

[Edwardanto]

Originally Posted by coolmel

My Liva is nearing the 7000 mark, got the 2nd service done and tried the Toyota Diesel Injector cleaner this time. Still yet, achieving a mileage figure of 14kpl only, which includes highway and city runs. From a tankful to tankful I could barely achieve 550 odd kms. Pretty disappointing. I guess I was better off owning a petrol hatch.

14kmpl is low for Liva diesel for a mix of city and highway runs. I get around 16kmpl with almost 80% commute in Bangalore city and the rest on highways. I always fill to the auto cutoff point and I could cover almost 650 kms before the fuel indicator starts blinking.

[tsk1979]

Originally Posted by coolmel

My Liva is nearing the 7000 mark, got the 2nd service done and tried the Toyota Diesel Injector cleaner this time. Still yet, achieving a mileage figure of 14kpl only, which includes highway and city runs. From a tankful to tankful I could barely achieve 550 odd kms. Pretty disappointing. I guess I was better off owning a petrol hatch.

How are you driving? What speeds are you upshifting from 2nd-3rd, 3rd-4th etc.,
The liva is very sensitive if you are a rev-happy kind of guy. A spirited highway only drive will just give you 18kmpl, whereas, if you take it easy you can cross 20.

[coolmel]

Originally Posted by Edwardanto

14kmpl is low for Liva diesel for a mix of city and highway runs. I get around 16kmpl with almost 80% commute in Bangalore city and the rest on highways. I always fill to the auto cutoff point and I could cover almost 650 kms before the fuel indicator starts blinking.

Thanks for the heads up Edwardanto. Same here, on full tanks it goes 500, maximum 550 at times. I've a 100% city
commute and this is really taking me back. Any advice?

Originally Posted by tsk1979

How are you driving? What speeds are you upshifting from 2nd-3rd, 3rd-4th etc.,
The liva is very sensitive if you are a rev-happy kind of guy. A spirited highway only drive will just give you 18kmpl, whereas, if you take it easy you can cross 20.

Thank you tsk. I usually up shift at 2k rpm mark and in 5th gear post 70kph. I hear the engine working hard while in 5th gear at 60 but at 70 it gets at ease. What do you reckon could be the problem?

[sups]

Originally Posted by coolmel

My Liva is nearing the 7000 mark, got the 2nd service done and tried the Toyota Diesel Injector cleaner this time. Still yet, achieving a mileage figure of 14kpl only, which includes highway and city runs. From a tankful to tankful I could barely achieve 550 odd kms. Pretty disappointing. I guess I was better off owning a petrol hatch.

My Liva GD stands at 46K km after around 2.5 years. All of this 46K km is 100% driven inside city and 80% of the time driven by driver who is not always very kind to the machine. It has never returned less than 16.5 km/l with atleast 50% AC usage. I get consistently between 17 and 18 km/l nowadays.

[coolmel]

Originally Posted by sups

My Liva GD stands at 46K km after around 2.5 years. All of this 46K km is 100% driven inside city and 80% of the time driven by driver who is not always very kind to the machine. It has never returned less than 16.5 km/l with atleast 50% AC usage. I get consistently between 17 and 18 km/l nowadays.

Interesting. What do you suspect in my case then??

[tsk1979]

Originally Posted by coolmel

Thank you tsk. I usually up shift at 2k rpm mark and in 5th gear post 70kph. I hear the engine working hard while in 5th gear at 60 but at 70 it gets at ease. What do you reckon could be the problem?

Try shifting up at 1800 and see? For full city 100% commute in traffic petrol cars like santro give 11-12kmpl max. You should see 15kmpl with AC on all the time in full city commute with a liva diesel

[sups]

Originally Posted by coolmel

Interesting. What do you suspect in my case then??

Assuming all the mechanicals are in good health, please follow tsk's suggestion to drive it light foot for some time and check the FE. Unfortunately, we do not have a tacho in GD version, so you will have to use your judgement to upshift little early. While city driving, try to use the torque as much as possible and that will save your left foot as well. It easily crawls at 3rd gear at a speed of 20 km/hr.

[coolmel]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Try shifting up at 1800 and see? For full city 100% commute in traffic petrol cars like santro give 11-12kmpl max. You should see 15kmpl with AC on all the time in full city commute with a liva diesel

This time I managed 13.75 to be precise! I have been trying & trying full tank to full tank but sometimes get 400 kms. Miserable.

Originally Posted by sups

Assuming all the mechanicals are in good health, please follow tsk's suggestion to drive it light foot for some time and check the FE. Unfortunately, we do not have a tacho in GD version, so you will have to use your judgement to upshift little early. While city driving, try to use the torque as much as possible and that will save your left foot as well. It easily crawls at 3rd gear at a speed of 20 km/hr.

All mechanicals are in great health. I have the VD so got the tacho on me. In stop-go traffic I barely use the accelerator and let the clutch do its thing. I only drive with a heavy foot on the highway but that is so rare. 1% of the time barely!

[sups]

Originally Posted by coolmel

This time I managed 13.75 to be precise!

Thats very unusual. It seems you have tried out few things already. So, don't want to give any suggestions. Please have your car thoroughly checked with toyota. Would be very interested to know the outcome.

PS: Just noted that you also moved from a Getz, just like me.

[coolmel]

Originally Posted by sups

Thats very unusual. It seems you have tried out few things already. So, don't want to give any suggestions. Please have your car thoroughly checked with toyota. Would be very interested to know the outcome.

Already did. The injector purchase was their idea. Now post this new tankful I will go to them and see what they have to say. What can they do? Tune the engine or something?

[lamborghini]

Originally Posted by coolmel

Already did. The injector purchase was their idea. Now post this new tankful I will go to them and see what they have to say. What can they do? Tune the engine or something?

I notice you're from Mumbai - What is your typical route and timings?
Was the Getz also driven in the same route, and what FE did it deliver?

As a Mumbai guy, with the car crawling in city traffic, I used to be very happy getting 14kmpl in the Fiesta and Toyota - both known for their frugal nature
To be honest, 7,000kms and second service would mean that 1 year is up? If so, is your running very low or requires starting and switching off the car often? I have noticed diesels giving better fuel economy on long runs, and generally don't warm up as quick as petrols - so maybe that is why?

[coolmel]

Originally Posted by sups

Thats very unusual. It seems you have tried out few things already. So, don't want to give any suggestions. Please have your car thoroughly checked with toyota. Would be very interested to know the outcome.

PS: Just noted that you also moved from a Getz, just like me.

Originally Posted by lamborghini

I notice you're from Mumbai - What is your typical route and timings?
Was the Getz also driven in the same route, and what FE did it deliver?

As a Mumbai guy, with the car crawling in city traffic, I used to be very happy getting 14kmpl in the Fiesta and Toyota - both known for their frugal nature
To be honest, 7,000kms and second service would mean that 1 year is up? If so, is your running very low or requires starting and switching off the car often? I have noticed diesels giving better fuel economy on long runs, and generally don't warm up as quick as petrols - so maybe that is why?

My route and timings are always varying. Sometimes in peak and sometimes off peak. The Getz also did the same duty BUT I had to literally work the gear box all the time to achieve a good FE. The best it gave was 10 kph and sometimes 12 if it was in a good mood. It sipped fuel like anything! Hyundai made me suffer a hell lot.

Either ways Mumbai is always choked. Yes, 1 year is up and the running maxes out at 500-600 kms a month. I reckon you are right. But the only times I switch it off is only if the signal is long, otherwise its on( Sorry but I am unable to deploy fuel saving techniques here because our heat & humidity is just so killing! )

[lamborghini]

Originally Posted by coolmel

My route and timings are always varying. Sometimes in peak and sometimes off peak. The Getz also did the same duty BUT I had to literally work the gear box all the time to achieve a good FE. The best it gave was 10 kph and sometimes 12 if it was in a good mood. It sipped fuel like anything! Hyundai made me suffer a hell lot.

Either ways Mumbai is always choked. Yes, 1 year is up and the running maxes out at 500-600 kms a month. I reckon you are right. But the only times I switch it off is only if the signal is long, otherwise its on( Sorry but I am unable to deploy fuel saving techniques here because our heat & humidity is just so killing! )

That is probably the reason - the engine may not get warmed up by the time you reach your destination, which might impact fuel economy? In the Skoda with the temp gauge, I notice it needs 6-7kms before it reaches peak operating temperature.
I am not a technical person, but this seems a little logical - open to people correcting me on this though!

Also, typically cars in Mumbai give much lower FE than those in other cities (just based on the figures I see and hear). I know how you feel, I felt the same way when our Classic Fiesta TDCi gave 13.5-14kmpl in the city while all the 1.6 owners on the forum were getting 12-12.5 in their city. Made me wish I didn't sacrifice that 1kmpl for the superb performance of its petrol counterpart. But realistically speaking, I doubt the Fiesta 1.6 would give the same figures on my commute.

My driving style is similar to yours, except that most of the time the car is driven by the chauffeur. I will check my FE and report back as well, but don't expect it to be radically different from yours.