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Originally Posted by raul globally $25K USD gets you decent wheels, we are talking CRV, Accord, RAV 4 at x5 our income levels etc so this is not a 'cheap' segment for anyone, but the rich in wide income disparity countries.
Let's look at OTR prices Mumbai:
RXL 85 - 12 lakhs (No abs or airbags)
RXL (O) 85 - 13 lakhs (Abs + airbags + alloys)
RXL 110 - 13 lakhs (No airbags, no alloys)
RXZ 110 - 14 lakhs (Airbags, alloys, lumbar support)
RXZ 110 (O) - 14.5 lakhs (leather seats)
This is not 'cheap' for what's on offer, but then the Jetta, Laura, Yeti, Fortuner, Accord, Camry, CRV are all 'happily' overpriced too for what they offer and their pricing in global markets, value king XUV is now nearly 16 lakhs OTR for the W8 in Mumbai - is this cheap or value?
14 to 14.5 lakhs is too much money for the Duster imho and buyers will not see the money and inevitably feel a bit shortchanged. But all the awards and demand have clearly gone to Renault head. |
Agreed that globally you get quite a bit more for similar moneys.
I disagree that the Yeti is overpriced in India. It is more or less priced at the equivalent of the same price as in India for the same spec level in UK and Australia. (22 lacs: 40K AUD: 24K GBP). The Yeti being a CKD, thus, is very fairly priced in an India vs International scenario. This is one of the reasons which influenced me in plumping the cash and buying one. Indian consumers feel that they should get a larger vehicle for that kind of money but as I have said before,here,it is size and bling and features that matter, over quality, safety and other such. We are still quite an unsophisticated market which needs to evolve to be able to appreciate the concept of 'quality' over 'size and quantity'.
Ref Duster pricing: By contrast the Duster top spec fully loaded brother with many airbags and ABS and EBD and 4WD etc costs approx 14K GBP which equals 13 lacs. For this money all we get is the poor cousin the 85 bhp option pack vehicle. If one goes by this yardstick the poor Indian customer is getting ripped off by Renault, and big time because it is locally assembled,contains a good amount of localization in parts content etc. Renault is making the export spec fully loaded 4x4 Duster here and sending them to the UK and Ireland so whats the problem giving us poor joes also the same spec, at least as an option? Also, as an aside, doesn't the Duster RXZ 110 version also get ABS?
Other brands: I would like to submit seriously here that even the much vaunted Toyota Altis (15 lacs), Fortuner(29 lacs), Hyundai Santa Fe(32 lacs), VW Jetta(20 lacs), Honda CRV(30 odd lacs) Honda Civic(14 lacs) and the likes of these are all totally overpriced in India.
Come on! These are also complete rip offs here but we 'mango' people seem ever willing to fork out this kind of money! And to add insult to ones intelligence, no one here ever seems to want to hear anything against the great Japanese brands like Toyota and Honda! Reliability and all that is fine,but lets realize we are also paying top dollar for that, compared to anyone else in the world! The irritating thing about Suzuki is that they always de-spec the safety and strength of their cars for our Indian market. Things like those euro spec strong side impact beams, and other safety reinforcements are not there on the India spec SX4 for example but are mandatorily there on the 'export' spec!
We would do well to view the factual perspective that Honda and Toyota also seem to think that the Indian consumer is always going to be all forgiving on account of the great Toyota and Honda Brand names,where in fact,abroad, they are classed at the same level as Suzuki and the Koreans always get classed at a few notches below the Japanese.
Even the Mahindra Rexton - while 18 lacs or so seems a great price, why should we be forced to pay such moneys for an older generation vehicle whose dies and other factory stuff are probably all fully depreciated? It is a good quality of vehicle, yes, but it is clearly no longer good enough for the 'developed' markets and here in India they are playing a positioning game with its pricing because the flagship XUV can never hope to compete with its second cousin the Rexton in terms of quality, fit and finish.
Taking all this in perspective, yes,the XUV with all its bling, OTT styling and electronic gizmos and freaky lights etc seems like a really VFM vehicle. However, I still maintain it needs at least a year or two more to get completely sorted. I would like to get some confirmation whether the XUV sold here and the XUV sold in say,South Africa are actually exactly the same or is there an 'export' quality game being played there also? I believe that they will certainly be applying this double standard to the XUV as with most else.
Bottom line is that most of these manufacturers are making tons of hay while the sun shines and until our car mania comes down a bit and we get a little better informed across the market segments, they will continue to rip us off.