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Originally Posted by sourabhzen I also thought it over after posting that comment and realized the same thing. However, I thought only about Chevy and Tavera's use as a cab in India. Sail U-VA looks like a better product and a prospective cab.
We shall know its future in a few months after launch |
I think the Sail sedan has the potential to become a competent car for the taxi market. The big boot will have something to do with it. The U-VA on the other hand should be popular among private buyers.
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Originally Posted by dieselhead No surprises that the point the gentleman made about the Punto and Fabia was responded in a typical Team-BHP tone which seems a lil arrogant and maybe rude to me especially the 'We will include only the ones we feel' part. I personally think every car owner and TB member here would like to see his B seg hatch mentioned in a comparison.But a simple lack of real estate reason would have been enough.Anyways TB has its own way of gate keeping(yours truly a victim of this) end of the day.Love em or loath em.Or go elsewhere as it doesnt make any difference. |
Hi dieselhead
I'd like to take this opportunity to help you understand why we decided to leave out cars like the Punto, Polo, Fabia, Jazz, etc.
Let me begin with the Punto and Fabia.
Now these cars are not aimed at people who want to spend max 6-7 lakhs on a car. They are a step up in terms of build and interior quality. Heck, they will be much more expensive to maintain too, with service costs spiraling upward of 5k for every visit to the dealership. They don't offer too much space and are better off as 2nd or 3rd cars in the family garage.
In short, they aren't bang-for-buck offings.
The Punto is a worthy competitor. But Fiat struggles to sell them and the after-sales-service is frankly dismal. People who buy this car will buy it because they want to. They would not look at the other cars in the segment because this is a car you buy with your heart.
The Jazz too hasn't got the numbers against its name. If it had a diesel heart, it would have made ample sense to chart out a comparo. But it doesn't. How many people are interested in spending 8 lakhs on a petrol hatchback these days?
In a nutshell, we're experiencing a phase in the hatchback market where nearly 5 hatch-segments have been created to cater to the needs and different priorities of various buyers. We have entry level hatchbacks comprising of the Eon, Alto 800, Santro, etc. A step up from those cars would be the likes of the Brio, i10, Beat etc. These cars are of nearly the same size but offer more equipment and other engine / transmission options (The Beat and Brio / i10 respectively).
And then we get into large hatch territory. This segment has been effectively divided into two. Premium hatchbacks like the i20, Polo, Fabia, Swift (top-end), etc have massive levels of equipment on offer, but they're priced accordingly too. I highly doubt you'd get any of these diesel cars for under 8 lakhs in some cities.
This left the segment with a massive void that's now occupied by what you'd call 'budget hatchbacks'. In theory, they're similar to entry-level hatchbacks like the Alto-800, Eon etc, but they're entry-level hatchbacks that round up the bottom half of the premium-hatch segment. Basically, they offer similar or more space than premium hatchbacks but are priced in such a way that they cater to those who want a VFM product. The Figo, Etios Liva and now the Sail U-VA fall into this bracket. We could also consider the cheaper variants of the Swift in this, but the Swift has a cult following here.
There are cars that straddle two segments like the Swift, the Micra and Pulse.
These cars are aimed at a different customer base altogether. People who want decent levels of equipment and accommodating interiors without having to spend in excess of 8 lakhs will look at these cars and not the premium hatchbacks that cost much more.
Comparing budget hatchbacks to premium hatchbacks is as redundant as comparing the Superb to the C-Class. Hope you get the drift.
As GTO had also mentioned, it makes more sense to compare the Sail to its direct competitors and it has quite a few. If it did not have direct competitors, then we could have included the Polo and the Fabia. We cannot make a list comprising of 10 hatchbacks that fall in the 5-10 lakh range. That makes it a skewed comparison without any real direction.
Also, I'd like to mention that your tone is not appreciated. A cordial method of communication will go a long way in ensuring that your point / opinion is put across, especially to those who you haven't met or don't know personally. Here in Team-BHP, members are expected to adhere to certain rules. They're quite simple really.
Why don't you take another look (Expected Posting Etiquette).