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Originally Posted by Hemant_Joshi
(Post 3459250)
I am veering towards - EcoBoost and Titanium or Titanium (O) at that.
In couple of posts - there was a reference to Downshifting a lot for In-City driving for EcoBoost, just curious - is it with the Car or Driving style..road conditions.,
I drive Getz GLS - 1.3 P, very solid car, but NOT Peppy and with a heavy steering in city driving,
I feel, I should go for something which is more quicker than Getz, and definitely with a lighter steering,, |
Hello Hemant,
As you'll see in my signature, I own a Getz 1.3 and an EcoSport EcoBoost.
If ever there is one criticism of the EcoBoost's gearbox, it would be this: The 2nd gear is geared too high:
- When you cross a speed-breaker, you cannot easily take off in second, you need to wait for the turbo to spool up in 1-2 seconds since the rpm will have dropped below 1500 rpm
- Conversely, you can hit 80 km/h in second at just 5000 rpm
I really believe Ford should have geared the 2nd gear lower, since 3rd is also equally powerful for building up a lot of speed in a hurry.
The Getz is very torquey, and that makes you drive it in a very chilled out way - and the torque helps you pull away in 2nd or 3rd compared to other hatchbacks. You'll definitely notice a difference compared to the Getz if you go for the EcoBoost engine.
I still regularly use my Getz in the city, and in terms of engine tractability
in traffic, the Getz still holds its own or even outshines the EcoBoost.
However, on a clear stretch of road, the EcoBoost really comes alive and outstrips the Getz.
General opinion is the 1.5P manual is pleasant to drive - while it won't thrill you outright (like the 1.6P in the Classic or the EcoBoost), its a very competent & fuss-free engine.
Sadly, I've not driven the 1.5P MT, so I cannot offer any comparison between that and the EcoBoost.
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Originally Posted by arunphilip
(Post 3461339)
If ever there is one criticism of the EcoBoost's gearbox, it would be this: The 2nd gear is geared too high: |
This, I have come to see in a lot of cars. The reason why they do it is to get better 0-100kmph timings during reviews. To avoid a gear change to third, they try to achieve 100kmph in the second gear itself, because the time taken to change the gear to third will degrade the 0-100 timing.
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Originally Posted by arunphilip
(Post 3461339)
General opinion is the 1.5P manual is pleasant to drive - while it won't thrill you outright (like the 1.6P in the Classic or the EcoBoost), its a very competent & fuss-free engine.
Sadly, I've not driven the 1.5P MT, so I cannot offer any comparison between that and the EcoBoost. |
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Originally Posted by dsunn
(Post 3459416)
. The Ecoboost also claims to be about 10-15% more fuel efficient than it 1.5 TIVCT. But given the fact that my daily commute is around 11kms in city traffic |
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Originally Posted by Hemant_Joshi
(Post 3460670)
Thinking I will go for another test drive - Diesel - My current running does not justify a diesel, and had made up my mind to go for Petrol, But, am now in dual mind - to go for Diesel. The initial 1 lakh or bit more investment is not much of a concern, but, am thinking - if its justified |
Hi, i own a 1.5P for almost 10 months now (shame! that i haven't been able to write a good review so far). I can confirm the following :
1. It is indeed pleasure to drive. It doesn't feel slow in most situations (including normal speed overtakes) however one has to really strain the engine to overtake on steep/hilly roads. If one intends to use it in city and NHs then it wouldn't disappoint
2. Slowest of the lot - True when compared to the 1.5D and ecoboost it is slower
3. Most efficient from the lot - surprising but true; mine consistently delivers 17-18 kmpl (best 21kmpl so far) in city driving conditions whereas most diesel users are at 14-15kmpl. Ecoboost numbers are much lower - SC guys tell me its in the range of 10 -12 kmpl
I was in the same love me(petrol) - love me not(diesel) situation while booking the vehicle. To decide, i had put a spreadsheet comparing ROI at 14kmpl on petrol vs 16 kmpl on diesel - with 1200 kms/month use i was breaking even( if i were to chose diesel) in the 5th year hence decided to go for petrol.
I absolutely love the car; efficiency numbers keep reassuring me of my decision to buy 1.5P
Happy to answer any questions
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Originally Posted by Rajiv0909
(Post 3461423)
3. Most efficient from the lot - surprising but true; mine consistently delivers 17-18 kmpl (best 21kmpl so far) in city driving conditions whereas most diesel users are at 14-15kmpl. Ecoboost numbers are much lower - SC guys tell me its in the range of 10 -12 kmpl |
You are getting 17-18kmpl :Shockked: how is that possible? I drive an ecoboost and i get around 13-14kmpl. My driving is mostly on the highways in ratio 70:30. Its excellent if you are getting such a good mileage.
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Originally Posted by Rajiv0909
(Post 3461423)
. Most efficient from the lot - surprising but true; mine consistently delivers 17-18 kmpl (best 21kmpl so far) in city driving conditions whereas most diesel users are at 14-15kmpl. Ecoboost numbers are much lower - SC guys tell me its in the range of 10 -12 kmpl |
17-18 in city? Have you calculated those figures by tankful method? Look unbelievable. If true it certainly makes a great case for itself.
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Originally Posted by Rajiv0909
(Post 3461423)
3. Most efficient from the lot - surprising but true; mine consistently delivers 17-18 kmpl (best 21kmpl so far) in city driving conditions whereas most diesel users are at 14-15kmpl. Ecoboost numbers are much lower - SC guys tell me its in the range of 10 -12 kmpl |
I too drive a 1.5p manual and the mileage indicator has never crossed 9.9kmpl :Frustrati
95% city driving and A/C all the time 2700 kms done, fuel shell high grade always.
But all this pain disappears when my black panther gets all the attention on the road.:D
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Originally Posted by arunphilip
(Post 3461339)
As you'll see in my signature, I own a Getz 1.3 and an EcoSport EcoBoost.
If ever there is one criticism of the EcoBoost's gearbox, it would be this: The 2nd gear is geared too high: - When you cross a speed-breaker, you cannot easily take off in second, you need to wait for the turbo to spool up in 1-2 seconds since the rpm will have dropped below 1500 rpm
- Conversely, you can hit 80 km/h in second at just 5000 rpm
I really believe Ford should have geared the 2nd gear lower, since 3rd is also equally powerful for building up a lot of speed in a hurry.
The Getz is very torquey, and that makes you drive it in a very chilled out way - and the torque helps you pull away in 2nd or 3rd compared to other hatchbacks. You'll definitely notice a difference compared to the Getz if you go for the EcoBoost engine.
I still regularly use my Getz in the city, and in terms of engine tractability in traffic, the Getz still holds its own or even outshines the EcoBoost.
However, on a clear stretch of road, the EcoBoost really comes alive and outstrips the Getz.
General opinion is the 1.5P manual is pleasant to drive - while it won't thrill you outright (like the 1.6P in the Classic or the EcoBoost), its a very competent & fuss-free engine.
Sadly, I've not driven the 1.5P MT, so I cannot offer any comparison between that and the EcoBoost. |
Hai Arun,
Thanks for addressing the Getz VS EcoSports in City driving conditions - that helps,,
I am not any expert to understand finer nuances of different cars,, I really take time to get to know things. A few KMS of Test drive cannot be adequate to judge/differentiate for me,,
I Could not test drive 1.5 P MT, And there are NOT many reviews of same here.
Was not comfortable with Diesel - its my problem - not used to Diesel and the test drive did not last more than 3 KMS, taking another shot in next week or so, before deciding - will defnitely be a longer test drive..
Wifey is adamant on going for Diesel this time,
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Originally Posted by Rajiv0909
(Post 3461423)
Hi, i own a 1.5P for almost 10 months now (shame! that i haven't been able to write a good review so far). I can confirm the following :
1. It is indeed pleasure to drive. It doesn't feel slow in most situations (including normal speed overtakes) however one has to really strain the engine to overtake on steep/hilly roads. If one intends to use it in city and NHs then it wouldn't disappoint
2. Slowest of the lot - True when compared to the 1.5D and ecoboost it is slower
3. Most efficient from the lot - surprising but true; mine consistently delivers 17-18 kmpl (best 21kmpl so far) in city driving conditions whereas most diesel users are at 14-15kmpl. Ecoboost numbers are much lower - SC guys tell me its in the range of 10 -12 kmpl
I was in the same love me(petrol) - love me not(diesel) situation while booking the vehicle. To decide, i had put a spreadsheet comparing ROI at 14kmpl on petrol vs 16 kmpl on diesel - with 1200 kms/month use i was breaking even( if i were to chose diesel) in the 5th year hence decided to go for petrol.
I absolutely love the car; efficiency numbers keep reassuring me of my decision to buy 1.5P
Happy to answer any questions
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One of very members with 1.5 Petrol MT, Please provide a brief write up, if not a review. Not much feedback on the real world FE of Ecosport 1.5 Petrol,
Also, a general FE of 11/12 - either for 1.5 P - MT or Ecoboost is a concern for me,, My Getz never returned more than 11, and I am expecting atleast 13/14 from my new car.
17/18 KMPL is super efficient., seriously You must either drive extremely well to extract that kind of average, or, something special with your particular car,
Will work on the comparison Excel - have downloaded from TBHP and Zigwheels,,
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Originally Posted by ToyotaFan
(Post 3461489)
17-18 in city? Have you calculated those figures by tankful method? Look unbelievable. If true it certainly makes a great case for itself. |
Tankful;Tank almost empty :D and through OBD+torque app - have tried all 3.
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Originally Posted by shivkumar19
(Post 3461512)
I too drive a 1.5p manual and the mileage indicator has never crossed 9.9kmpl :Frustrati
95% city driving and A/C all the time 2700 kms done, fuel shell high grade always.
But all this pain disappears when my black panther gets all the attention on the road.:D |
This pain would disappear with time (miles). I started with 11 kmpl @ 99% AC; it started inching upwards after 6000 kms. In the interim please try tankful method as the default indicators could be misleading.
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Originally Posted by Hemant_Joshi
(Post 3461541)
One of very members with 1.5 Petrol MT, Please provide a brief write up, if not a review. Not much feedback on the real world FE of Ecosport 1.5 Petrol,
Also, a general FE of 11/12 - either for 1.5 P - MT or Ecoboost is a concern for me,, My Getz never returned more than 11, and I am expecting atleast 13/14 from my new car.
17/18 KMPL is super efficient., seriously You must either drive extremely well to extract that kind of average, or, something special with your particular car,
Will work on the comparison Excel - have downloaded from TBHP and Zigwheels,, |
I don't believe it could be due to driving skills; our city (Pune) doesn't provide opportunity to experiment:Frustrati
The only thing different about my car has been the use of tires - over the 15K kms that i have done on ecosport, i have had the opportunity to try 3 different tire variations : 15/195/65 (MRF) ; 16/215/60 (Bridgestone) and 16/205/60 (Goodyear).
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Originally Posted by Rajiv0909
(Post 3461423)
Hi, i own a 1.5P for almost 10 months now (shame! that i haven't been able to write a good review so far). I can confirm the following : |
Incredible Mileage! My ES AT has crossed 5000kms and gives 11km/litre consistently in the city with full time AC. Highway mileage is 16km/litre again with full AC. No where near your figures.
If one is looking for ES for driving around in the city, look no further than 1.5P version - it will be the most pleasurable to drive. For mixed use and high mileage go for 1.5D. For performance on highways - go for Ecoboost.
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Originally Posted by shivkumar19
(Post 3461512)
mileage indicator has never crossed 9.9kmpl :Frustrati
95% city driving and A/C all the time 2700 kms done, fuel shell high grade always. |
I am pretty sure, your fuel is the culprit here. Most people would disagree with what I am saying but I always get poorer mileage on Shell Premium/ Speed and the likes (on different vehicles).
Thankyou for summing up,:)
Will go for another test drive this weekend, plan to book by 1st week of July. Mostly Diesel 1.5 MT Titanium, promised delivery is 45 to 60 days.
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Originally Posted by Anuraj Ennai
(Post 3461718)
If one is looking for ES for driving around in the city, look no further than 1.5P version - it will be the most pleasurable to drive. For mixed use and high mileage go for 1.5D. For performance on highways - go for Ecoboost. |
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Originally Posted by Rajiv0909
(Post 3461423)
3. Most efficient from the lot - surprising but true; mine consistently delivers 17-18 kmpl (best 21kmpl so far) in city driving conditions whereas most diesel users are at 14-15kmpl. Ecoboost numbers are much lower - SC guys tell me its in the range of 10 -12 kmpl |
What? :Shockked:
I've been driving my Ecosport 1.5 P Manual Transmission since August last year, done >11000 kms. The best mileage I've got is a bit more than 14 kmpl on highways without the AC turned on and speeds <100 kmph without redlining the engine with 3-4 passengers and a decent luggage (tank full to tank full method quite a few times). In city, the mileage on an average is 12-13 kmpl with/without the AC turned on.
Moreover, Ford claims the ARAI figures for the 1.5P as 15.8 kmpl. I believe there are two cases.
Case 1: Either your driving style is too good (better than the ARAI testing technique). In that case I recommend offering your Ecosport to Ford India for a test of exceptional mileage.
Case 2: Or the app/method you are using might have some bugs.
My advice while driving a 1.5 P manual? The AC kills the pick up. Keep it revving above 2000 RPM and you'll be clap:, otherwise trust me, you'll be disappointed.
Just adding to the petrol comparison my Ecoboost is giving me 14.5kmpl steady on highway and about 12.5-13 kmpl in city , have driven about 7k km. I am not a sedate driver and highway speeds are in the region of 110-120 kmph. Only care I take is my accelerations are gentle, I hardly floor the throttle.
But believe me Ecoboost is a hoot to drive on the highway.
Another query, I am in-between my drive from Odissa to Leh. I need to to do my 2nd service enroute. Can anyone tell me how much time it takes to do the second service, will help me plan my itenary. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by techfreak
(Post 3462550)
Just adding to the petrol comparison my Ecoboost is giving me 14.5kmpl steady on highway and about 12.5-13 kmpl in city , have driven about 7k km. I am not a sedate driver and highway speeds are in the region of 110-120 kmph. Only care I take is my accelerations are gentle, I hardly floor the throttle.
But believe me Ecoboost is a hoot to drive on the highway.
Another query, I am in-between my drive from Odissa to Leh. I need to to do my 2nd service enroute. Can anyone tell me how much time it takes to do the second service, will help me plan my itenary. Thanks. |
If you reach early enough, the service per se doesn't take too long. You should be done in about 3-4 hours, say 9am-1pm. The second service is a general checkup, oil change and wheel alignment as far as I remember. Unless, you have specific complaints, shouldn't take too long.
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Originally Posted by techfreak
(Post 3462550)
Can anyone tell me how much time it takes to do the second service, will help me plan my itenary. Thanks. |
It depends on where you get it done. If it is a metro city and its a weekend, getting your car serviced (that too without a booking) will be a nightmare. Prefer a weekday and/or a ASS that is in the outskirts of a metro. The washing, polishing, engine oil & filter change, cleaning of air filter & general check-up will be done in less than 4 hours if there is no waiting time.
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