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The real test for ANY car is the 'TD vehicle'. Reason why -- that car undergoes the highest torture, changes millions hands, gets to witness a wide spectrum of drivers and driving style so the car that holds good even after the "TD car" label will be good when it reaches the real owner (single hand) who won't abuse the car to its limits. Quote:
Your requirements and his requirements could be different; The roads you travel vs the road he takes could be different; The feel good factor will be differing from person to person; Ways to judge the car so as to decide whether to purchase it not differs so what I mean to say is, there is no harm in saying Ciaz is better than City or City is better than the Ciaz. It is just one's own opinion and decision. Quote:
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AFAIK, the Ciaz is a good effort to break the ice to enter the segment. This car drives well and looks good too, no doubt about it. Quote:
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I am in no way offended by anyone's opinion,but have the right to disagree. I am very satisfied with my city as of now(like thousands of other owners) and loving each and every mile I am spending with it ☺ Ciaz in itself is a good car and I am planning to take a test drive soon 😊 | |
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PS: In this context you can consider me unbiased, I hate all diesels equally (except the Cruze) ![]() | |
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Yes, as somebody said in the post, TD cars are the only ones which we can do a test drive. However, we can get only an overview of the performance and comfort factors from the TD cars but definitely not a complete picture. Especially when we compare cars of different manufacturers either all should be equally well maintained or ill maintained. Since this is not practically possible, it would be good to professional reviews too from TBHP or others like Autocar. | |
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| ![]() The already pricy car is just going to get more heavier on the pocket , thanks to the expiry of the excise concessions. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/45760974.cms This is sad news as now the mid variants will cross the 10 L base price inviting additional taxes. ![]() Last edited by pdma : 6th January 2015 at 10:35. |
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![]() There are so many examples where all these brands like Toyota,VW and of course Honda launched vehicles with underpowered engines and we at Team-bhp did complain about them. VW Polo 1.2L 3 cylinder petrol, Toyota Corolla diesel, Honda City diesel etc. to name a few. My point is Ciaz is a well rounded package no doubt but it should have had a better diesel engine as well. I'm not going into the comparison of whether Ciaz diesel is better than City diesel or not since I haven't driven the Ciaz yet. All I can say is that for a car of its size, it should have had a 100+bhp engine to make the ride even smoother. Maruti have not had success at this segment of the market and now with Ciaz they have genuinely tried to break that jink. So I believe they could have done a bit more. Lack of their own diesel engine could be the reason. | |
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You seem to have taken my post with personal offence. I haven't meant anything of such and if my post felt offensive to you, I'm sorry for it. | |
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Another point I agree to you is on Cabin Noise. Though it was my choice to go for Honda City over the competition and I had noticed this noise at the time of TD but truly I'm really disappointed with the grunting engine noise inside the cabin. I never realised at that point that it becomes such a pain point when you drive 70kms a day. Last edited by harpreetsubhi : 7th January 2015 at 14:29. Reason: Added more information | |
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Link to TeamBHP news article for the recent refreshed swift: http://www.team-bhp.com/news/refresh...khs?model=Mg== In my opinion, both the Ciaz and the City are good cars and both have their pluses and minuses. I feel, the most biggest advantage for the Ciaz is that it runs on the Fiat-souced 1.3 Multijet and that there is a MSIL showroom/service centre at almost every other town. Another thing is that any road side mechanic maybe able to help you, if you encounter a problem. (I am not saying that the Ciaz or the City has any problems or is problem-prone, but if a problem is encountered in the Ciaz, it should be easier to fix). Another additional point to be mentioned, the Ciaz has a slightly more ARAI mileage than the diesel City (26.3kmpl vs 26kmpl) Other small but significant things, each car has its own plus; like the City having a sunroof and rather soft leather seats; and the Ciaz having pretty sweet ambient lighting, bigger and better looking alloys with wider rubber, projector headlamps and better ground clearance. PS: I have test driven the diesel City and I own a petrol City; and I have not driven neither the diesel or petrol Ciaz. I felt the petrol City has the "kick" which one looks for (mentioned by GTO in the official review) which is not present in the diesel city. If it is of any value, the diesel City which i test drove was a VX variant, and i test drove the car in March 2014, and it had about 2500kms on the ODO. The petrol City which I own has driven about 20,000kms in the past 9 months (purchased in March 2014). After the 3rd free service (done at 10000kms), the car felt like it had some more eagerness to move forward/ a better "kick" as some would put it. Quote:
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That is quite a significant difference, and not just a lack of turbo surge. Clueless with the reasons though! A bit OT- Did any of our members dyno a diesel City / Amaze? Wanted to take a look at that torque curve. Last edited by CrAzY dRiVeR : 7th January 2015 at 22:36. | |
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When I took the initial test drive of the Diesel City, the SA told me the noise is prominent because it is an all aluminium engine. However, on the positive side the aluminium engine is expected to last longer than other diesel engines. The under body coating can deaden the sound to a certain limit. However, as per many reviews the insulation for Diesel City needs to improve. The CVT do have noise filtered into the cabin during quick overtaking. However, the noise is never irritating (for me) and I find it actually exciting. Sounds like a sports car engine. | |
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Hello! Sorry for the late reply. Thanks, but I do have some outbrusts of speed and power at times. Regarding tyres, no use speaking with the SA; just keep your fingers crossed. If you do wish, you can exchange the stock tyres as soon as you get them and get a good buy-back value and you can buy Michelins in stock size or upsize to 195/60 R15. The i-VTEC engine does need some running in; but after the 3rd free service, it's more "fun to drive" as the engine fully opens up after the oil change. I wanted to mention this earlier, but I kept forgetting about it. I had been to Dubai, UAE a couple of months back and I had seen many 2014 Citys. Most of them were the mid variant automatics (no alloys); although while passing though the showroom I did see a fully loaded top variant. The VX variant doesn't seem to look any different than the model available in Malayasia/Thailand (same alloys, ICE, etc) but the mid variant looked very different. The SV variant was a Urban Titanium Shade, and had a painted front grill which looked like a glossy Black Pearl finish. It also had black inserts in the headlights.Other Features were same 3.5" ICE, ECON button, 175/65 R15 Bridgestone tyres, etc. Sorry I didn't take the photo at that time. If I get my hands on a photo, I will upload it. | |
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I wonder what is stopping Honda from giving us the same alloys used in their Malaysia version. City is not a cheaply priced car so the additional cost of that alloy (should not be a lot more than the current one) is not the reason I guess. They launched City here in India first because this market is important for that car. They have been selling in highest number here. Yet this detrimental attitude is not acceptable at all. Last edited by Carpainter : 11th January 2015 at 11:49. | |
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