Originally Posted by iss1307 (Post 3875056)

I think it'll be the year of 2019.
How does it make any sense to go for Figo Aspire when you want a petrol?

Originally Posted by pixantz (Post 3875526)

Your observations are right iss, but given that the diesel Figo is smooth as hell too, I don't think going for the diesel should be a real pain here. Except cheaper fuel option, maybe ;)

Originally Posted by iss1307 (Post 3873336)

Yes , have gone through the entire thread of the niggles. But these rattles and all are there if you pay some serious attention to details right? And as enthusiasts we all do that. Am I right when I say that the niggles can be looked over as trade-offs?

Originally Posted by iss1307 (Post 3873355)

We want a car which would be with us for 7 long years and our current car the WagonR sits at 42000 after 6 years. So our commute is pretty low.
Which premium car would you suggest under 10 lakhs?
We saw the Verna, was pretty good but 2016 will see a new generation but in the later half. We haven't visited VW yet, will visit soon. Fiat was never in the list. Ciaz, is fine, parents not so happy with the looks.

Originally Posted by iss1307 (Post 3873472)

Our budget is of 10 lakhs.
Which cars do you guys suggest?
I have the Ecosport Ecoboost in the list. But it is available only in Titanium+ which 11,32,000 OTR and a Trend+ which is like a base variant which I don't like.

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain (Post 3873354)

I don't think so. The promise of the City was that it was a fill it-shut it-forget it kind of car that you just could not go wrong with. This was also why the car had such good resale value. That is no longer the case now. The competition has improved while the City has deteriorated. At current prices, I see no reason to pick the petrol City over the Vento TSi apart from sheer cabin space.

Originally Posted by Rajeevraj (Post 3873441)

No car is niggle free, but the kind of niggles and the frequency I have been reading on this thread, seems a bit too much for a upward of 10L car- that too a Honda.

Originally Posted by Turbohead (Post 3873694)

4th Gen City is a huge leap in most depts except downright reliability and quality. As you know there is a thread dedicated to this. Honda should and I hope is working on these problems.

Originally Posted by GKMahajan (Post 3873705)

My 2 cents - This is the first time I have heard someone generalize City as unreliable. I had a City (2006 ZX VTEC) for 9 years and sold it to get an automatic Jazz. I could have kept it for 6 more years - it was so niggle free.

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain (Post 3873745)

My fundamental grouse with the car is that it has aged very quickly. From dull and scratched paint to noises and rattles all over to a rough sounding engine (mine is diesel) with a clunky gearshift to soft and sagging seats to things like brakes and suspension taking a beating. It does not feel like a car that has 40k km on the clock, but like one which has done twice or thrice that mileage.

To give credit where it is due, the City is very easy to drive in traffic. The car shrinks around you. Steering is very light, the turning circle is really tight and agility is good. The car is always willing to change directions quickly at your command. You never feel the size of the thing. And it isn't that big anyway.

Don't for the moment think the car will leave you stranded at night in the middle of the road It is NOT unreliable. But at the same time, it has to be said that be car seems to have been designed and built against serious cost targets. As such, this generation of the car with just have to live with its basic issues. I will not get my hopes up about quality levels magically improving in the new year or even with the eventual facelift.

Originally Posted by iss1307 (Post 3873754)

But lemme answer your question about replacing the H with the T. I think I would still buy it. It's not the brand that attracts me, it's the flair the car has.

Originally Posted by mayank0782 (Post 3873855)

Originally Posted by tejas08 (Post 3873936)

Again, its each individual's perception and choice. Those who want quality can shift to Germans & other Stuff. Those who want reliability can have the Japs & Koreans.

Originally Posted by tejas08 (Post 3873936)

It will be almost two years since the launch of the 4th Gen City. There has been no complaint with regards to the City dropping dead in the middle of nowhere, even after some people have clocked over 40K & 50K kms.

Originally Posted by tejas08 (Post 3873936)

A correction. It's 10K kms / 6 Months.

Originally Posted by tejas08 (Post 3873936)

As such it is good to get the Engine Oil changed between 7-8K Kms.

Originally Posted by avdhesh15 (Post 3877231)

Couldn’t post earlier as was caught up in year-end activities!


I wouldn’t say that the niggles can be overlooked. If you are going to self-drive the car, these niggles will be quite prominent but if you will be in the back seat, then perhaps.



I agree no petrol sedan south of 10L apart from Ciaz, but since you are ready to contemplate cars from other segments, how about S-Cross? Massive discounts going on currently on the car and it’s damn solid. You have mentioned EcoSport yourself so could check it out. If you have patience, why don’t you hang on for the Maruti YBA or the BRV to be launched (although I have no idea about the prices, should be close to your budget)?


While I don’t know about the VW, I totally agree on other points. The new City just isn’t the same.


Bang on! I drove a SX4 which seemed to have lesser niggles when I sold it after 4 years vis-à-vis my new City which is less than 2 years old.


As a new City owner, I agree on the quality part. Reliability seems to be fine as I haven't faced any major issues till now.


Two close cousins still have their 7-year old ZX and 3-year old 3rd gens and they still feel solid. The grievances are with the 4th gen City.


Bro – you seem to be in exact the same boat as me! I agree with all your points with the difference that mine is petrol so the engine point doesn’t count in my agreement. The petrol is brilliant to drive.
I also agree that the car isn’t unreliable. But it’s not one where I am happy putting my 11L.


Hmm - really? Somewhere it does come down to brand value.


Classic happy 3rd gen vs. 4th gen :)


I kind of disagree – I have a ZX, 3rd gen and 4th gen City in my immediate family. The previous 2 were brilliant compared to the 4th gen in terms of quality. I would gladly exchange the toys in the 4th gen for the solidness of the 3rd gen – it was quality along with reliability.


Agree – the point is not on reliability.


Yes – my bad. However, if you check the “how often you change the engine oil thread”, you will see that 10k km / 12 months is the ideal scenario. Honda is ripping off customers with the 10k km / 6 months routine and this is a point on which our Mods have agreed.


I will. But give me time till 12 months because I have less running. In 6 months I will run max 3-4k km so an engine oil change isn’t justified but I have to get it done due to warranty issues!

Originally Posted by avdhesh15 (Post 3877231)

Couldn’t post earlier as was caught up in year-end activities!

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I will. But give me time till 12 months because I have less running. In 6 months I will run max 3-4k km so an engine oil change isn’t justified but I have to get it done due to warranty issues!

Originally Posted by iss1307 (Post 3877256)

And what is everybody complaining about sagging seats? :O they seemed extremely comfortable.

Originally Posted by GKMahajan (Post 3877262)

I have no experience of the 4th gen City. However, if the feel that I am getting from my new Jazz is any indicator, I would expect it to be good too.

It seems you have first hand experience of the 4th gen City. I got a feeling that you are not 'totally satisfied' with it. Interesting!

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain (Post 3878784)

They are very comfortable to begin with. But because the seat compound is so soft, it tends to sag and get compressed over time. All the more so if you are on the heavier side. After a couple of years of use, my car's driver-seat's foam has sunk a fair bit and the seat is not as supportive as it was when the car was new. Passenger seat is still good though.

I'll put this in another way. I did a few Delhi-Mumbai runs in the first year of the car. I had no issues despite spending 18-20 hours continuously behind the wheel. Nowadays, my lower back starts to hurt after just a few hours spent in regular Delhi traffic.




Being the owner of a Gen4 City as well as a Gen1 Jazz, let me tell you that as an overall product, the old Jazz/City were head and shoulders superior to the current City.

The new Jazz and the current City as basically the same car so what holds true for the City will be valid for the Jazz as well.

As for the 'feel' you are getting from your Jazz, well, it is only a matter of time before it becomes.... mixed. My City felt more than fantastic during its first 15-18 months. But that didn't last. It was only after 30,000km that all kinds of shenanigans started. Jazz though, it is still going strong after 4 years/75k km of abuse. This is the difference between the current product and the previous product.

For your sake, I sincerely hope that your long term ownership experience turns out to be better than mine.

Originally Posted by chandrda (Post 3879446)

There was a PGM FI error on my colleagues 6 months old I-DTEC car yesterday evening while leaving home from office. We immediately called the service center and they sent a recovery vehicle. The car was lifted and taken to the service center for diagnosis.

I was very surprised and disappointed to see this error on a new car. Is this error related to Honda recalling City and Mobilio for replacement of fuel return pipes.

Regards

Originally Posted by ashwinee (Post 3879464)

Purchased new Honda City VX CVT on December 13th at Trident Auto Honda, Bnagalore. Sold my City ZX CVT on 5th of December and booked the new City on 6th of December. Alabaster Silver was readily available (I was in cosntant touch with Trident, Magnum and Dakshin Honda), October manufactured and shipped in November. Trident being new as a Honda dealer in Bangalore, all the process was a smooth affair and for all the loan/RTO documents, they did visit my house. The car was ready by 12th December, but took the delivery on 13th December. (Auspicious day :))
Note: Trident have a VX CVT TD vehicle and did the TD with wife before booking


Will update with the long drive soon...

Originally Posted by ashwinee (Post 3879464)

Purchased new Honda City VX CVT on December 13th at Trident Auto Honda, Bnagalore. Sold my City ZX CVT on 5th of December and booked the new City on 6th of December. Alabaster Silver was readily available (I was in cosntant touch with Trident, Magnum and Dakshin Honda), October manufactured and shipped in November. Trident being new as a Honda dealer in Bangalore, all the process was a smooth affair and for all the loan/RTO documents, they did visit my house. The car was ready by 12th December, but took the delivery on 13th December. (Auspicious day :))
Note: Trident have a VX CVT TD vehicle and did the TD with wife before booking



Initial Impression:
Being a Honda owner, I am biased. From the 2nd generation to 4th, there is a lot of improvement in equipment levels. Being a six feet person felt really comfortable in the new City. The old car was run 1.25 Lakh over 9.5 years and could feel the silence of VTEC engine in the new car.

I drive daily to office (From Banashankari area to Manyata Tech park) and its 50KMs round trip. Initial fuel economy was 10.5 KM on an average. (Peak of 13 and low of 7-8)

Will update with the long drive soon...

Originally Posted by ashwinee (Post 3880219)

MID displayed fuel efficiency:
Bangalore -> Davangere : 21.3 KMPL (Even I am astonished)
Davangere -> Bangalore : 18.5 KMPL (in spite of being part of few pileups)

Originally Posted by iss1307 (Post 3880422)

Ashwinee, it's the magic of the 7 speed CVT. ;)
I think that the only petrol engine which gives more mileage than the ARAI claims is the i-Vtec. Love it.
I also saw in a thread where even the manual i-Vtec was giving figures close to yours.
Honda City rocks no matter how much is has been criticized, and all thanks to the frugal and proven i-Vtec.