[sapeco]

Originally Posted by rockporiom

I believe Maruti should take some serious steps after this outrage to their pricing on almost every platform whether social media or forums such as team BHP.

The Gods are not smiling on MSIL at this moment. Lord Hanuman is not happy with the way the Maruti prefix has deleted by MSIL to re-invent the Suzuki brand as premium. The Maruti name is revered in India. I remember there was outrage when MSIL wanted to change the company name to Suzuki India Limited after it gained control of the company as a majority shareholder a few years back. As rockporiom has put it so many Management and Marketing blunders. The entire team should be fired ASAP and suitable marketing measures taken to avoid the S-Cross being a disaster.

In every country be it in Europe, North America or South America, Suzuki is a budget brand. What the hell were they thinkin'!

Originally Posted by rockporiom

@MSIL @NEXA deleting negative comments won't help. Learn from negative feedback, because some of these were your potential customers that you have hurt.

Rockporiom, manipulation of social media is done by a lot of companies to avoid spread of negative publicity. Ford did it when people used to vent their frustration at the delay in Ecosport deliveries.

[schakravarthy]

Uncropped S-Cross price list handout I got over WhatsApp. Not even a teeny weeny mention of MS anywhere.

[Leoshashi]

Originally Posted by WRXXX

May be I am over-reacting here. @Leoshashi please don't take my comments below personally since I am referring to the whole discussion in this thread. Please note I don't
own any of the Maruti products and I am not related to their sales department in any manner either.

Is team-bhp becoming a team-bashing forum when a new car arrives in the market? Come on. Why teach someone who is a volume master the lessons of how to do
Volume business.

I didn't take your comments personally Sir, rest assured!! We all are here to speak out our minds and that's what you did.

Now coming to the bashing thing, I agree my comments were straight out of the heart and a bit too hard to digest, but I am pained by Maruti not being able to get the right lesson. They avoid manufacturing components/vehicles citing low volumes, price it atrociously due to import taxes and then finally crib about not being perceived as the PREMIUM manufacturer.
Admit it, in our country, looks of a vehicle has a lot of say in success of a vehicle. For 17Lacs OTR Blore, all a person will hear is that he has bought a large hatch, and that he could have got a badi gaadi(aka sedan) or a PSEUDO SUV like Creta.

I agree that as a product, the S Cross has got a lot of merit, and I for one may consider one if I am ever in a market with 15 big ones, irespective of what people say.
But to the aam-junta who are not much informed about the pros, the S Cross may not appeal as much as a Creta or a Duster. Products in India don't sell on merits alone, if that would have been the case then cars like Old Jazz and new Fiesta would have sold in large numbers.

I would be happy if I am proved wrong and S Cross becomes a great success for Maruti Suzuki. To be honest, I am an ardent Maruti fan.


Regards

[sourabhzen]

Originally Posted by ramesh.dtsam

If it is genuine, can state government pull up MSIL misrepresenting the ex factory price for 2 different state as it hits their revenue also

Why will state pull up MSIL? This way the State will at least get some revenue which was a remote possibility if the price was not 'corrected'

[sandygordon]

Called the Nexa RM for pricing. He gave the numbers and beep, the phone was off. I called again, asked for the day when a TD is available. He said "shall inform'. Before I ask about where exactly the showroom is "Beep", he cuts the phone. Is this guy going to be my relationship manager through out my Nexa run. WOW. Really cool new age experience. Seems like the relationship will soon be in a crisis.

Sandygordon keeps his flowchart
Went and booked the Creta SX in red passion > sleek silver.
Now, only an impressive test drive performance by the 1.3 alpha or the 1.6 delta can change my plan. The RM is trying his best to to make me stick on to Creta.

I will be giving a few more days to MSIL to reconsider their pricing strategy.
Else I will go ahead with the Creta, which I think I ll get sometime in October.

C'mon S Cross. Impress me and make me lose my 3k I should pay as penalty for cancelling the Creta boking.

[rockporiom]

Originally Posted by nashok

Also, the Brake Pads shown are the Brake Shoes for the Drum Brakes, and not the pads for the Disc Brakes. The car has no Drum Brakes as far as I know.

Or am I smoking something ?

I believe the guys making the page are themselves in shock after the price announcement. MSIL should give one day holiday to their entire staff to recover from this shock.

BTW all of TBHP wants to know

WHAT ARE THESE GUYS AT MSIL SMOKING!?

[rajeev k]

Originally Posted by sandygordon

Called the Nexa RM for pricing. He gave the numbers and beep, the phone was off. I called again, asked for the day when a TD is available. He said "shall inform'. Before I ask about where exactly the showroom is "Beep", he cuts the phone. Is this guy going to be my relationship manager through out my Nexa run. WOW. Really cool new age experience. Seems like the relationship will soon be in a crisis. on
Went and booked the Creta SX i think I ll get sometime in October.

Maruti mistimed the opening of Nexa dealerships. This should have coincided with the launch of the Ciaz. Now with Creta posing a big challenge, this type of devil-may-care attitude is not going to help Maruti's cause any wee bit.

[a4anurag]

Originally Posted by nashok

Also, the Brake Pads shown are the Brake Shoes for the Drum Brakes, and not the pads for the Disc Brakes. The car has no Drum Brakes as far as I know.

Or am I smoking something ?

Isn't it mentioned as Brake pads that used in Disc brakes?

I can't see any Brake shoes.

EDIT : Got your point.

[WRXXX]

Originally Posted by Leoshashi

Admit it, in our country, looks of a vehicle has a lot of say in success of a vehicle. For 17Lacs OTR Blore, all a person will hear is that he has bought a large hatch, and that he could have got a badi gaadi(aka sedan) or a PSEUDO SUV like Creta.

I agree that as a product, the S Cross has got a lot of merit, and I for one may consider one if I am ever in a market with 15 big ones, irespective of what people say.
But to the aam-junta who are not much informed about the pros, the S Cross may not appeal as much as a Creta or a Duster. Products in India don't sell on merits alone, if that would have been the case then cars like Old Jazz and new Fiesta would have sold in large numbers.

I would be happy if I am proved wrong and S Cross becomes a great success for Maruti Suzuki. To be honest, I am an ardent Maruti fan.


Regards

Actually, very true and totally agree here.

I am surprised sometimes when I have to pay 10L and not get safety features as standard and it does hurt. Alternatively around 10 years back
I paid 16L and almost got everything what most of the cars don't have even today other than the touch screen may be!

I think it is lot to do with timing and market maturity at the time of launch to strike a balance. What scares me now a days is, are some of cars really worth the value in the long run? I don't know the answer and I am stunned at the available choices we have and prices we have to pay.

Maruti had been largely unsuccessful in their premium offerings all along and lets hope they have a real value add this time. And may be S-cross is not for all by the looks of it. And may be they didn't plan it that way either. Will it be a poor man's GLA or A180(not by looks definitely)? Need to wait and watch.

[rockporiom]

Originally Posted by a4anurag

Isn't it mentioned as Brake pads that used in Disc brakes?

I can't see any Brake shoes.

What nashok means is the picture shown is of the brake shoe in a drum brake rather than brake pads.

[sriramv.iyer]

I saw a stall setup in one of the Tech Parks in Bangalore - Around lunch time there were ZERO people next to the cars (one Ciaz present as well, along with an S-Cross) - All three sales people were chatting sitting in the stall.

Doesn't bode well for Maruti / Nexa / S-Cross.

Unless the 1.6L engine has diamond piezo electric crystals in the engine, adamantium engine, unobatainium pistons and palladium powered batteries, it doesn't justify a 3L premium.

Kizashi, Vitara story continuing. (And we were all hoping the 1.6L engine will find its way to the Ciaz - Not at this price! )

[rockporiom]

Just a wild idea if this is the price they have by importing only 33% of the car (which is mostly the Engine, gearbox and ECU) they could have done this with the kizashi and given it the 1.9 DDIS which does duty in the Vitara as well. The car could have been a giant success. Same could have been done with the Vitara as well.

Maybe at the same pricepoint at which the Kizashi was launched it would have been successful with the 1.9 DDIS. Maybe the DDIS 320 also could have been used in the Kizashi as well since it has good amounts of torque and power.

[Jaatree]

After looking at the atrocious pricing of S-Cross and Creta, I think I'm going to hold on to my Punto90 for some more time and would by a proper suv when I feel like. I'm no longer interested in these highly over priced hatch backs on stilts.

[sathya_g_m]

Originally Posted by rockporiom

Just a wild idea if this is the price they have by importing only 33% of the car (which is mostly the Engine, gearbox and ECU) they could have done this with the kizashi and given it the 1.9 DDIS which does duty in the Vitara as well. The car could have been a giant success. Same could have been done with the Vitara as well.

Maybe at the same pricepoint at which the Kizashi was launched it would have been successful with the 1.9 DDIS. Maybe the DDIS 320 also could have been used in the Kizashi as well since it has good amounts of torque and power.

Hmm. If MSIL has to do Kizashi, for sure there will be some line of variants having DDiS200. Fortunately, MISL doesnt make Trucks/Buses, would be horrible to think a DDiS200 on them.

Jokes apart. All this adds merit to Fiat. Gems of engines, wide spread application. Sad that Fiat is not able to penetrate here much, with their brilliant machines, a good network would make them climb up faster.

[rockporiom]

Originally Posted by sathya_g_m

Hmm. If MSIL has to do Kizashi, for sure there will be some line of variants having DDiS200. Fortunately, MISL doesnt make Trucks/Buses, would be horrible to think a DDiS200 on them.

Jokes apart. All this adds merit to Fiat. Gems of engines, wide spread application. Sad that Fiat is not able to penetrate here much, with their brilliant machines, a good network would make them climb up faster.

If fiat manages to take advantage of the VW SUZUKI case which is under arbitration we could start seeing superbly stunning cars from both MSIL's and FCA's stables. Imagine a swift with a T-jet engine or a Punto with a superbly tuned PUNTO 75 and 90hp.

FIAT wake up and take advantage of this situation this may be your last shot at reviving things in India.