[condor]

Originally Posted by ankitahuja

If your S-cross is behaving normal, you usually can't go wrong with the FE. What a gem! Have you got a remap done?

No remap. Tuners dont seem to want to touch these simple cars.

While the car feels ok for regular drives, I did couple of times miss the torque of my Storme. Though the Torque-to-weight of the two is in the same range, the available torque is definitely felt, both ways.

[Mr.Boss]

Originally Posted by condor

No remap. Tuners dont seem to want to touch these simple cars.

Which tuner did you try with? All my diesel cars (Starting with Ritz, S Cross, Sunny) are running with Code6 maps

Originally Posted by condor

While the car feels ok for regular drives, I did couple of times miss the torque of my Storme.

True that.
Even with remap the low end is poor in S Cross due to the overall gear ratio

[condor]

Originally Posted by Mr.Boss

All my diesel cars are running with Code6 maps

That would have been done long back

[ankitahuja]

Originally Posted by condor

No remap. Tuners dont seem to want to touch these simple cars.

While the car feels ok for regular drives, I did couple of times miss the torque of my Storme. Though the Torque-to-weight of the two is in the same range, the available torque is definitely felt, both ways.

Mine is remapped by Wolf as well. It's a brilliant map and it makes a smiling difference in daily driving. Highway drivers are amazing too.

Wolf Moto has researched and remapped the MJD engine the most. You may think you may not need it, but most definitely you will love it if you do it.

[condor]

Originally Posted by ankitahuja

Mine is remapped by Wolf as well.

They dont seem to be interested in these basic stuff .. ? Any contacts that you can check with ?

[govigov]

Originally Posted by condor

They dont seem to be interested in these basic stuff .. ? Any contacts that you can check with ?

condor, as far as i know, there is no working remaps from wolf (or anyone) else for SVHS cars. So only pre-facelift cars can be remapped. This is from my older knowledge, not sure if things have changed now.

For what it is worth, when the scross 1.3 zeta pre-facelift was with me, the wolf (switchable) remaps was excellent. The highway drives were excellent and very noticable. My usual coimbatore<->kochi run was reduced by about 20 minutes when going on full tilt, and engine did not feel stressed or running out of breath, which was a big issue earlier for me.

PS: Wolf has both switchable and non switchable maps, so if your car can support wolf, research on both of these types of maps, and then go with switchable maps. worth the extra amount that you had paid.

[condor]

Originally Posted by govigov

condor, as far as i know, there is no working remaps from wolf (or anyone) else for SVHS cars.

this would be the question.

I am not looking for the same push that my 2.2L Varicor gave me, but the questions about remaps are just a thought at the moment.

[ankitahuja]

Originally Posted by govigov

condor, as far as i know, there is no working remaps from wolf (or anyone) else for SVHS cars. So only pre-facelift cars can be remapped. This is from my older knowledge, not sure if things have changed now.

For what it is worth, when the scross 1.3 zeta pre-facelift was with me, the wolf (switchable) remaps was excellent. The highway drives were excellent and very noticable. My usual coimbatore<->kochi run was reduced by about 20 minutes when going on full tilt, and engine did not feel stressed or running out of breath, which was a big issue earlier for me.

PS: Wolf has both switchable and non switchable maps, so if your car can support wolf, research on both of these types of maps, and then go with switchable maps. worth the extra amount that you had paid.

Originally Posted by condor

this would be the question.

I am not looking for the same push that my 2.2L Varicor gave me, but the questions about remaps are just a thought at the moment.

We are a bunch of S-cross owners running the Wolf Remap called Stage 1+ on our SHVS 1.3 S-cross. This is a non-switchable map, and they have one standard (researched and advanced map) or even a custom one for your needs for the SHVS.

Of course, if you have a Pre-FL - then the switchable maps are there as well.

I got the remap done back in 2021 if I remember right. They have upgraded the map several fold now but I am very happy with what I have and never felt the need to change. Maybe soon actually I might.

Originally Posted by condor

They dont seem to be interested in these basic stuff .. ? Any contacts that you can check with ?

I have their phone number. How they work is - follow their Insta page, tell them you are interested and which city you belong to. They keep posting when their team is visiting which state, DM them and tell them you're IN!

[condor]

Originally Posted by ankitahuja

We are a bunch of S-cross owners running the Wolf Remap called Stage 1+ on our SHVS 1.3 S-cross.

What are the pre and post numbers like ?

[ankitahuja]

Originally Posted by condor

What are the pre and post numbers like ?

Around 118 BHP and 252NM Torque

Noticeable reduction in turbo lag. Spools faster, more linear. Low end improvement and much easier city drivability. Top end improves as well.
Mid range becomes BRUTAL and the fun factor of driving the car is unlocked

I sound like a sales person!! 😅

Unwanted information:
Expect the power band to go up till 4500 RPM as compared to Stock puffing out at 4200 RPM.

[Happyrev]

Hello everyone, please help me with your wisdom. Its the 1.6 Flywheel and Clutch system at it again. Sorry if the post is longer than expected, i want to give full view of the circumstances from my end.


The car was acquired at 54K KMs on the odo.

The clutch failed me at 65K KMs, a worn out slave cylinder/bearing was the culprit. The Bearing, Clutch plate and the pressure plates were changed, this was done at a FNG nearest to the breakdown place, its a bit far from my home - i was fortunate enough to find all the necessary parts. The flywheel was deemed alright back then.

At ~75K on the odo i started hearing mild 'gurgling' noises. We went on a road trip to explore the beauty of western ghats, the route taken was Mumbai - Lonavala - Pavana Lake - Mulshi Lake - Thamini Ghat - Paili and back to Mumbai Pune expressway.

While most of our trip was worry-free, i started hearing these 'gurgling' noise coming from the engine compartment after crossing Pali. Approximately at the same time, i felt an unusual sensation at the clutch pedal (a grinding kind of sensation). We drove on for 3-4 Kms the noise did not settle, thereafter I parked the car to the side of the road, opened the hood to locate the source of the noise but, couldn't understand what was wrong - the brake/clutch fluid levels were at max and the engine oil looked sufficient.
I turned-off the car, turned it back on and this time the gurgling noise had lowered down considerably. We pushed on as the gears were changing just fine, but there was a minor noise.

Next day, i visited MASS and handed over the car to them to investigate the source of the noise. After a few hours of investigation, they deemed that the gearbox will need to be brought down to check the flywheel.
The gear box was taken down, flywheel inspected. Its a dual-mass flywheel, ideally there shouldn't be much play between the two discs and the discs should come back to the same position once pushed in opposite direction. My flywheel simply did not have much resistance when the discs were pushed in the opposite direction nor did it revert back to its original relative position. The flywheel is gone. New flywheel is 34K. Maruti labor charge is close to 8k (makes me want to cry).

Now, they are saying to replace the pressure plate and the clutch plate as well. Its just been 10K Kms for the clutch and the pressure plate. When i checked why they want to replace them, the answer i got was 'the clutch felt a little hard while driving' - the 1.6's clutch is heavy.

Coming to the question itself - if a flywheel is getting worn out will it impact the life of clutch+pressure plate? Considering the current clutch+Pressure plate have just had 10k kms covered so far, does it make any sense to replace them? A new set is costing close to 20K. If i put a new flywheel, will the clutch system be bogged down as the flywheel is new and the Clutch+Pressure plate 10K kms old?

The car in question is driven every day. My wife takes it to her office about 6k one side and i dont think she ever gets to go above 3rd gear in her commute.

[ankitahuja]

Originally Posted by Happyrev

Now, they are saying to replace the pressure plate and the clutch plate as well. Its just been 10K Kms for the clutch and the pressure plate. When i checked why they want to replace them, the answer i got was 'the clutch felt a little hard while driving' - the 1.6's clutch is heavy.

Coming to the question itself - if a flywheel is getting worn out will it impact the life of clutch+pressure plate? Considering the current clutch+Pressure plate have just had 10k kms covered so far, does it make any sense to replace them? A new set is costing close to 20K. If i put a new flywheel, will the clutch system be bogged down as the flywheel is new and the Clutch+Pressure plate 10K kms old?

The car in question is driven every day. My wife takes it to her office about 6k one side and i dont think she ever gets to go above 3rd gear in her commute.

A worn flywheel can have uneven spots like tiny cracks, warps, or a bit of play which can make the clutch wear out unevenly, fail early, or mess up the pressure plate too. A worn fly wheel causes chattering or rattling when you press the clutch, or vibrations, or a stiff pedal - you said you faced this and so a replacement is inevitable.

Ideally, it is best to inspect the flywheel when doing the clutch work (especially a dual‑mass one) as it is an easy way to save your new clutch from wearing out too soon. A bad flywheel can also wear down the clutch plate or damage the pressure plate, though that is rare within just 10k km.

I suggest you to very carefully inspect the clutch and pressure plate if it must be replaced. Take a second opinion if you can.

A bit of unwanted info: On my 1.3 DDiS I faced the infamous gear synchronizer issue (2nd and 3rd). The car had only done about 30–35k kms and luckily it was covered under warranty. The Arena workshop knew very well how I like to maintain my car so they suggested replacing the clutch parts too along with resolving the gear (as transmission had to be opened anyway). The clutch was still OK, but doing it then would save a on labour costs later. Seemed like a smart (read preventive) move, so I just went for it!

[kosjam]

Originally Posted by Happyrev

Now, they are saying to replace the pressure plate and the clutch plate as well. Its just been 10K Kms for the clutch and the pressure plate. When i checked why they want to replace them, the answer i got was 'the clutch felt a little hard while driving' - the 1.6's clutch is heavy.
If i put a new flywheel, will the clutch system be bogged down as the flywheel is new and the Clutch+Pressure plate 10K kms old?

The car in question is driven every day. My wife takes it to her office about 6k one side and i dont think she ever gets to go above 3rd gear in her commute.

As an owner of a 1L km run 1.6, I feel your pain. I recently got the flywheel and clutch assembly replaced with spare one from MASS in Navi Mumbai (Turbhe) The dual mass flywheel is a nightmare to maintain, and this is the second time I had to change the flywheel (the first time was under warranty thankfully at 20K)

The issue is that this flywheel clutch combo is not easily available anymore, so if you are readily getting the parts, go right ahead and change them. Unfortunately you will have to absorb these costs. But once done, with a bit of luck, it should be a trouble free 30k-40k km. And I do not need to tell u the stupid grin the acceleration in this car can bring to your face.

It would be best to change both as a set and since the primary usage is going to be in the city by your wife, (I have the same experience that the heavy clutch gets painful) changing both will reduce the clutch effort significantly.

Hope this helps.

[Happyrev]

Originally Posted by ankitahuja

Ideally, it is best to inspect the flywheel when doing the clutch work (especially a dual‑mass one) as it is an easy way to save your new clutch from wearing out too soon. A bad flywheel can also wear down the clutch plate or damage the pressure plate, though that is rare within just 10k km.

I suggest you to very carefully inspect the clutch and pressure plate if it must be replaced. Take a second opinion if you can.

From that perspective, the failing/failed flywheel must have impacted the cluth Plate and the pressure plate. If i go ahead with the existing CP+PP then the next replacement will be the CP+PP, the flywheel after that, the cycle may continue. Therefore, in order to minimize the breakdowns and the number of times my gearbox is opened, i have requested the MASS to replace the entire thing, Flywheel+CP+PP+Release bearing, so that i do not need to worry about these things for the next 60-70K Kms atleast. Yes, its going to blow a hole in my pocket (approx 65K INR) but, i will have peace of mind (Fingers crossed). This kind of maintenance approximately adds INR 1 to every Kilometer the car covers - something i never thought about before.

The next question, what to do with the relatively new CP+PP, can i keep it for later use (maybe). I'm thinking, 55K-60K kms down the line i will replace the ageing CP+PP+Bearing proactively to avoid a breakdown.

[Happyrev]

Originally Posted by kosjam

It would be best to change both as a set and since the primary usage is going to be in the city by your wife, (I have the same experience that the heavy clutch gets painful) changing both will reduce the clutch effort significantly.

Hope this helps.

KMS
Thank you. Yes, i'm changing the entire thing except the master cylinder. The master cylinder is relatively new (just 5K Kms maybe), i wasnt able to get my hands on the master cylinder last time i replaced my clutch so it was added after 5K KMs of the clutch replacement or so.