[Carpainter]

Originally Posted by sourabhzen

1.6 is overpriced but compare it with Jetta/Octavia feature by feature and you well not find them twice as good as Scross.

Well feature wise, if you're talking about all the gizmos then may be top model scross has a lot more features than the base model Jetta/Octy but people don't just buy cars for its gizmos. There are a lot more things in a car. Their 2litre diesel is far more superior to the 1.6L of scross (haven't driven any of them so it's only my guess). Add to that the looks, build quality and you get more car for your price.

[sourabhzen]

Originally Posted by Carpainter

Well feature wise, if you're talking about all the gizmos then may be top model scross has a lot more features than the base model Jetta/Octy but people don't just buy cars for its gizmos. There are a lot more things in a car. Their 2litre diesel is far more superior to the 1.6L of scross (haven't driven any of them so it's only my guess). Add to that the looks, build quality and you get more car for your price.

If we compare the cost of 2 l diesel Jetta/Octavia with Scross along with specs and features then things will be more clearer. Someone compared the Jetta's drive with Scross in this thread and rated Jetta above Scross but he was impressed with Scross too.

[volkman10]

Here is the price list of accessories of S Cross obtained from the dealer here.

Prospective owners of S Cross, appreciate your pick on desired accesories that is worth getting from the dealer but check after market prices for comparison.

If spares list of the same are available it could be added to this thread.

Guess it would be helpful for prospective owners on deciding the same.

All accessory fitment after you take the vehicle need to be co-ordinated through your Nexa Relationship Manager.







Accessories_Brochure.pdf

[nurni76]

Originally Posted by k_ajay

It's unfortunate but yesterday my preferred RM called me and asked me to come for a TD, but I discussed with him for a few minutes and informed him my decision to cancel my booking of the 1.6 Alpha. He understood why and also didn't push me to consider another variant or engine choice. He really delivered the premium experience till the very end.

We did exchange about the 1.6 prices and he agreed it wasn't aggressive & competitive. Once an email requesting cancellation is done, I'll have the full refund before mid next week.

Anyone who wants to get handled by a great RM, please reach out to Deepu at the Bimal NEXA showroom on Outer Ring Road. He's worth anyone's time.

So long, S-Cross. The excitement was good while it lasted.

Bang on k_ajay. Deepu was my RM as well and he was really professional when I went for my cancellation as well. He never for once pushed me to the Zeta 1.6 or the Alpha 1.3 as he knew from the beginning I was only eyeing the 1.6 Top end. Atleast the Nexa experience was definitely a good one

[StarrySky]

When the Team-BHP review came out, I had thought of asking my father to sell his Ritz and buy the S-Cross. But, at these prices, it doesn't make sense to give up the Ritz for the S-Cross, especially since the Ritz in only 3 years old. No big disappointment, since there is no real need to replace the Ritz, just the temptation to get a new car.

Looking at the prices of the premium hatchbacks, S-Cross 1.3 Delta makes a pretty good case for itself given that it has ABS+Dual Airbags+Rear Disk Brakes, if one is prepared to give up some premium features for safety features.

[shankar.balan]

For anyone who wants to refer to things in one place I think Carwale has done a pretty good job.
Here are some screenshots.

[PrasannaDhana]

Slightly OT, but those who are looking for a small butch car, also consider TUV300.. Saw a scoop pic at gaadiwaadi.com and it looked good. I don't know if quality levels are comparable to scross and Creta, if so, that will make the decision making harder.

[Vid6639]

Had a close look at the S-cross today and got a reasonable drive in DDiS200 and the DDiS320. My impressions:

Looks:
- While dimensions are big it doesn't have the presence of the Creta or the Ecosport. Not a single person looked at the car when we were test driving.
- The Alpha with the projector lights, and silver sash does uplift the look slightly.
- Alloys are really really boring.

Interiors:
- Huge improvement vs other Maruti's. The interiors feel very good but you just don't get the same premium euro feel. Bits and pieces of Maruti are noticeable.
- I felt the Creta looked a bit more upmarket than the S-cross. However for the DDiS200 pricing they are very good. For DDiS320 prices, they don't feel like 17.5L lakh interiors.
- When you sit in the Creta you get this premium feel. It was missing here.
- Front seats height adjust even in lowest setting is too high. Why can't they make the seats go low for a bit more sporty feel!
- Thanks to steering tilt and telescopic, easy to find a comfortable position.
- Rear legroom and width is easily better than the Creta and Ecosport. I would say legroom is better than Duster even but width maybe a little lesser.
- Boot space is definitely on lower side. At first I thought the boot space is measured till parcel shelf and will be much more if you keep the parcel shelf at home. But there's not much height left even after removing. This is due to full size spare which eats up a lot of space.

Performance:
DDiS320:
- One word : Insane!!
- It's like an on/off switch. Hit 2000rpm and all passengers slam their heads against the head rests. Gives head banging a new meaning. Acceleration is quite insane and scary at times.
- Below 2000rpm, it's dead. There's lots of turbo lag. After driving the Creta 2 days back, the creta felt more drivable below 2000rpm. After 2000rpm, the Creta gives a nice shove but the S-cross is like a full blown karate kick.
- Clutch is on heavier side. It's not the lightest and it's springy as well.
- Gears are easy to slot and nothing to complain. You will need to use this a lot.
- When downshifting for an overtaking manoeuvre, rev matching is not easy. You can't blip the throttle, you need to press and hold for a while till the revs go up then downshift.
- NVH is decent but engine can be heard as rpms go up. Found Creta and Ecosport better in this regard. Creta being the benchmark and Ecosport not too far behind.
- Summary: Awesome highway demolisher. Royal pain in the city with heavy clutch and turbo lag.
- Someone at Maruti Suzuki was watching too much of Top Gear episodes and took Jeremy Clarkson seriously when he said "More Powerrrrrr!".

DDiS200:
- Initial response to get moving from standstill is very decent. Better than Ecosport. In my car, just off idle there is a little hesitation unless if you give little throttle. In the 1.3 S-cross, you can start from a small incline without throttle with 3 adults on board.
- Once moving, throttle is a bit dull but I actually found sub 2000rpm it's better than the DDiS320!! After 2000rpm, the 1.3L S-cross will be small spec in the mirror of the DDiS320.
- Once you start moving, the Ecosport has better mid throttle response.
- There is turbo lag but it isn't so bad. After 2000rpm there's no lick just linear increase in acceleration.
- Clutch is much lighter than the DDiS320.
- The DDiS320 had a reassuring click when changing gears. The DDiS feels a bot rubbery but is not notchy as such.
- NVH is decent but not as quiet as Ecosport. Mod Ampere says it's better than his Duster 85PS.
- The DDiS performance is overall quite acceptable. In daily driving the DDiS200 is actually more drivable than the beastly DDiS320.
- Except for the enthusiasts nobody will complain with the DDiS200 performance.

Ride and Handling:
- Ride does not like feel anything like a Korean/Jap car. It's more Euro. You won't be mistaken thinking you're sitting in a VW/Skoda D segment car.
- Where the Ecosport crashed over the same roads and jarred the entire cabin, the S-cross demolished the potholes without blinking. The ride quality at slow speeds and as speed picks up is just astonishing. You just don't feel anything in the cabin.
- Moderator Ampere mentioned it's very close to the Duster but the S-cross felt a little stiffer.
- Steering is not feather light like hyundai or other Maruti. Was surprised that at parking speeds it felt slightly more weighted than the Ecosport. That said it's not a heavy steering just not feather light.
- Steering was reasonably well weighted but we didn't drive over any turns or twisties so am not sure how the overall handling and steering will be.
- Brakes were brilliant.

Overall:
- The DDiS320 just doesnt make sense at 17.7L on road. You cannot justify however you look at it.
- The DDiS200 Alpha gets a lot of trim and for the 14L price tag is a decent option.
- The DDiS200 Zeta at 11.9L on road bangalore is the pick of the lot. You get most of the equipment for the money including the premium cabin. The same interiors in a 17.7L car vs a 12L car means for 6L lesser the quality is top notch.

The sales guy at Nexa told us majority of bookings are for DDiS200 and even the guys booked DDiS320 have shifted to DDiS200. After the price announcement, hardly any confirmations or new bookings for DDiS320. The Zeta DDiS200 has a waiting period.

After the S-cross, I went back to my Ecosport and was happy with what I have. The DDiS200 was not a big jump enough and the DDiS320 was priced way too high. Moreover the city driving characteristics meant it would be a royal pain for me as I hardly have highway drives.

On the other hand driving the Creta 2 days earlier, did leave me more impressed. The Creta felt like a better all round package vs the S-cross. You get everything in the Creta but nothing that makes you go wow. A bit like my Corolla. After 6 years it's doing the job without any complain. But there's no fun to be had. Just no nonsense, sensible drive in a very comfortable manner.

[ampere]

The point to note, is where one is approaching the two Cross-Overs from?

- Since the D-Segments have zoomed past 18-20 Lakhs, any one looking at these options coming from a D-Segment angle, may not be very happy or satisfied.
- On the other side are the folks looking to upgrade from C-Segment sedans, or higher end hatches.
- For these guys upgrading from a hatch, a loaded 1.3 S-Cross or 1.4 Creta will make a lot of sense.
- Also note many of the urban buyers may take it as a lifestyle vehicle and may not be overly enthusiastic of the higher specced engine option.
- But the guys who have the C-Segment sedans as option, would be ready to pay the extra cash to buy one of these higher specced engines. Thats the prospective market we may be looking at.

Now coming to outright performance and usability and choice:
- 1. 6 Creta seems more usable in the city compared to the 1.6 S-Cross
- 1.4 Vs 1.3 seems to be a no choice question. Its more of what one likes, and whats the price.
- Creta definitely feels more plush and also refined in items of its engine.
- From a comfort point of view, only negative in Creta being the high window line, which can be an impediment for buyers.

For a guy who drives a Duster, what would he chose?
- If city drivability is a must (which I think is for many), 1.6 S-Cross goes out of the window
- 1.3 DDIS makes more sense. (Or the Creta 1.4)
- But having said that, if budget is not an option, will one look at Creta 1.6? That would be a definite yes. (Thanks to its easier drive compared to 1.6 DDIS)
- +1 to what Vid says about Creta being a more "usable" product; over all in terms of the higher specced engine

[shankar.balan]

Im not sure how much "road presence" matters any more in this crowded traffic scenario. I am also reasonably confident that the Indian consumers are looking for some amount of space and practicality yes, but given the way our cities are going, I think they are also keenly looking at comfortable driving conditions and easy to manage overall proportions in their vehicles. There seems to be a slow movement towards the benefits of AT rather than the more traditional MT.
What manufacturers could consider doing, the way the market is moving, is to offer nice powerful and torquey engines, their latest AT technology and their best package in terms of safety kit.
The new buyer at these prices, is a discerning buyer and would certainly value the above.

A small query - forgive my ignorance. Would both Creta and S Cross come into the D Segment?
If yes, then where do the Duster and Yeti fit respectively?

[ampere]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

Im not sure how much "road presence" matters any more in this crowded traffic scenario. I am also reasonably confident that the Indian consumers are looking for some amount of space and practicality yes, but given the way our cities are going, I think they are also keenly looking at comfortable driving conditions and easy to manage overall proportions in their vehicles.

I agree and even I don't think road presence is something which every one looks for. (Maybe initial period yes at best). With regards to looks and road presence, people do tend to move on after the initial honeymoon period of purchase or product introductions are over. From that point of view, I wont scrutinize or pin down one product against the other. What matters is as you said space, practicality, comfort and ease of use. And I think most people planning to buy one of these products will be more matured and well informed audience and surely not go by road presence as a key point for a purchase.

A small query - forgive my ignorance. Would both Creta and S Cross come into the D Segment?
If yes, then where do the Duster and Yeti fit respectively?

I go by the old definition of D-Segment. It is still, based on sedans for me. Verna, City, Fiesta, Ciaz etc being the C-Segment (C1, C2 based further classifications not withstanding!). Corolla, Civic, Jetta, Octavia, Fluence etc form the D-Segment. From the above classification, I tend to place the X-overs right in between. Its the same debate we have been on since the Duster and Ecosport days. The D-Segment has considerably moved up and hence has created a nice wide gap between themselves and premium C-segment sedans.

So what fills that lacunae is left to our imagination, choice and what is on offer. Today if people want space for 5 and more, with luggage, there is still no better alternative than the Innova in 15-20L space. XUV, Storme etc come close, but then many still have apprehensions on these products when compared to Innova. As against; when one looks at premium 5-seater with luggage, Creta and S-Cross do come into picture. I just hope, this segment opens up more choices thanks to these products. But I dont think it may happen in near future. I can at best visualize, Honda getting a Brio based SUV and pushing it beyond the 4m mark. But I doubt if they would get the Vezel to India.


Coming back to the S-Cross debate, Maruti does not seem like they want the DDIS-320 (1.6L diesel) to be their star seller. They just want it there as a placeholder. Maybe because, their margins come down, as they need to pay a big portion of it to Fiat. That also explains why they have been so careful to price the DDIS200 so well, and been so callous on DDIS320 version.

[specialist1968]

Double page advertisements appearing every day for SCross in Kerala. Indication of the (necessity for creating) public interest?
And the product is available only through one or two NEXA showrooms.
Premium sales experience is definitely good. But, will the service be also premium?. I always return from Maruti dealer workshop with a scratch or two! Hope NEXA dealer service centres will not do that!

[NPV]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

After the S-cross, I went back to my Ecosport and was happy with what I have. The DDiS200 was not a big jump enough and the DDiS320 was priced way too high. Moreover the city driving characteristics meant it would be a royal pain for me as I hardly have highway drives.

Originally Posted by ampere

For a guy who drives a Duster, what would he chose?
- If city drivability is a must (which I think is for many), 1.6 S-Cross goes out of the window
- 1.3 DDIS makes more sense. (Or the Creta 1.4)
- But having said that, if budget is not an option, will one look at Creta 1.6? That would be a definite yes. (Thanks to its easier drive compared to 1.6 DDIS)
- +1 to what Vid says about Creta being a more "usable" product; over all in terms of the higher specced engine

Thanks for those details and your impressions/quick reviews
@Amp - I think you're saying a current Duster owner (2 WD, not 4 WD!) can consider S-Cross 1.3 DDiS 200 or the Creta 1.4 as lateral 'upgrade' options ?

@Vid - do you think the same (like @Amp's view) is true for someone moving from Ecosport ? Or you think only the Creta 1.4 is a good bet ?

[ampere]

Originally Posted by NPV

Thanks for those details and your impressions/quick reviews
@Amp - I think you're saying a current Duster owner (2 WD, not 4 WD!) can consider S-Cross 1.3 DDiS 200 or the Creta 1.4 as lateral 'upgrade' options ?

@Vid - do you think the same (like @Amp's view) is true for someone moving from Ecosport ? Or you think only the Creta 1.4 is a good bet ?

For a Duster Owner: (2WD Only)
- Lateral upgrade: Yes.
- And a real upgrade : Also a Yes. Because both these cars are way more premium compared to the Duster.
- Being a sedate driver who owns a Duster 85, in theory I would happily trade my Duster to a DDIS200.
- But do note, the 85 Duster's city drivability is outstanding. Thats why I said I would trade it in theory!

For an Ecosport Owner:
- A Lateral Upgrade : A possible yes. (Only from a space point of view. 1.5 TDCI is way more refined than 1.3 DDIS)
- A real upgrade: No. Only a 1.6 would do justice. (Apart from Engine, Ecosport is also way more loaded. 6 Airbags, Leather, Electronics etc)

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by NPV

@Amp - I think you're saying a current Duster owner (2 WD, not 4 WD!) can consider S-Cross 1.3 DDiS 200 or the Creta 1.4 as lateral 'upgrade' options ?

Actually I am not sure of that. I would say a current Duster 85PS owner ike Ampere can look at the S-cross 1.3 DDiS200 or the Creta 1.4 as a lateral upgrade.

Someone who has a Duster 110PS 2WD will not appreciate the drop in performance plus 6th gear highway cruising ability with the S-cross 1.3 or Creta 1.4.

On the other hand a Duster 110PS 2WD owner can look at the S-cross DDiS320 or the Creta 1.6 as he gets additional stuff and still retains if not betters the performance of his car.

@Vid - do you think the same (like @Amp's view) is true for someone moving from Ecosport ? Or you think only the Creta 1.4 is a good bet ?

Someone moving from Ecosport 1.5 TDCI will find the S-cross DDiS200 very closely matched to his car. Other than the space and better ride it's not a big step up. So an Ecosport owner will not be too happy changing to the DDiS200 S-cross.

Again for Ecosport owner the S-cross DDiS320 Alpha is a worthy upgrade as well as the Creta 1.6 SX(O). Ofcourse the S-cross prohibitive pricing means it's a big stretch and not worth it.