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curious to know if old 2.2 is technically better than new 2.0

Why not wait for 15 more days for the launch?. Though the news is that 2.0L is not coming to India in 2019, the options would be fully clear on 22nd.

What are your reasons for excluding 3.2L?.

I test drove, Endy, Fortuner, Kodiaq, Alturas, Tuscon and even the CRV recently.. I felt 2.2L was under powered and is not an option even if 4x4 is not a priority.. But that could be just me..

Agreed 100%. The character of the 3.2 5-cylinder is at the heart of the appeal of this car for me.
If one is not going for the 3.2, I think the Alturas is a better option (am yet to test drive it to be sure, but it certainly looks like it from whatever reports are in).

2,0 Ltr is not coming, FORD India might not have got support from the HQ on prices on the new motor and gearbox. They must have good demand as they are relaunching this as Ranger in North American market. Though it will be on a Petrol engine but will use 10 Speed gear box and most of the chassis components should be same with everest aka Endeavour.

Well for someone who has to drive a lot, mileage is important. Besides the way our traffic is increasing sometimes I wonder what's going to happen in few years. If the power delivery of 2,2 is linear and the engine does not sound stressed, it should be ok. I will post a detailed answer shortly as my colleague who is driving the old 3,2 Trend from 2016 wants to change with the newer one (Titanium) is inclined more towards 2,2 as he drives a lot.

came across this link now: https://auto.ndtv.com/ford-cars/new-endeavour

It says, they may discontinue 2.2L and may have the new 2.0L (180bhp, which will replace 2.2L/160bhp mill) and 3.2L option as the top variant.

I think that would be a good move and will satisfy most customers. What do you guys think?

I test drove Alturas. Wasn't quite convinced about it. Here is what I felt in short:
+Engine is very good.
+ Feature rich
+ Looks good (subjective..)

- Ride was not good. I could feel all bad patches inside..Handling was average - like T-Fort-ish..
- Transmission was not that impressive
- Middle row seats were lacking thigh support
- 3rd row was too low and claustrophobic..

i will be using for daily commute within city ...is my reason...

Seems like zero sales for endy in Jan, new launch effect I assume?

I some how believe Endy Jan sales cannot be 0 and there is something wrong in that... - https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...-analysis.html

Ford has annual shutdown in December. 658 dispatches in December is definitely high. Clear indication that Ford has cleared all it's inventory making way for updated Endeavour. I believe all February dispatches will be updated one.

If that is the case, then Jan 2018 should also have Zero despatches. But, 529 copies of Endeavour were sold in Jan 2018.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...-analysis.html

Check December 2017 dispatches, which is almost half that of December 2018. Since refreshed Endeavour was on cards, Ford has cleared Inventory. Ford has officially started taking bookings of refreshed Endeavour. In January dealers were delivering only cars available in Inventory.

Yep - certainly going by the description of dynamics and general level of impressiveness from US reports, the chassis does seem very similar there.

As someone who's put on 15k+ in under 5 months on mine, I think I qualify for this tag.
And while I am a young-ish enthusiast (less responsibility, higher risk appetite and more "in-the-moment" attitude), I have a much lower net worth background from the usual Endeavour owner, and I'm certainly not bothered in the least about FE. I am well aware that I could be getting almost 200-250% percent with many other vehicles in my trips, but one is missing the point of the Endeavour then.
Agreed, all this is a luxury in India given purchasing power and relative fuel prices, but I still think fuel bills will hardly matter for a typical Endeavour owner regardless of running.
Personally, I think economy is EXCELLENT (for what's on offer). I want a big lazy engine, full time 4WD and a smooth American-style TC - of course it'll be a guzzler. Considering all that, fuel economy isn't bad at all.
It's not unthinkable for an American middle-class person to daily drive a V8 petrol. We are in the developing world, so tough luck. Even the rich here would think before daily driving a V8 petrol.
But high usage owners who can afford an Endeavour grousing about FE still surprises me.

Funnily enough though, as an aside, in my previous (shared) petrol hatchback (really old), with my spirited driving style the fuel average worked out such that even with the diminished difference between petrol and diesel prices, fuel cost per km is about the same for me. lol:

As to that, I must agree. Who the hell knows how bad it'll be - best to enjoy big guzzling ICEs here and now.

That said, I don't deny the practicality of the above.

Thanks for sharing your assessment. The things I'm keen to see are if the seats (and interior in general) feel(s) as premium as they(it) look(s), and most of all, if it's quieter than the Endeavour (have heard so from some quarters) - because that's a real feat!

I thought it might be good for a relaxed driving style with better fuel economy and features at a lower price tag, hence thought it might be an option for non-enthusiast, non-off-roader, highway heavy users. Though the ride of the Endeavour is very hard to equal (let alone better), if the ride in the Alturas is like the Fortuner, then it's out I suppose.
I hope to test drive it soon - I am quite intrigued to say the very least.

Lastly, while I'm very much out of the 3.2 v/s 2.0 debate, I will labour a point:
I never said, it wasn't:
You can no longer get the top trim with all the bells and whistles with the 3.2 in Australia.

On the matter of mileage, I would like to jump in here. I took delivery of my 3.2 Titanium on the 9th of April, 2018. As of today, it has covered a shade over 30,800 kms. The snapshot below gives my entire FE story till date.



IMHO, for a 2.5 tonne vehicle with a 3.2L engine, I am very happy with what I am getting.

What does the MID show as your average speed?

Great, how have you calculated the figures. Are you using any application for calculating over all costs. Does the price per kilometer includes service and other costs or it is only related to fuel.

I agree on the FE part that you can't expect more from a 3.2 litre, ~200 bhp engine. City drives can fetch you 8-10 kmpl and on long drives it will be anywhere between 9-12 kmpl.