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Old 15th March 2018, 16:56   #1441
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Toyota should probably discontinue the 2.8 Auto models if they can't give proper brakes for the performance it has. I am not kidding.

I thought the issue was once and for all resolved when I got the new rotors (third) and caliper (changed once). But the issue returned once again when I did an outstation trip on Mar 2nd on good roads where good speeds are possible.

I had done my bit to make the brakes cool faster by getting rid of the shield and opting for a bigger wheels for more space around the rotors and caliper and doing this made a little but noticeable difference. But the issue is still there when needing to brake rapidly within a short time span and the steering gets the vibes.

Seriously I do not know what Toyota was thinking when they decided these brakes were enough for a vehicle which has more power and torque than the previous fortuner?? Both weigh almost the same, innova seats 8 compared to fortuner's 7, has better acceleration; but the fortuner gets far better 4 piston solid caliper and larger rotors. Crysta gets a single piston sliding caliper and a smaller rotor (larger than old Innova but still not good).

I am not even comparing with the new fortuner which has far better brakes than even the old fortuner.

Remember old fortuner's brake issue? Toyota upgraded the braking system and recalled the ones already on the road and gave them a new caliper and bigger rotor.

I am actually fed up with the brakes on the Crysta on open roads. If i get a decent job (out of one now) I will probably buy something else which has better brakes and goes as fast.

PS: I did not get this issue after the vehicle was tunes, but I noticed this on the very first highway trip with a stock engine. Tuned or stock, top speed is same as its electronically limited.
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Toyota should probably discontinue the 2.8 Auto models if they can't give proper brakes for the performance it has. I am not kidding.

PS: I did not get this issue after the vehicle was tunes, but I noticed this on the very first highway trip with a stock engine. Tuned or stock, top speed is same as its electronically limited.

It really concerned me when the Crysta was launched and there were no rear disk brakes (again). For a vehicle this size and weight with this amount of power on tap, I fully expected four wheel disk brakes at the minimum. I would blame it on cost cutting but to my knowledge, the international variants of the Crysta also do not have disk brakes in the rear.

As for the vibration, while I drove the car when it was brand new, I didn't notice any vibration in the steering after multiple stops. I've not driven the car since September but my family regularly use it for long distance trips from the NCR to UP or Rajasthan. I routinely ask them about this issue but to date, they've not experienced it.

Have you tried replacing the rotors with those from a different company? Instead of using OEM, perhaps an entirely different but well known brand like Brembo? Normally, this shaking after hard braking can be attributed to warped rotors but this shouldn't be happening after a few hard stops.

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Have you tried replacing the rotors with those from a different company? Instead of using OEM, perhaps an entirely different but well known brand like Brembo? Normally, this shaking after hard braking can be attributed to warped rotors but this shouldn't be happening after a few hard stops.
I keep checking the aftermarket scene regularly for updated rotors and pads for the Crysta. So far nothing is available in India. In south east asian markets aftermarket big brake kits for the new innova (2016 and up, our Crysta) have started appearing but those are custom kits using 4/6pot brembo calipers but not sold online.

The problem occurs when really pushing the vehicle and have to shed speed again accelerate, shed speed and again accelerate doing unmentionable (on our forum) speeds. This is not the situation where coming to full stop is required.
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I keep checking the aftermarket scene regularly for updated rotors and pads for the Crysta. So far nothing is available in India. In south east asian markets aftermarket big brake kits for the new innova (2016 and up, our Crysta) have started appearing but those are custom kits using 4/6pot brembo calipers but not sold online.



The problem occurs when really pushing the vehicle and have to shed speed again accelerate, shed speed and again accelerate doing unmentionable (on our forum) speeds. This is not the situation where coming to full stop is required.

My assumption in this case would be that the factory rotors just aren't cut out for higher performance driving. It's a shame the Brembo parts are unavailable in India yet; I suspect it's only a matter of time before some local people begin carrying it. The only issue I see is that the Crysta isn't really considered by many a high performance vehicle so the demand likely won't be there. I shudder to think of any import duties incurred if you order from abroad, it definitely won't be worth it.

As far as rotors go, have you tried installing slotted rotors to further aid the dissipation of heat? I'd suggest throwing on ceramic pads too in order to maximize cooling. Akebono are my preferred ceramic pad brand though once again, I'm unsure of their availability in India.

Lastly, if (and a big if at that) your vehicle is out of warranty, have you considered swapping the rear drum brake assembly to a disc brake assembly? I've been browsing around and there are reasonably priced kits available online. You'll likely need to do quite a bit of research but it will improve your braking situation. A friend of mine swapped out the drums for discs on his aging muscle car and the difference was almost night and day. Perhaps something to consider?
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The problem occurs when really pushing the vehicle and have to shed speed again accelerate, shed speed and again accelerate doing unmentionable (on our forum) speeds. This is not the situation where coming to full stop is required.
If I am correct, car shudders only when brakes are applied at certain speed say 110-120. The car wont shudder if you apply brakes at a higher or lower speed. Do you often drive on mud roads?
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Hello Crysta fans,

I am unable to see the G variant in diesel or petrol on Toyota's India website.

https://www.toyotabharat.com/pricelist/?model-id=7

Even the brochure doesn't mention it ...

https://www.toyotabharat.com/brochur.../?model-id=117

Has the G variant been discontinued, or is this Toyota's way of pushing you to purchase higher priced variants, while offering the G variant only to fleet ?

A friend's dad who visited a dealership was also pointed towards VX variants when he visited a dealership in Mumbai.

Would appreciate your knowledge, please.

Cheers,

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My assumption in this case would be that the factory rotors just aren't cut out for higher performance driving.
Yes even with stock power. I am not the only one having this problem.

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The only issue I see is that the Crysta isn't really considered by many a high performance vehicle so the demand likely won't be there.
But with the performance and AT convenience on offer there are many who are attracted to the Crysta who wouldn't have wished to own the previous generation Innova.

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As far as rotors go, have you tried installing slotted rotors to further aid the dissipation of heat? I'd suggest throwing on ceramic pads too in order to maximize cooling. Akebono are my preferred ceramic pad brand though once again, I'm unsure of their availability in India.
None available yet sadly :-(

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Lastly, if (and a big if at that) your vehicle is out of warranty, have you considered swapping the rear drum brake assembly to a disc brake assembly? I've been browsing around and there are reasonably priced kits available online. You'll likely need to do quite a bit of research but it will improve your braking situation. A friend of mine swapped out the drums for discs on his aging muscle car and the difference was almost night and day. Perhaps something to consider?
Yes this is something I am willing to do. I have come across disc conversion for older Innova let me see if they do the new ones also. Have to save up for it and probably do after STD warranty runs out next year.

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If I am correct, car shudders only when brakes are applied at certain speed say 110-120. The car wont shudder if you apply brakes at a higher or lower speed. Do you often drive on mud roads?
Of course there was shivering between 110 to 120 when shedding speed repeatedly but that is now more or less fixed after my mod. Now it happens only when slowing down from higher speeds. No only tarmac 99% and the rotors are looking nice and does not have any lines or imperfections on it.
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Happened to see this post come up while I was searching for brakes.

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Such an oversight isn't expected of Toyota. How exactly does one fill brake fluid? A black plastic panel is right above its cap!
The portion of the plastic cowl cover panel above the brake fluid reservoir comes off. We can see in the picture that the plastic cover panel is not a single piece.
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Seriously I do not know what Toyota was thinking when they decided these brakes were enough for a vehicle which has more power and torque than the previous fortuner?? Both weigh almost the same, innova seats 8 compared to fortuner's 7, has better acceleration; but the fortuner gets far better 4 piston solid caliper and larger rotors. Crysta gets a single piston sliding caliper and a smaller rotor (larger than old Innova but still not good).

I am not even comparing with the new fortuner which has far better brakes than even the old fortuner.
Why is it that the Fortuner(old/new) brake discs cannot be retro fitted to the Crysta? Does it involved a lot of basic modifications to get this done?

Drive on,
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Why is it that the Fortuner(old/new) brake discs cannot be retro fitted to the Crysta? Does it involved a lot of basic modifications to get this done?

Drive on,
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Issue 1 -Different PCD hubs and thus rotors.
Issue 2 - Front caliper carrier is different.

So only option is to swap out hubs and axles at front and rear. Rear probably can be done easily with minor mods.

But!!

The front suspension layout of the Fortuner-Hilux and innova are different. All three employ double wishbone setup but wishbone and wishbone mounts of the Fortuner-Hilux is different and is not compatible with Innova's. This makes using Fortuner-Hilux front hubs on Crysta impossible.
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Hello Crysta fans,

I am unable to see the G variant in diesel or petrol on Toyota's India website.

https://www.toyotabharat.com/pricelist/?model-id=7

Even the brochure doesn't mention it ...

https://www.toyotabharat.com/brochur.../?model-id=117

Has the G variant been discontinued, or is this Toyota's way of pushing you to purchase higher priced variants, while offering the G variant only to fleet ?

A friend's dad who visited a dealership was also pointed towards VX variants when he visited a dealership in Mumbai.

Would appreciate your knowledge, please.

Cheers,

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I guess you are referring to G and not GX. G was earlier made to order and I remember dealer informing me that one has pay full amount upfront . Crysta made to order models(Black color is also made to order) typically has waiting period of 2-3 months. I believe this still holds good.
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I guess you are referring to G and not GX. G was earlier made to order and I remember dealer informing me that one has pay full amount upfront . Crysta made to order models(Black color is also made to order) typically has waiting period of 2-3 months. I believe this still holds good.
Thanks PrideRed. Yes, I am referring to G variants and not GX.

If G variants are made to order, they should be mentioned on the website or brochure, at the minimum.

Does anyone know more ?

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Thanks PrideRed. Yes, I am referring to G variants and not GX.

If G variants are made to order, they should be mentioned on the website or brochure, at the minimum.

Does anyone know more ?

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It is mentioned in the brochure. Please check the last page of the brochure, it is mentioned at the bottom of the page that E and G grade are made to order.
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It is mentioned in the brochure. Please check the last page of the brochure, it is mentioned at the bottom of the page that E and G grade are made to order.
Well caught, Sir ! Thank you.

Would you know where the features, specifications and prices of E and G variants can be found ?

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Well caught, Sir ! Thank you.

Would you know where the features, specifications and prices of E and G variants can be found ?

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Carwale has mentioned the feature list. Few months back Toyota updated their range and G version now gets rear AC as I remember. I suggest you to go for GX as it gets decent kit.

Following features are not available on G

1. Seat height adjust
2. Rear armrest
3. Rear Wiper/Wash
4. Motorised ORVM adjustment.
5. Remote locking?(unsure)

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