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| ![]() I really see the Punch as a good option for my parents, from their 10 year old Wagon-R. I'm yet to see the car, but looking at the review, the dimensions are pretty compact, the build quality is good, seating comfort & boot space is good and driving position is high set which should help my mother feel comfortable when shifting from a Wagon-R. Really gonna give a look this time to change the Wagon-R so that I can reasonably feel safe when they take the car out. Best wishes to TATA, but please, work on better engines and Gearboxes. PLEASE. ![]() |
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| ![]() Diesel engine option should have been provided if it's possible to accommodate one. Let the customer decide. Magnite and Kiger come with 2 petrol options, Sonet comes with 2 petrol and one diesel option. And Tata have them ready and being used in other models. Why shy away from taking the fight to the competition when you have the goods? I feel diesel would bring in a lot of numbers as there are only Sonet and Venue in this space and they are a bit bigger vehicles. Also, it could be quite frugal, as seen in Altroz, which is critical to this segment. |
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There are optional factory add-on packages available for each Punch trim. So the rear fog lights could be a part of that. |
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| ![]() Tata Motors is on a roll and they seem to be working on implementing their strategy. They seem to have been focusing on a) Design and b) Safety to differentiate their vehicles from that of the market leaders. They know that their petrol engines are not as refined or powerful as that of Maruti & Hyundai. They also seem to realise that as log as the engines are fuel efficient and reliable, the average Indian car buyer is not going to complain too much as long as the price is right. A Tata vehicle today looks far better than any other product in its class. Marutis look drab in comparison. Many people will buy the Punch ( as they bought the Harrier) just because it looks so much better than its competitors. Tata has introduced the Turbo petrol in 1.2 Altroz. But from what I see on the roads, the 1.2 NA Petrol still outsells the Turbo by a country mile. One reason is that the Turbo is more expensive. At that kind of a price, a large segment of Indians opt for a Hyundai which is still seen by most, as a more desirable brand. Tata keeps trying to attract his segment by talking about safety, an area where he Koreans and Maruti have lagged behind. Tata Motors is still a loss making company and they have to use their resources very carefully. They will keep making their products better ( engines and transmissions) to close the gap on competition, even as they have improved tremendously in terms of design, interior finish and safety . When I bought my Safari Storme a little over 6 years back, most people questioned my decision ( and some my sanity) for investing 16 lakhs in a Tata vehicle. That seems to have changed. I hope that Tata Moors keeps upping its game as the Indian Car buyer needs wider choice. This is especially true at a time when many global manufacturers are pulling out of the Indian market. |
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3 of the 8 cons listed above pertain to the engine. The fourth one is with respect to the AMT. The truth is, Tata Motors is presently at No. 3 in the PV segment in India, thanks largely to its mass market cars - Tiago, Tigor, Altroz and Nexon. A sizeable portion of its sales, that has turned this company around, comes from this 1.2 NA engine and that AMT. By keeping the turbo away at launch, it is possible they can go in for aggressive pricing, and when the competition heats up, introduce a higher variant with the turbo petrol and other features. Rule the segment. The consumers as well as the stock market are handsomely rewarding Tata Motors for its efforts. In this context, I see no reason for them to deviate from what has proven to be a very very successful formula. Quote:
Given that this car is built on the Alfa platform, and shares many things with other Tata cars, including the engine/AMT and the infotainment, I doubt there are many gremlins lurking here. Quote:
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I am merely proving some data points, so that we can understand what this package is missing (Performance). We already know that the tata is built like a tank, and the Maruti is a tin-can. ![]() My point is around the performance gap. Tata should have at least provided an option for the Turbocharged Petrol. Let the People decide what they want! | |
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I could be wrong here but if Tata decides to give these engines later on then surely Punch will be a competitive offering under 10 lakh. | |
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Great review of an appealing, practical urban runabout for which the NA engine need not be a downer | |
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| ![]() ![]() This wobbly light switch is common with even the higher priced Harrier/Safari. The moment you touch it, you are afraid that it is going to break. Can't they find some good quality switches than these Rs 2 swtiches? Heck, they might get some cheap Anchor brand light switches & they would feel like an upgrade. Tata should really really fix up these touch points. This feels so shoddy. This switch is so pathetic. |
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| ![]() Brilliant review. How is the under-thigh support of the rear seat? From the pics, the seats look more or less similar to Altroz and I was disappointed with the under-thigh support of Altroz rear seat. |
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| ![]() Tata punch has a kerb weight of 1030kgs and 86bhp engine. The power to weight ratio is 83.5 bhp/ton. With a torque of 113nm the torque to weight ratio is 110NM/ton. The Maruti Alto 800 has 48 bhp/69 NM and a kerb weight of 762 kgs giving it 63 bhp/ton and 95 NM/ton. With both cars operating a 5 speed manual gearbox how come the Punch 0 to 100 is similar to the Alto? Forget the Alto, the initial Safari Storme had a 138bhp engine with 320nm torque (5 speed manual) and a kerb weight of 2000 kgs. With a lower bhp and NM/ton then the Punch, it could still do a 0 to 100 in about 14 seconds. I think either the Punch 0/100 is wrong or somehow the laws of physics are bent. |
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Mahindra goes: "With our vehicle dynamics - what's the maximum power output we can get away with, so the owners don't kill themselves (from a rollover)? 150hp on a Thar - let's do that!" And TATA Motors goes - "With our excellent dynamics - what's the least power we can get away with, so the owners don't kill themselves (out of boredom!)? 16 - 18 seconds to 100 - let's do that!" Wonderful review yet again and truly impressed by the new TATA Punch and it surely does look like a giant killer ![]() I'm hoping and guessing that this will also get an Altroz spec turbo petrol - sometime next year once the car becomes a sales success. Wonder if this one finally has the punch it takes to steal some numbers from the Maruti Suzuki small car range - the ageing Swift and Ignis. ![]() Last edited by CrAzY dRiVeR : 9th October 2021 at 16:48. | |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() Youtuber Nikhil Rana noticed this last night in the Tata Punch online booking page. It has been subsequently removed from the same page. Expect an official announcement soon. |
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Tata Motors team goes - "Build the car with the most beautiful interior and handsome exterior, which should be able to break through concrete walls. Don't worry about engine, we have one lying around from the Tiago". Mahindra team goes - "Build the car. Plonk every engine from our arsenal until the car doesn't topple on a straight line. Start with the most powerful one first". ![]() Or maybe Tata is cooking something but it's taking too long to be ready. Hope ICE doesn't get banned by the time Tata comes up with the next range of engines! | |
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