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Old 17th December 2021, 10:32   #31
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Tiguan (DSG 4Motion):
(+) Very good ambiance inside at night, nice dash layout, integration, lights, and digital instrument cluster. I am yet to feel the daytime ambiance inside. (I still feel X1 ambiance inside is best of 3 in daytime due to light color interiors). Best rear seat space and comfort almost close to Tucson but better feel here. Family felt composed when I drive at 3-digit speed and do lane changes. Good handling and drives like sedan at most of the conditions. I feel like very easy and joy to drive in city as well as highway comparing other cars. The car was felt like a solid box without any heaviness and roll while driving. Steering is smooth and easy all the time. I felt too light steering when in normal mode in slow speed (but I liked it) but becomes heavier when changing the modes. Well refined engine (2.0 TSI vs diesels) with smooth and fast gearbox (7 speed DQ381) combination. Hardly noticed any shifting. S (sport) mode is the great driving mode all the conditions. Nothing felt sluggish at initial pedal though I felt them in normal mode for some fraction of seconds (not tried echo mode). Here on diesel side, Tucson scores in refinement and smooth AT and X1 scores in performance. NVH level is great. I hear very low tyre/road noise first only at around 70 and then engine noise at 3-digit speeds. Wind noise are much controlled comparing Tucson at 3-digit speed. If we play music system with pleasant volume, we hear nothing from outside.Felt heavy and strong doors than other 2 cars. The LED headlights are great and high beams are providing good reach and coverage. Braking performance as well as pedal feel are great. No jerk or shaky on braking.
  1. Since you plan to test drive again, can you recheck noise levels at high speeds? Please see below from official review.

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    While the Tiguan's engine sound is controlled, wind noise entering the cabin is rather high. Wind noise at 120 km/h was higher than we'd expect in such a premium car. This was disappointing.
  2. What did you think about the audio quality? Would you say it is average or good?
  3. Did you say that Tiguan is more fun to drive than your other options? Does that include X1 (I didn't think so, but I could be wrong)?
  4. It's known that Tucson is less fun to drive. But would you say it is far behind Tiguan?
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Since you plan to test drive again, can you recheck noise levels at high speeds? Please see below from official review.
At 80, no wind noise. I didnít observe the wind noise particularly at 120. I will check it during next TD.

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What did you think about the audio quality? Would you say it is average or good?
Audio quality is decent enough with not much loudness. Adjusted bass and triple to get the right mix for some songs and the punch from door speakers are decent enough (not bass heavy). I asked for any pre-settings like jazz, classic to choose and check but we were unable to find in sound menus searched.

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Did you say that Tiguan is more fun to drive than your other options? Does that include X1 (I didn't think so, but I could be wrong)?
Tiguan is better than X1 to drive in city. I am yet to experience high speed drive of X1 to compare with Tiguan. So far, I did TD of X1 only inside city.

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It's known that Tucson is less fun to drive. But would you say it is far behind Tiguan?
If one drives Tucson and Tiguan back-to-back, surely feel the obvious difference. But only with Tucson, it is not bad at all.
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Clearly the dealers in Bangalore are far behind the curve. PPS VW started talking about Taigun when I told him its Tiguan I am interested in. I had to stop him twice from bragging about Taigun before he got back on track only to mention that the TD cars are yet to arrive and they 'may' next week. The person on the other end of the line promised to have a sales exec get in touch with me but that's about it, I haven't heard back from them. VW Palace Cross was marginally better in the sense, they did give a call back in 15 minutes as promised, but the SA was focusing on me doing the booking. I had to firmly tell him no decision until I TD the car. At which point he went to say they have 20+ bookings and the waiting list is 4 months. He then added that they are waiting for approval of their TD car. At this point I go yawn. I believe one of the admins mentioned that Skoda is much better in terms of communication compared to VW in Bangalore. I cant help but believe it to be true at this point.

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Test drove the Tiguan today. The Gurgaon dealership has a white one available starting today and I was called in for a quick 20 min drive. My observations

- solid build, typical VW
- the paint quality was good, though I am not big fan of white but the car looked nice
- youíll probably not turn around for another look, specially a white Tiguan.
- seats were very comfy, both front and back . Seating position was very good for the driver. I was easily able to get comfortable and the view of the road was perfect
- good space at the back. I am 6í1Ē and I could sit behind myself. Seats are wide too.
- took the drive around early evening and the cabin looks nice with the ICE and the digital cluster all lit up
- engine is very smooth. I test drove the Octavia a week back so I was expecting nothing different here.
- engine could be a tad more responsive between 5-20 kph but I am nitpicking.
- gearbox is very smooth, it does hesitate for a bit if you want to accelerate suddenly but most people wonít complain. Shifts are fast and smooth with gentle to regular throttle.
- the car is very easy to drive in the city with the light steering and is very easy to manoeuvre. Steering felt slightly better than Octavia probably due to thicker tyres
- suspension is stiff. Itís not too bad but youíll definitely feel the smaller potholes sharply.

Overall I was impressed but the price is steep. Very steep. My wife wasnít impressed by the dark interiors as well but that could be very subjective as I was OK with them. I am also looking at an X1 with year end discounts and personally I preferred the petrol X1ís drive - that car is more eager and feels tighter to drive. Sad reality is that cars have gotten very expensive- in my head the Tiguan felt like 32-33 lakh rupee car at max but it is 4 lakh more expensive. I also plan to try out the Fortuner petrol soon and will post my comments post a test drive.

All in all if I manage to get a good deal on the X1, Iíll close that or Iíll wait for the Kodiaq to launch and then compare with Tiguan. The deliveries for Tiguan are slated to begin end of Jan based on what the advisor said.
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Just called Hyderabad dealer and they are expecting display and test drive vehicles to be available only in the month end or early January.
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All in all if I manage to get a good deal on the X1, Iíll close that or Iíll wait for the Kodiaq to launch and then compare with Tiguan. The deliveries for Tiguan are slated to begin end of Jan based on what the advisor said.
As you know Kodiaq is a 7 seater and so more likely to be priced couple of lacs more than Tiguan. Deserves if compared with Tiguan because of the size and other Skoda factors including the sound system etc. I would be very surprised to see Kodiaq costing below 40L OTR anywhere here after discount.
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As you know Kodiaq is a 7 seater and so more likely to be priced couple of lacs more than Tiguan. Deserves if compared with Tiguan because of the size and other Skoda factors including the sound system etc. I would be very surprised to see Kodiaq costing below 40L OTR anywhere here after discount.
This time around they're launching the Kodiaq L&K along with the Sportline. So definitely expect similar to Superb Sportline features on that like the three spoke steering, black alcantara interiors, etc. and for an almost similar price to the Tiguan. It would miss out on few of the features offered in L&K to name a few such as Canton sound, 360 cams, ventilated seats, and drive modes. Worth waiting for the Kodiaq Sportline.
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Friends, what will be my compromises if I pick Kodiaq over Tiguan, assuming I don't really need a 7 seater?
  • Additional cost
  • Bigger size difficult to navigate in city
  • Relatively less fun to drive?
  • Lower fuel efficiency given the extra weight
  • Is the same engine really suitable for a bigger/heavier Kodiaq, or will it be underwhelming like the older diesel Kodiaq?

On the flip side, I like Kodiaq's interiors way better, and in addition it has a punchy audio system, ventilated seats, etc.
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Saw the Tiguan yesterday just when the showroom was closing for the day. So got 5 10 mins. On road mumbai with extended warranty is over 39 lakhs. Without that it's <38.5
Definitely a car which feels premium and looks better overall in person.
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Would have booked it if it were 35 even without a test drive

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Visited the VW showroom to have a look at the car. Few observations and takeaways from a long discussion with Sales staff:

1. Core of a Car according to me are build quality + engine + transmission + suspension : All are at par/better than players in 35-45L range in my opinion. Sitting position is very good and it has ample space for 4 member family. I am not a fan of 3 row design where 3rd row is unusable
Today got a 12-13km test drive between highway, city and bumpy interior roads. The car is very well behaved but aggressive when you want it to be. The Turbo is amazing when it kicks-in and pushes back the occupants in their seats. The handling is sharp, brakes are responsive and taking U-turns was not a problem (very less body roll). The suspension is hard, you will feel the potholes but their are no jerks. The 4.5M length is very convenient and I was able to drive it like a sub-4M car. I was all smiles after the test drive

Also, the average on the display till now was 8.6KM/L. Which is not bad for this configuration and this being a demo car.

The absence of features is evident till the time one starts driving, after 10 mins, they cease to be that important given the pure driving pleasure. What doesn't go away is the steep price.

I have a pre-booking and have another 45 days to figure out if I want to go ahead or not. Don't expect Hyundai to provide this driving pleasure in Tuscon, same with Kia Sportage.

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Driving the Volkswagen Tiguan 2.0L Turbo Petrol Automatic


The biggest change in the Tiguan is under the bonnet. The 2.0L TDI diesel engine has been replaced by a 2.0L TSI petrol engine, which produces 187 BHP @ 4,200 - 6,000 rpm and 320 Nm @ 1,500 - 4,100 rpm. It is mated to a 7-speed DSG transmission with a 4MOTION AWD system. The Tiguan ARAI fuel efficiency rating = 12.65 km/l:


This 2.0-litre turbo petrol engine along with the 7-speed DSG automatic gearbox is the only powertrain on offer in the 2021 Tiguan. The combination is shared with the Skoda Octavia, Skoda Superb and Audi A4. It will also be seen on some upcoming cars such as the Skoda Kodiaq. The performance of this engine is strong with 187 BHP and 320 Nm on tap. With the torque available from low revs, the 2.0 is quite tractable and enjoyable at all speeds. That said, it is disappointing that VAG hasn't bothered to make its durable, efficient & powerful 2.0 TDI engine BS6-compliant. That puts the Tiguan at a disadvantage as there are many diesel lovers in the premium segments. Plus, that 2.0 diesel was a workhorse for high-mileage customers in a way that the 2.0 TSI can never be. Petrol has now crossed 100 bucks a litre and there is a significant operating cost difference between 7 - 10 city km/l and 12 - 14 km/l for the heavy runners. Important to note that all crossovers & SUVs in this price band offer a diesel.

In the city, the 2.0 motor's healthy bottom end helps you get around effortlessly. Throttle response is good and the Tiguan moves smoothly. Add to that, the direct injection and turbocharger ensure that the engine isn't lethargic at low RPMs. There's always more than enough power on tap to accelerate or overtake quickly. The minimal turbo lag just makes it that much more responsive. While the DSG gearbox is super smooth 99% of the time, it can get jerky at crawling speeds in bumper-to-bumper traffic (an unfortunate DSG trait). Tip: Use the super convenient auto-hold function in traffic.

Drive with a light foot and the gearbox moves up the ratios pretty quickly. It is eager to reach higher gears and you will see it upshift under 2,000 rpm. Impressively though, you won't feel these shifts as the transition is very smooth. The Tiguan's steering is light at city speeds and the car doesn't feel as big as its dimensions suggest. A turning radius of 5.39 meters, which is significantly smaller than the 5.75 meters of the old Tiguan means those tight turns are easily manageable. The Tiguan is a breeze to drive & you will enjoy driving it in the city.

Out on the highway is when things go from good to great! This is easily among the most fun-to-drive SUVs this side of the luxury marques. You'll find yourself addicted to flooring the throttle whenever there's an empty stretch of road. Outright performance is excellent and the strong mid-range takes care of all the overtaking you need to do. You will literally fly past slower traffic. The downshifts are quick and the gearbox responds well to throttle inputs. The engine revs beautifully to ~6,200 rpm and importantly, sounds lovely and sporty while doing so. While this is enjoyable, we would have liked to see 6,500 - 6,700 rpm to play with as this rpm level is way too low (some diesels rev to 5,500 rpm!). In terms of cruisability, the Tiguan can run at triple-digit speeds all day long without breaking into a sweat. The engine spins at a relaxed ~1,800 rpm at 100 km/h and ~2,000 rpm at 120 km/h. And touring you must do - this car is built for long-distance road trips. In summary, the 2.0 TSI is a jewel of a motor that will keep you happy at low revs & high, and in the city as well as on the highway. The 2.0 petrol engine too is an all-rounder.

The Tiguan uses a 7-speed DSG gearbox, which belongs to the DQ381 family and has a wet clutch setup. The DQ381 has been around for a couple of years internationally and online customer complaints are fewer ​in number than VW's older DSGs. Still, we have serious reservations regarding the long-term reliability of any VW / Skoda DSG and strongly recommend getting that extended warranty.

Cruising around in D mode, one won't even notice the gears being shifted. They are damn smooth. The kickdown response time is quick and you will never feel that the gearbox is hunting for gears either. It's in the right ratio almost all the time. When you are in the mood to drive the car aggressively, engage 'Sport' mode. This puts the car in 'high alert' mode and its senses are heightened. The DSG holds onto gears longer before upshifting and you'll also notice that the gearbox is eager to downshift at the slightest of throttle inputs. People with a heavy foot will love S mode for sure. However, in the city where the traffic is heavy, you will find S mode to be jerky.

Paddle shifters have been provided and you will enjoy using them with this turbo-petrol. The response time is quick and they are fun to use on a twisty section of road. Tap the left paddle for a downshift and you'll notice the ECU blipping the throttle to match the revs, which is quite satisfying & addictive. There's a good amount of engine braking available too. But again, with such a combination, the paddle shifters would've been a lot more fun if the engine offered 500 - 1,000 more revs to play with.

The Tiguan's DSG features an "S" mode, which is similar in function to other VW cars. "S" mode changes the gearbox's shift points. The gearbox holds onto gear longer too. One can engage the manual Tiptronic mode by moving the gear lever to the right into the Tiptronic gate, or by clicking on any of the plastic paddles. Tiptronic works in both "D" & "S" modes. The response time in Tiptronic is decent and the DSG holds onto gears. One can use this mode to keep the engine in its powerband (at the cost of higher revs), which can be useful for overtaking manoeuvres.

Apart from the gearbox's "S" mode, the Tiguan has a host of driving modes, which change the parameters of the engine, gearbox, steering, ESP, adaptive lights and air-con. In addition to the usual Sport and Eco modes, you get an offroad mode and a snow mode. To change between the different modes is easy once you get the hang of it. The Tiguan gets a rotary knob known as the '4Motion Active Control' with 4 modes available - Snow, On-road, Offroad and Offroad Individual. The default mode is the "On-road" mode. When the dial is in the "On-road" position, one can further select between 4 sub-modes, namely Eco, Normal, Sport and Individual. Each mode changes the engine's characteristics, gearbox shift points, air-con operation, steering weight, etc.

• Normal mode: This is the default mode you should use for everyday driving. It is a good balance between economy & power. Anytime you need to perform some quick overtaking manoeuvres, you can always flick the gear lever in "S" mode for better performance.

• Sport mode: Engage Sport mode and you'll feel the throttle to be sharper. The engine feels more responsive in Sport mode for sure. Acceleration seems to be noticeably improved. This is the mode for when you're in the 'mood'. It certainly helps when driving on undivided highways too, where it is necessary to overtake vehicles quickly. For regular city driving, however, this mode can feel peaky. The steering also feels heavier than the other modes. The headlights adjust more dynamically here.

• Eco mode: Engage Eco and you'll immediately see the air-con blower's level drop down a notch. The climate control doesn't work as hard in Eco mode - it still cools the cabin sufficiently though. Power delivery is lazier, with the throttle response dulled a bit. Overall, because the engine is reasonably powerful, Eco mode is still useable. It doesn't feel too sluggish and there is sufficient grunt on tap to keep you cruising at higher speeds. When it comes to quick overtaking, you will need Normal or Sport modes.

• Individual mode: The driver can choose to adjust the individual parameters such as the steering, drive and air-conditioning, according to his preferences.

The Tiguan comes with a convenient 'auto hold' feature which owners will love in the city. While the vehicle is waiting at a signal, the driver can lift his foot off the brake pedal and the vehicle will stay in place. No need to keep the brake pedal continuously pressed.

Volkswagen has equipped the Tiguan with its 4MOTION all-wheel-drive system. As is usually the case with such crossovers, in normal conditions, the system sends power to the front wheels only. If road conditions require more traction, it will send the necessary amount of torque to the rear wheels. The system monitors which of the four wheels has the most traction and is able to send torque to those wheels. If slippery roads make a wheel lose traction, the system hits the brake on that wheel and transfers the remaining power to the other wheels. The AWD will help you when touring remote parts of the country and over the likes of slush, muck & sand. It's no offroader like the Fortuner though.

There are 3 terrain modes one can choose from by using the rotary knob on the centre console (over and above the on-road mode):

• Snow - This should be engaged on icy or snow-covered roads. It provides better accelerator sensitivity in these conditions. "S" mode is disabled.

• Offroad - Accelerator sensitivity is adjusted for rough terrain and unpaved roads. Engine braking is always available and hill start assist + hill descent control are switched on. Acceleration is restricted while driving downhill and it is not possible to shift to "S" mode.

• Offroad individual - All the adjustments that are made under the offroad mode are incorporated in this mode. Additionally, the driver can customize certain parameters to his liking (explanatory pic toward the end of this post).

Noise, Vibration & Harshness (NVH)



As you would expect in a premium SUV like this, refinement levels are overall satisfactory. The engine idles softly and you'd barely notice it while driving around sedately. Rev the 2.0 TSI and a nice, sporty note are audible in the cabin. Wind noise is well controlled even when driving at 120 km/h.

Mileage & Fuel Economy



The Tiguan 2.0 TSI engine with the DSG automatic has an ARAI rating of 12.65 km/l. We would expect 7 - 10 km/l in the city, depending on traffic density. Do note that turbo-petrols are very sensitive to throttle input and if you drive it hard (which you will), the fuel gauge will drop much faster. The Tiguan's fuel tank capacity is 60 litres.

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The Tiguan uses a MacPherson strut suspension up front and a multi-link setup at the rear. The suspension feels too firm for Indian conditions. While owners who drive themselves might find the ride acceptable (it's better at the front), those sitting at the rear will definitely not be comfortable. They will complain. On the back seat, road imperfections come in easily at low speeds and on broken roads, it can get bone-jarring. Volkswagen should have softened it more for our kind of roads; we don't have blemish-free tarmac like Europe! You can also hear some suspension 'thuds' in the cabin. I must add that the poor ride quality is probably accentuated by the 18" rims and 235/55 profile tyres.

While the recommended tyre pressure is 36 PSI, the tyres on our test car were pumped up to 42 PSI. This made the ride very bumpy. We dropped it to 33 PSI all-round and things became better. The ride became more compliant, but still, we feel that the suspension is a level too firm for India. You simply feel too much of the road in the Tiguan.

As the speedometer climbs, ride quality does get better, but it still cannot be termed plush. As long as the expressway is smooth, there are no issues. Big & sharp bumps easily make their presence felt inside the cabin though. It's nowhere near the ride offered by something like the Citroen C5 Aircross. There is no comparison.

To sum it up, the Tiguan comes with a typical German suspension that gives it good road manners, but again, you feel bad roads. Potholes and broken surfaces are very evident inside the cabin. Owners will not appreciate this ride quality.

Handling & Dynamics



The good thing about such a suspension tune is the high-speed behaviour. The car feels very solid and very planted. Especially with this 2.0 TSI, you could have a lot of fun with the car in a way that you could never do with the 2.0 TDI because its power rating was a relatively low 138 BHP. The car's high-speed stability is excellent and it feels damn composed at triple-digit speeds. The Tiguan masks silly speeds with ease.

For an SUV, the Tiguan exhibits good handling characteristics. Guess the taut suspension helps here. Grip levels from the 235 mm Hankook tyres are excellent, with the Tiguan holding her line through the curves smartly. Corner harder and there is some body roll felt, but it's never excessive. The dynamics are typically German and certainly superior to its competitors.

Steering



While the electric power steering is accurate and weighs up at highway speeds (although not as much as enthusiasts would like), it offers very little feel and feedback. On the positive side, it's light at city & parking speeds. This, along with the delightful DSG gearshifts, smaller turning radius (5.39 m) and the relatively urban-friendly dimensions makes the Tiguan easier to drive in the city.

Braking



Like other cars in its segment, the Tiguan is equipped with disc brakes all around. The brakes are top class. The car had no problems stopping in a straight line, even when we slammed on the brake pedal at speed. However, I did get the feeling that the brakes are too sensitive to pedal pressure and this can take some getting used to.

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The Tiguan 2.0 TSI engine with the DSG automatic has an ARAI rating of 12.65 km/l. We would expect 7 - 10 km/l in the city, depending on traffic density. Do note that turbo-petrols are very sensitive to throttle input and if you drive it hard (which you will), the fuel gauge will drop much faster. The Tiguan's fuel tank capacity is 60 litres.
The lack of diesel options was exactly the reason why we skipped VW Tiguan (VW, Skoda Group) when we brought our Harrier (I have explained the buying decision in another post: Harrier thread). I love the driving dynamic of VW vehicles and their built-to-the-last or built-to-purpose feeling. It's usually not the cost-of-petrol vs. cost-of-diesel it's the number of fuel stops that keeps reminding you that have brought a white elephant.

Our VW Polo GT (1.0 TSI) at times when driven in S mode returns 4 to 4.5 km/l within city limits. Of course, on highways, it has given us up to 15kmpl. Very sensitive to throttle response. But the hands-down winner on the fun to drive is GT. In our case, Harrier can never beat the fun in driving that GT gives us.

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Nice crisp review.

Based on most of the reviews, Tiguan did not come as a surprise from what I thought. It is most fun to drive in the segment. I am totally in love with the looks of the car and the interiors - simple, elegant and speaks quality. Only grouse as mentioned previously is lack of TDI engines.
Again if I am changing my Octavia now and do not want to spend on 3 series, this is the only car I would buy. Obviously I haven't driven this, but I am sure the drive will only have more favourable opinion.
Superb and Kodiaq are too big for my taste, Octavia though good would not feel an upgrade. Other cars for me do not stand a chance (atleast till 55 lakhs)
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The suspension feels too firm for Indian conditions. While owners who drive themselves might find the ride acceptable (it's better at the front), those sitting at the rear will definitely not be comfortable. They will complain. On the back seat, road imperfections come in easily at low speeds and on broken roads, it can get bone-jarring.
This is definitely a deal-breaker! It's difficult to live with a car that your family doesn't enjoy.
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Thanks for a nice and crisp review.

Although I wasn't hopeful that VW would retune the suspension for better ride quality, it comes as a big disappointment.

Will reducing the PSI further (to say 30-31 levels) improve the ride? If yes, is it even recommended?
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