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| ![]() As a buyer, you agree to pay premium for the following potential benefits of Hybrid tech: 1. Fuel efficiency 2. Improvement in comfort due to smooth drive and lower NVH 3. Environment friendly #2 is not that noticeable in A/B/C segments especially Honda because they do a very poor job of NVH. Road and ambient noise far worse than engine noise. #3 is a luxury many can't afford in our market. What this means is that unlike say Lexus ES where people prioritise #2 and #3, this car will be judged purely based on cost savings due to fuel efficiency. That's bad news for Honda. Last edited by androdev : 5th May 2022 at 08:56. |
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| ![]() Thanks for the great review. Its very interesting in terms of the technology, as many pointed out hybrid makes more sense now than EV. Couple of points compared to my 5th Gen City ZX. - To justify the steep price difference, for me it'll take 10+ years of driving. - Not sure how Honda is positioning this car - is it primarily for city drives? Long trips may not be practical considering the boot space. - On ideal conditions (2 persons with normal luggage), I get 18+ kmpl on highways with my ZX petrol. So once again it might be targeted for city drives where my ZX's mileage drops to around 12-13 kmpl. But still, cheers to Honda for introducing a new model in India. |
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| ![]() The pricing makes this car dead on arrival. In Pune, the on-road price would be approx. 23Lakh, which is about 5.5 lakh more than non-hybrid ZX CVT. Add discounts and negotiations and the difference may touch 5.75. Heck, I got my ZX CVT for 16.85lakh in Oct 2021 with all add-ons (which is 6.15L cheaper than this Hybrid). That's a humongous difference and will take forever to recover, even with best of the FEs for hybrid and rising petrol prices. At this price point, I expect better infotainment, good camera quality, ventilated seats, all wheel disk brakes, wireless charging, electrically adjustable driver seat, sun blinds for rear windows, UV protection windshields and better tyre profile. Am I asking too much? Well, I get all this for at least 1.5 lakh less in Korean SUVs and that too a diesel AT. Cheaper fuel, similar fuel efficiency and more boot space compared to City Hybrid. I will any day opt for these day to day usable features over ADAS which IMO is useless in almost 75% driving conditions in India. Quote:
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| ![]() Will city hybrid go the Jazz way due to super high pricing? My guess is there would be very few takers for this hybrid because for the sake of higher efficiency, you lose out on the boot space which is critical for outstation family visits and the fun of normal petrol engine for which ivtech is known for. The hybrid car drives by itself and you have no control over how you want to drive except just press the pedal and wait for it to respond. |
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On Toyota Hybrids, the 12V battery handles the accessory load only before the Lithium ion battery comes on. Once the Lithium ion battery comes on, everything related to electric power is handled by the Lithium Ion battery and the 12 V battery is no longer used. Is that the case with Honda as well ? |
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Secondly the Ni-Mh battery pack is upwards of 200V so cannot power the electrical accessory system unless wasting energy. However just like ICE car the 12V standard battery needs to be kept topped up which is what the electric motor and Ni-MH battery pack will do. Power still goes from 12V battery to the ACC. Do you have details on how the Toyota system works? Cause it doesnt make sense to have a ACC load directly to hybrid battery pack and risk damage to the unit with unknown loads. | |
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| ![]() Hybrids are definitely here to stay for sure. IMHO they are the perfect bridging gap between the ICEs and EVs. Anyone who's contemplating on buying an EV but is worried about the charging infrastructure and poor service backup can boldly opt for an EV in the interim. Hope many manufacturers take a note of this and make more hybrids across all segments of cars and lets hope for the government to offer subsidies and perks a la the EVs. Too much of a price difference between an ICE and the hybrid counterpart of the same model is unjustifiable according to me, which is why I think this might not work for Honda. Same applies to Maruti and Toyota as well. Hope they are doing their groundwork properly and launch hybrids sensibly. |
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On the side may be Honda would have been better of fitting the City with a CNG kit and 'emasculating' it, like Maruti does instead of this expensive blunder, since they have a diesel may be that should have been enough... Last edited by Durango Dude : 5th May 2022 at 14:07. | |
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If I remember correctly XPeng uses Lidar also(1 Lidar, 1 Radar, 13 cameras), at one point I have seen XPeng system behave better at driving than Tesla, not sure with Tesla's latest FSD which uses only 8 cameras. |
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And with regards to durability, what I have read of is that
I could be wrong here as I'm learning about hybrids as well. The reason for 7 year failures of NiMH could be more due to the filters for the battery air intake not maintained properly than about the tech itself. If NiMH was not reliable, Toyota wouldn't be stupid to give it an 8 year battery warranty and an additional 2 years optional warranty. Quote:
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After seeing your post and doing more research, I'm not 100% sure if this stepped down voltage is also used for powering the accessories or is it taken from the 12V battery. In a reference video by "The Car Care Nut", he mentions that after starting the High Voltage Circuit, you can throw away the 12 V battery and things will still work. But, he is not very specific on where the accessories draws the current from once the high voltage circuitry comes up. Reference Videos Last edited by amalji : 5th May 2022 at 17:08. | |||
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