[sarwahi]

City Hybrid's real world mileage tested by Autocar India.


https://www.autocarindia.com/car-new...plained-425008

[vkarora]

Sales numbers and Availability


Do we have some data on how many units of Honda city hybrid are on the road yet? Have not seen many on road yet, barring one on the way to office.

While the showroom guys in Noida told me they are all sold out and there is a wait till Oct for Red or White variant. However, when i asked the sales rep how many they managed to sell in May and June, his figures were 11 and 4. He opened up a bit more and said, grey and brownish tone are available in the stock. You can take delivery within 2 days of booking.

Earlier in the week, i got a follow up call from the team of Honda on my experience with test drive and dealership. They were cross-checking if any schemes were offered by the dealer? i was not sure what they meant cos i did probe them is it some exchange scheme you are referring to or some other benefit in kind? they were not keen to mention anything but said dealers keep on running schemes time to time. I am keen to go for the vehicle, meets most of my requirements, but then wondering should i wait for festive season or year-end to see if any schemes get launched.

What's the scene in other cities across India ?

[Shreyans_Jain]

Originally Posted by vkarora

[b]

While the showroom guys in Noida told me they are all sold out and there is a wait till Oct for Red or White variant. However, when i asked the sales rep how many they managed to sell in May and June, his figures were 11 and 4. He opened up a bit more and said, grey and brownish tone are available in the stock. You can take delivery within 2 days of booking.

Everyone and their neighbor know the car is overpriced and is a hard sell. Hence this artificial scarcity, to create an illusion of high demand, justify the price tag and not having to offer discounts. This tactic is now standardised among all manufacturers. The car is generally available, unless you choose a colour that may actually not be in stock.

[vkarora]

I agree its overpriced but time will tell if Honda's strategy pays off ? Right now its not. But there is hardly any good sedan in the market right now, especially those who have experienced Honda prior. The VAG twins - have inherent DSG prbs and big NO, post that its a big jump to Octavia.

[S2!!!]

Originally Posted by sarwahi

City Hybrid's real world mileage tested by Autocar India.


https://www.autocarindia.com/car-new...plained-425008

A bit repetitive to some, but if someone is looking to buy the City Hybrid purely from the perspective of lower running costs, this post could be an eye-opener.

According to Autocar India, average fuel efficiency figures are 14.6kpl for P MT, 14.2kpl for P AT, 17.7kpl for D MT and 21.2kpl for Hybrid. With cost of petrol and diesel in Delhi being Rs 96.72 per litre and Rs 89.62 per litre respectively, the average fuel cost per kilometer works out to be Rs 6.6 per km for P MT, Rs 6.8 per km for P AT, Rs 5.1 per km for D MT and Rs 4.6 per km for Hybrid. Hence, by opting for the Hybrid one would save Rs 2.1 per km over the P MT, Rs 2.2 per km over the P AT and Rs 0.5 per km over the D MT.

The Hybrid is Rs 5.59 lakh, Rs 4.29 lakh and Rs 4.09 lakh pricier than the top-spec P MT, P AT and D MT, respectively. So without factoring recurring costs like insurance, maintenance or taking inflation into account, if we simply divide the initial premium the Hybrid commands by the savings in fuel cost per kilometer, we arrive at a break-even point, which is that point in the ownership when one fully recovers the initial investment and begins to reap benefits of the Hybrid’s lower running costs. Going by this calculation, if you opt for the Honda City Hybrid, it’ll take you 2.72 lakh km, 1.91 lakh km and 8.33 lakh km over the P MT, P AT and D MT to recover the initial investment and finally benefit from marginally lower fuel bills.

With break-even points this high, even fleet operators will struggle to build a case for the Hybrid over any other variants of the Honda City. Sure, to enhance its perceived value to some extent, Honda has slapped on a sporty body kit and added segment-first ADAS. But at the end of the day, it is about the feel-good factor of doing your bit for the environment and the practicality of an ICE vehicle, without any of the limitations of an all-electric vehicle such as limited range and charging infrastructure, that builds its case.

[SPB_drives]

Honda City Hybrid drive impressions

This week I could get done with office a little earlier than usual and thought of checking out the new Honda City Hybrid. At home, we have the Jeep Compass (2017 model, diesel manual) and the Maruti Baleno (2019 model, petrol manual). I’m considering to add another car to be used predominately for city runabouts. With the hype around the Toyota Hyryder gaining pace, I thought of discovering what the hybrid technology has to present and whether it can serve as the stop-gate-arrangement until we fully transition to EVs.

Key positive points:
- The car had a nice heft to it; the switch gear and buttons all had nice tactile feedback which instantly made me think that the car appears to be well put together;
- The floor height remain unchanged as the batteries are placed in the boot, so the seating position remains like the ICE city;
- The shift from EV mode to engine mode is pretty smooth and seamless;
- The electronic parking brake and the auto-hold along with the ADAS features all add-up to present a very up-to-date and modern product;
- The instrument cluster, while only part digital, is very well laid out, and presents loads of options for viewing and keeping a track of the car;
- The steering response is very good and you will enjoy chucking this car in the corners;
- The suspension set up is compliant and absorbed all of the road undulations very well.

Key negatives points:
- No electronic seat adjustment;
- No wireless charging or wireless android auto
- The audio system is really outdated and the pixilation on screen is very much visible, more so when the reversing camera is used;
- The lane change assist camera is only on the left side, and the image quality is unacceptable;
- As the typical Indian roads can present some really nasty potholes on the road, the low ground clearance can get your heartbeat racing.

The driving feel
I took a 45-minute test drive in Delhi and came away rather impressed. The car drives very smoothly and as it automatically keeps shifting between the EV mode and engine mode, the car picks up from the low end very comfortingly. When you press the accelerator hard, the engine most often cranks up and you will get a gentle linear pull while the motor is making sounds as if its changing gears. The overall drive is not as electrifying – as, say, in the Nexon EV or MG ZS, but given that you will not have any range anxiety with this hybrid, IMO, this hybrid is actually the more practical solution. And I now think the Toyota and Maruti’s approach towards strong hybrid products rather than EV offerings might actually make more sense. Overall, the car felt sprightly but not overall urgent in its power delivery, and this can be considered livable, in fact, enjoyable, in a day-to-day driving scenario.

Other important bits
The boot size is compromised due to the batteries, which is not acceptable when you consider the overall outlay of moolah which will take place if one decides to buy this car. The audio system, has an unacceptable display and the sound output was average and nothing to write home about. Overall, despite its shortcomings, I was smitten with this car considering that it is futuristic. I do have concerns regarding the overall maintenance of the car, while I would want to trust the ‘Honda’ badge in this regard, considering that the service staff is yet unaware about this overly complex hybrid system, I may not get the best help to sort out any issues which may come up. Also, the benefit of easy maintenance generally associated with EVs does not get attached to a hybrid car as it actually might require more care.

The future
Right now, I’m awaiting for the Hyryder and Vitara siblings to fully break cover and be available for test drives. Also, I would want to wait at least for a year to see that there are no initial niggles with these products – the worrisome stories of the Skoda Kushaq owners has taught me well. The pricing of these two upcoming cars also plays an important role, and I’m hoping they will be able to justify their price tags (which are expected to be at the premium end).

[GeeTee TSI]

I love the technology packed into the car - both the drivetrain as well as the ADAS (more specifically the former) and it seems the ideal technology to transition into for low speed intermittent and interrupted city commutes; this side of an EV

Just that at 4.5 m+, this is really not a city car and I would have loved to have this package in a (sub) 4m hatch with Jazz kind of practicality thrown in (the original not the later watered-down ones).

For this internationally specced variant, I wonder the City hybrid is priced at par with hybrids in developed markets

[veyron_head]

I just got off a test drive of the city hybrid 30 minutes ago. Just a couple of minutes into the drive I got pain in my mid and lower back that is still hurting as I write this. The lumbar support cushion was pushing into my back while driving. Is this a known issue in the city? has anyone faced this? I am also not sure if it is because I never bothered to adjust the seat from its previous position (set by someone else). Any insights or advice here would be really helpful. I have asked for another test drive tomorrow morning.

The car itself is just awesome, the drive is buttery smooth. The onroad price here in Bangalore is 25.3 lacs. Though expensive, I would have booked today if I didn't get the back pain.

[Mumbaiker]

Just got the new pricelist for Mumbai. If we look at it closely, they have not mentioned Red and Silver as colour options at all.

I'm now in a fix, if I should keep my booking or cancel it. The sales advisor doesn't know if and when the red or silver would be available.

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[ajayc123]

Originally Posted by Mumbaiker

Just got the new pricelist for Mumbai. If we look at it closely, they have not mentioned Red and Silver as colour options at all.

I'm now in a fix, if I should keep my booking or cancel it. The sales advisor doesn't know if and when the red or silver would be available.

[ATTACH=City eHEV Price List 01 08 2022-1.pdf]2342599[/ATTACH]

Oh no. First you booked red, that is gone, next you changed to silver, now that is also gone. Are you again changing to a new colour, or looking elsewhere?

[beemrao]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

Honda City e:HEV (Hybrid) Review

Hi, thanks for the great review! Is there any heads-up of Honda launching a hybrid Jazz version?


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Thanks!

[veyron_head]

Originally Posted by beemrao

Hi, thanks for the great review! Is there any heads-up of Honda launching a hybrid Jazz version? ![/b]

Quite the opposite. They are discontinuing Jazz an WRV as per news reports.

[Mumbaiker]

A 1000km run in the eHev by AutoCar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_YnRHKuQvQ

It was a very sedate drive at 50-60kmph. But the mileage is better than claimed mileage.

[Latheesh]

Originally Posted by Mumbaiker

It was a very sedate drive at 50-60kmph. But the mileage is better than claimed mileage.

34.59 kmpl mileage by maintaining 50-60 kmph speed. That is superb. They could have checked with a more practical speed range of 70-80 kmph.

[sunilch]

Originally Posted by Latheesh

34.59 kmpl mileage by maintaining 50-60 kmph speed. That is superb. They could have checked with a more practical speed range of 70-80 kmph.

Yes, that was too sedate. At that rate, even the regular ICE Honda City can give 20+ kmpl easily. 70-90 Kmph is a better range to test the FE for this type of journey.