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When you see the powerflow meter in the image with the engine mode, you can see the arrow moves from engine to wheels and engine to battery both. | |
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| ![]() Loved everything with this release except the space factor. Honda is essentially selling the utility of a car smaller than Jazz ( with the reduced boot space ) at a 5 lakhs plus premium over the costliest City. They should have figured out a way to tuck in the ev components under the rear seat like in the Camry. That would have made this a great release. I'm looking at a hybrid as a potential 2nd car and I'll give this a miss for now. |
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BHPian ![]() | ![]() Revolutionizing tech for sure, but I feel this should have been better choice for at least two segment above cars, like Accord with a premium of 5 lakhs or so. City costing 20 lakhs (my guess) is something un-justifiable for me personally, while an Innova costs around this price and it is going to initiate discussions for the VFM-ness. The one thing I like is that Honda manages to eliminate gearbox altogether, not like Toyota's hybrid which is an full ICE with gearbox package. Initially, I was interested with City but then, I felt this is too complex and might not work for my use (2nd car after an Innova) especially with the price of 20 lakhs around. |
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Instead they took the easy way out and started selling Maruti's in their showrooms. If you are waiting for a second car and want a Hybrid the choice you will have is Maruti's lame smart hybrid tech rebadged as a Toyota. Toyota's apathy to the indian buyer shows with the line up they have in the showroom. Atleast Honda is waking up. | |
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![]() I'll wait for more strong Hybrid releases from both Toyota and Honda. I'm hoping that the City is just a start of an era of Hybrids that are going to hit our market. The kind of complexity that's involved with Hybrids, I'm not going to think beyond Toyota/Honda here. They are the best hybrid manufacturers globally! | |
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| ![]() Lovely tech laden car. Wonder if this would lead to HONDA service going the SKODA way!! The fact is such high tech vehicles need above average understanding to operate / utilise the car without complaints. GoodLuck Honda and Thanks for the tech! |
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| ![]() Time for some maths I suppose? Forgive any mistakes, this is quite off the cuff with quick google-fu. feel free to correct my efficiency or price calculations. City Petrol Price ~ 15,00,000 Efficiency ~ 15km/ltr Cost of Petrol - 110 Rs/ltr City Hybrid Price ~20,00,000 Efficiency ~ 23 km/ltr Per km running cost of Petrol City 110/15 = 7.33 Rs/km Per km running cost of Hybrid City 110/23 = 4.78 Rs/km Delta R - Running cost difference = 2.55 Rs/km Delta B -Buying cost difference = 5 lakh Rupees (A) Kilometres to drive in order to recoup initial extra expenditure = Delta B/Delta R = 5,00,000/2.55 = ~1,96,000 kilometres. If the price difference is only 3 lakhs (optimistic) the kms to break even would be 1,17,647 kms So basically buying the hybrid is not that much of a money saver. Tata Nexon Petrol - On road price - 9,85,000 Tata Nexon EV - On road price -15,32,000 Running cost of Nexon Petrol - 110/18 = 6.1 Running cost of Nexon EV - Electricity - Rs 5/kWh Nexon uses 119 Wh/Km = 0.12Kwh/km Nexon costs 0.6 Rupees to run per kilometre Running Delta = 6.1-0.6 = 5.5 Buying Delta = 5,47,000 Kilometres driven to recoup = 109,000km Electricity can be cheaper at Rs 3/kWh so Km to recoup might go down to 95,000km I guess this is the writing on the wall. Making hybrids costs extra money in terms of maybe retooling plants etc etc. and you get efficiency boost of around 7-8kmpl. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() I felt that it would have been a very good product, if it had the function of a plugin facility and a battery pack that can go around 100kms on pure electric mode. Here Honda is close to that, but people still have to fill it up with petrol. With the 'plugin' option, there can be a huge portion of the population, that can just use electricity from home to topup, while doing away with range anxiety for longer runs. |
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BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bangalore
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| ![]() This honda hybrid is an incredible piece of engineering, I found this following link for details of this Honda tech. |
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anyways the day there is a 10 lakh electric car, the market will flip is my prediction. most people buy car to commute and nothing beats electric for commutes | |
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The concept is simple, we waste a lot of fuel when engine output is not used fully, so they route the extra energy to the battery. Good on paper but practically not easy and efficient to implement. After adding all those batteries, motors and special drive, the end result is a tiny EV range and small savings on the fuel ( averaging urban and highway use) I will instead consider a pure EV or pure IC. Will be very surprised if this gets any decent numbers. Members comparing this with Camry and other Lexus hybrids, those cars are sold because of the package they present, I will not see a dip in their sales if they offer purely IC, rather, they may even get higher numbers (with reduced prices) on most Lexus variants without hybrids. Last edited by Turbanator : 4th May 2022 at 08:57. | |
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1. The Hybrid EV also has ADAS which adds further additional cost delta over the petrol. It's not fair that factor that in the running cost of the Hybrid as you are getting that extra safety net. It's like paying more for 6 airbags variant over 2. The extra cost of 6 airbags can be used to fill fuel for 2-3 years. 2. Hybrid system is more complex but is also more gentle on few components like brake pads and the IC engine itself since it is not on all the time. Ofcourse this is offset if you need a battery replacement after 8 years. 3. There are many people who don't mind the additional upfront 3-4L cost of the Hybrid if their monthly fuel bill reduces by 35-40%. 4. If fuel prices keep going up every fill up will be an even bigger pinch and Hybrid will just make you feel a little more at ease. 5. The satisfaction of sitting in absolutely useless traffic in cities like Bangalore and not burning fuel or even when in Hybrid mode seeing 20Kmpl is just priceless. I literally cringe sitting in my 3 series seeing the FE drop down to 6kmpl on fuel getting wasted in traffic vs blowing it up ripping on an empty highway. I also have a Corolla Altis and if I had a use case for a daily running fuel efficient car, I would seriously consider a City Hybrid over my Corolla Altis that gets me 8-9kmpl in traffic. For someone looking at City Hybrid they might be looking at the Korean SUV twins as well which in the top trims are 17-18L ex showroom or 3L over the regular City. Both have turbo petrol engines which give single digit FE in town. However their diesels atleast today make more sense than City Hybrid till the BS6.2 norms kick in. Honda just needs to seriously get the pricing right. Anything more than the Slavia 1.5L and they are going to have a tough time justifying the Hybrid over a 1.5L TSI and DSG box. The Hybrid with simpler NA engine and electric battery and motor ideally should cost same as a complex turbo petrol + even more complex DSG box. | |
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BHPian Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Kochi
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| ![]() Was looking forward to this Team-BHP review since a long time. I'm pretty convinced on this technology for the next 10 years. I believe pure electric is practical for all-round usage only by then. However do we have any Hybrid cars / muv on the cards for Indian market which is a 6/7 seater ? |
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As far as i have read, the Honda Sensing system in the City Hybrid only has a Front Camera for all the ADAS features and there is no radar module present. |
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