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On top of that, even if comparing ADAS-to-ADAS, they are not the same type. The City uses camera (visual) based ADAS which will (according to some Honda Sensing manuals I could find) be affected by heavy rains, snow, fog and low light. The XUV700 uses radar based ADAS which is much more robust. | ||
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And this isn't including interest paid/opportunity cost or even the increased OTR resulting from the increased ex-showroom prices! And as @Vid6639 pointed out, most of the ADAS features won't be too useful in the city (where the Hybrid will be most efficient) and this car won't be as good as the City iVTEC for longer road trips on the highways (lower boot space, less powerful engine, heavier weight of hybrid power-train resulting in similar efficiency) where ADAS would shine. Why not release it without ADAS but at a lower price point for city commuters? | |
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| ![]() There probably should have been subsidies for the Hybrid tech which Honda has got here. It would have reduced the price differential with the petrol, at least a bit. For someone with low running, that too with boot space comparable to a hatchback, and the higher initial cost, it is is just better to get the regular ZX CVT or actually a Slavia (which is much more fun to drive). |
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| ![]() This is similar to the Civic hybrid they launched and they failed with it. Anyone looking at this hybrid over a normal City would only do so because of the high mileage and fuel savings. But with this premium price that advantage is gone. The regular City ZX is already overpriced to begin with and this additional cost is not justified to me even with ADAS which is almost useless in day to day traffic in India. Don't forget this is not an EV and so the scrappage policy still applies. So in 15 years you have to run atleast a couple of lakh kms to recover that cost. You compromise on boot space, driving pleasure etc for fuel economy but the steep pricing will be a big hindrance for their success. If I'm not wrong this hybrid City is going to cost more than the Civic petrol VX if not ZX that was discontinued not so long ago. It will remain a niche product. |
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![]() I’m sure Honda Sensing will improve over time, but as it is now, I feel it can’t be compared to what the XUV700 offers. | |
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Taking the XUV700 as an example, it uses a combination of Camera+Radar for ACC which was launched by Intel's Mobileye way back in 2007. The newer gen mobil eye ADAS systems use camera-only ADAS and from the looks of it, they plan on ditching any radio based sensor completely. Check the attached roadmap. Tldr; Honda sense should be just as accurate (maybe even more) as XUV700. ![]() Last edited by Tanmay007 : 4th May 2022 at 15:01. | ||
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| ![]() No doubt Honda has come out with an engineering marvel in terms of the Hybrid e:HEV. However, there will be only limited takers for the already low volumes sedan segment buyers taking note of this. Alas, the ROI here is very subjective and can defy the practicality of what seems to be fantastic on paper but difficult to appreciate. |
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| ![]() I think these days every manufacturer is trying to outbeat the competitors last exorbitant price. Honda City was always expensive. The Slavia / Virtus price makes it look VFM now in the non-top models. The Verna may not really match the City, but it is also priced almost 2.5 lakhs lesser onroad than the equivalent city factoring all discounts for the NA model. Seltos and Creta were expensive, but Kushaq and Taigun prices made the Koreans palatable. For a little more kit, the City is priced 3.5 lakh ex-showroom more than the standard City in Malaysia. Dont really think, taxes alone are to blame for the India price. On the contrary, some manufactures have managed to play smart price wise - Magnite priced very brilliantly at launch with the right loadings. No cheapness. - Baleno at launch with airbags from base model and undercutting i20 brilliantly. - XUV700 with 80 % more features than cars costing twice as much. Honda had a great chance to establish this engine acceptance in India which would pave the way for all future 15-20 lakh products including the anticipated SUV. But they are they. |
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Is the ADAS equipment that expensive? I'm not sure if it actually costs the manufacturer that much! If so, it might be more of an additional sweetener to help buyers digest the price difference. |
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1. Camera 2. high performance computing to process the data and take decisions 3. brake actuation without pedal pressure (needs electronic control vs manual hydraulic) 4. steering control without driver inputs. Needs a system that will steer the car without driver inputs 5. all sorts of sensors to monitor the parameters 6. underlying software I might not have listed everything but all the above won't be in few thousands for sure and might easily bring down the cost closer to the Slavia i.e. under 22. | |
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| ![]() In a market where Nexon EV exists, the City Hybrid isn't a slam dunk. But a very large proportion of city folk live in flats where charging an EV isn't practical. And for them, a hybrid is the next best thing. If you have the wherewithal to buy a Creta-class vehicle (in terms of price), and if your daily commute is a chore, I suspect this car will make you happy in more ways than its 20+kmpl FE figures would suggest. You should test drive this car to see if the quietness and smoothness of a hybrid car will make your day better in ways that can justify the price tag. The boot volume bothers me a bit, but I'd say this is still usable for most 3-person families for whatever road trips they take (except to go to the airport). Large suitcases may not fit well, but soft luggage shouldn't be an issue. Adaptive cruise is definitely welcome; automatic high beams too. The rest of Honda Sensing suite aren't much of a draw. |
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