[himanshugoswami]

Originally Posted by Power Craver

Seems like Mahindra has also introduced a few more features to other variants. The Z8 S, Z8 and Z8L also get a wireless charger and gloss-black finish on the centre console while the midnight black is no longer exclusive to Z8S.

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Of these, the one I miss out on the most is ventilated seats. Rest are all just good to have!

[wooka]

Originally Posted by Mustang Sammy

About freaking time.
1. The wireless charging and wireless Apple CarPlay on the current version is a joke. Massively overheats the phone, and my service center (and M&M staff) had the gall to tell me it is an Apple issue

2. The IRVM is also terrible, requiring adjustment to get the field of view right every time you flip between day/night modes. Is it so hard to get something so basic right?

3. Ventilated seats: Will be a blessing for new owners

Point 1 - the wireless charger.
Let me add that wireless charging a phone with wireless android auto or car play will just cook the phone and the battery! It needs ventilation. I actually bought a Samsung double wireless charger to handle my watch and the phone. Why? It has a fan under it. It cools the charging coils that work via induction, and thus, get hot. By virtue of being cool, they keep the phone somewhat cool. All that goes out the window with 45C ambient and 55C road surface air temperatures.

I tried modding the phone pad to fit the charger, but alas, it's an extensive job, and I'll get to it in the winter this year. However, nothing will beat a larger fan cooling the phone and not just the charging coils.in fact, I have a dedicated 12V socket direct from the battery, a 3 USB out (2x PD C and 1x QC 3.0 A socket), with one outlet to the dashcam, one to the glove box (yes, using that ventilated glove box well), and one to the phone slot by the gear shifter. Therein I have the flexibility to mod it anytime. Pic attached.

It beats me how this wasn't a known fact from day one. It's like everyone other than Samsung selling WPC charging pads without fans and advertising them as 15W. They're barely 7.5W after 5 minutes of use. And if you're streaming the phone screen wireless over 5 Ghz, you're down to 4.5W at best. Let alone the fact that your phone is discharging all this while as well, at a rate comparable with the 4.5W charge rate.

To blame an iPhone, I shudder to think what would become of a Samsung (God forbid, an Exynos processor.)
MnM, do better than to blame the customer!


Point 2 - the IRVM.
It's been this way with MnM. Ever since I moved to a Maruti auto dimming IRVM on the Thar 2022, I'm happy. Zero vibrations. Zero day night adjustment. It just works!

Point 3 - ventilated seats.
Feels like I got a relative of the big daddy and not the real deal. �� I mean, leatherette. We sweat. It's 50C! Give me an upgrade package already! I'll pay. I'll pay 2x the parts to be able to drive in peace and not feel like I need to sell an MY2023 car for an MY2024! It makes 0 net sense to deprive us of something so functional.

[sand-dune96]

Originally Posted by wooka

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I tried modding the phone pad to fit the charger, but alas, it's an extensive job, and I'll get to it in the winter this year. However, nothing will beat a larger fan cooling the phone and not just the charging coils.in fact, I have a dedicated 12V socket direct from the battery, a 3 USB out (2x PD C and 1x QC 3.0 A socket), with one outlet to the dashcam, one to the glove box (yes, using that ventilated glove box well), and one to the phone slot by the gear shifter. Therein I have the flexibility to mod it anytime. Pic attached.

Hey!! Could you elaborate the above setup via diagrams and real locations and connections? Also, that soft material for the dashboard? Is it felt? Procured from amazon?

[wooka]

Yessir
Will do so tomorrow.
Felt it is.
Any odd retailer in sector 9 Noida has it.
And tons of other places.
I used synthetic rubber adhesive to make inroads and a ton of masking tape. I'll post pics tomorrow, surely.

[Highway_Nation]

We were considering the Scorpio N 4WD A/T and took an extended test drive to understand the car better. I was aware of many reviews where owners mentioned that the cruise control was not working in their Scorpio N. I initially thought those were isolated cases, but to my disbelief, the cruise control wasn't functioning in our test drive vehicle either. We tried multiple times, switching the car on and off, but nothing worked.
Mahindra will take another 1 or 2 years before we get a niggle-free Scorpio N.

[Mr.Fawlty]

Originally Posted by Highway_Nation

...I was aware of many reviews where owners mentioned that the cruise control was not working in their Scorpio N. I initially thought those were isolated cases, but to my disbelief, the cruise control wasn't functioning in our test drive vehicle either...

You may already be aware, but I'll point out, the SN requires certain preconditions to be fulfilled before cruise control can be activated/used. There's whole dedicated section in the user manual that goes over it. The city traffic conditions may not ideal to test the CC functions during a test drive. Open highways with sustainable speeds, is another story. CC hasn't so far glitched on me anytime I activated it in the favorable conditions, during the last 5-odd-thousand KMs of my z8 4xplor MT ownership journey. That's, at least, has been my experience.

Perhaps, the TD vehicle was from an earlier batch with cruise control faults.

[Rahkehs]

Originally Posted by Highway_Nation

We were considering the Scorpio N 4WD A/T and took an extended test drive to understand the car better. I was aware of many reviews where owners mentioned that the cruise control was not working in their Scorpio N. I initially thought those were isolated cases, but to my disbelief, the cruise control wasn't functioning in our test drive vehicle either. We tried multiple times, switching the car on and off, but nothing worked.
Mahindra will take another 1 or 2 years before we get a niggle-free Scorpio N.

I have the 1st batch Scorpio-N AT 4WD and baring the Steering Vibration and noise (which has been subsequently fixed by M&M), I didn't face any major issue. I have extensively used Cruise Control on DME, YEW, Agra-Lucknow Eway etc and never faced any issue. CC works better on AT I guess.

[Templeoflou]

Hi All, i need some inputs specially from the regular users of the 4X4 system. I own a Z8 4WD MT and recently i faced a situation where i need some expert advice.

Before i start, i would request you to kindly check the attached picture which will give more clarity to the matter at hand. So there is this hill with one very narrow hair pin bend and what makes it scary is the incline that starts right at the curve ( Zone -2 in pic) and while you are at this zone, what lies ahead is not visible to you until you reach the boundary of Zone 2 ( refer pic) but by the time you realise the muddy nature of the track in Zone 3, your car is already at an uncomfortable angle. Before i embarked on this route, i knew this so i was mentally prepared.

On the D-Day, i engaged 4WH (Mud Clay) Mode right at Zone 1 since i knew that engaging it in zone 2/3 where i would be struggling to see what's ahead ( Oncoming traffic, broken sidewalls etc) and maneuvering at an incline itself would be too much for me and any additional job like engaging 4WD mode wont be possible for me. Remember that the road is narrow and at an incline. So i engaged 4WH in zone 1 and crossed all the zones safely but what accompanied were a lot of clunks and noises specially during the turns ( Nothing hit the underbody).

My question is, were the noises due to drivetrain binding or is it normal ? If its not normal, then ideally i should have engaged it in Zone 2/3 border for which i would have to stop at an incline, something i was not willing to do. Also, if i engage it while driving, then by the time it takes to engage, i would already cross the area that defeats its purpose.

What would an expert 4X4 owner do in such a unique situation?

[prithvibollu]

Originally Posted by Rahkehs

I have the 1st batch Scorpio-N AT 4WD and baring the Steering Vibration and noise (which has been subsequently fixed by M&M), I didn't face any major issue. I have extensively used Cruise Control on DME, YEW, Agra-Lucknow Eway etc and never faced any issue. CC works better on AT I guess.

How did the ASC solve the steering vibration issue?
My car has done 23K Kms in the past 1 year. I noticed the vibrations within the first 10K kms itself and brought it to the ASC service manager's notice everytime I went to the ASC, but they brush it off saying its a normal issue.

[Rahkehs]

Originally Posted by prithvibollu

How did the ASC solve the steering vibration issue?
My car has done 23K Kms in the past 1 year. I noticed the vibrations within the first 10K kms itself and brought it to the ASC service manager's notice everytime I went to the ASC, but they brush it off saying its a normal issue.

The SC guys re-torqued the Intermediate Shaft, which reduced the vibration to a large extent but the steering started feeling hard/spring and made rubbing type of noise on full turn. After my complaints, the steering was re-torqued again and some “special” grease was applied
Now, the noise is gone and vibrations are lot less compared to the “loose” kind of feeing the steering and accelerator pedal gave earlier when going through rough patches.
However, I still feel there is some design flaw in the steering system of Scorpio-N which M&M have not been able to solve yet.

[Mustang Sammy]

Originally Posted by prithvibollu

How did the ASC solve the steering vibration issue?
My car has done 23K Kms in the past 1 year. I noticed the vibrations within the first 10K kms itself and brought it to the ASC service manager's notice everytime I went to the ASC, but they brush it off saying its a normal issue.

I kept escalating the issue for a year, ignoring the dealer pushback that this is normal, till they finally acknowledged the issue, then took some time to source the parts for the 4WD steering, and finally fixed it in May. Some other parts (unrelated to this issue) were also replaced due to recalls issued by M&M, and the ICE software was upgraded to reduce Apple CarPlay connectivity issues.
My service history is blank for that particular maintenance due to their IT systems being down at the time, so I couldn't tell you which specific parts were replaced. What I can confirm is that the steering judder is gone now.

[ankan.m.blr]

Originally Posted by Templeoflou

My question is, were the noises due to drivetrain binding or is it normal ? If its not normal, then ideally i should have engaged it in Zone 2/3 border for which i would have to stop at an incline, something i was not willing to do. Also, if i engage it while driving, then by the time it takes to engage, i would already cross the area that defeats its purpose.

What would an expert 4X4 owner do in such a unique situation?

I own a Z8 D 4xplore MT. I have faced similar sounds in mud/slush. It sounds like the MLD was engaged automatically (and it should, if the situation required it).

[Rahkehs]

Originally Posted by Mustang Sammy

I kept escalating the issue for a year, ignoring the dealer pushback that this is normal, till they finally acknowledged the issue, then took some time to source the parts for the 4WD steering, and finally fixed it in May. Some other parts (unrelated to this issue) were also replaced due to recalls issued by M&M, and the ICE software was upgraded to reduce Apple CarPlay connectivity issues.
My service history is blank for that particular maintenance due to their IT systems being down at the time, so I couldn't tell you which specific parts were replaced. What I can confirm is that the steering judder is gone now.

After, replacement of steering parts, is there zero feeling of the road undulations?
I am trying to understand whether I also need to escalate the matter to M&M, since I don't have any other benchmark to compare against. Some vibrations are felt on the steering when going through roads which are not smooth, is it normal?

[sand-dune96]

Originally Posted by Templeoflou

Hi All, i need some inputs specially from the regular users of the 4X4 system. I own a Z8 4WD MT and recently i faced a situation where i need some expert advice.

On the D-Day, i engaged 4WH (Mud Clay) Mode right at Zone 1 since i knew that engaging it in zone 2/3 where i would be struggling to see what's ahead ( Oncoming traffic, broken sidewalls etc) and maneuvering at an incline itself would be too much for me and any additional job like engaging 4WD mode wont be possible for me. Remember that the road is narrow and at an incline. So i engaged 4WH in zone 1 and crossed all the zones safely but what accompanied were a lot of clunks and noises specially during the turns ( Nothing hit the underbody).

My question is, were the noises due to drivetrain binding or is it normal ?

The MLD works automatically in the Scorpio N. How is it supposed to know when to engage and disengage? By taking feedback from the difference in rpm of the rear wheels. This tells the system that the wheels are slipping - lock the diff.

Now, on sharp hairpin turns there will be a difference between the outer and inner tyre rpm because the outer needs to be at a higher rpm to cover the larger radius in the same time. This is the very specific reason we have open diffs. In your case, since 4WD was engaged, it sends a feedback to the system to engage the diff lock. Thus, one of the reasons, part time 4WD are not to be engaged in sealed surfaces.

I am no expert on 4WD, but hope this helps. Cheers.

[Mustang Sammy]

Originally Posted by Rahkehs

After, replacement of steering parts, is there zero feeling of the road undulations?
I am trying to understand whether I also need to escalate the matter to M&M, since I don't have any other benchmark to compare against. Some vibrations are felt on the steering when going through roads which are not smooth, is it normal?

"Feeling" is subjective, but the steering column vibration/judder that I had seen only on the ScorpioN and no other vehicle I have ever driven is now gone.