[vredesbyrd]

Chasing a lot of thars though village roads with old school NFS music.
Captured at The Great Escape, Agra - June 2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psUlgyHqgJ8&t=141s

[sand-dune96]

Originally Posted by sbanerjee

Not sure if it is normal or not. Steering is not vibrating, brake pedal is not vibrating, only feeling of pulsation in the car on braking at 100+ speed. Is it alignment or drive shaft or normal behaviour. Can someone please advise? This is my first BOF 4wheel drive vehicle.

What I feel is that the pulsation feeling is always present, only at lower speeds it is not as evident. When decelerating from such speed the brake boost would kick in along with ESP and ABS. ABS will always be present. But the action of the ABS might be more prominent at such speeds. The pulsating motion might be due to the ABS gripping and leaving the brakes. That is what I could think of.

Cheers!

[manishk83]

Fastest Diesel AT SUV South of 25 Lakhs

I am on the lookout for an SUV (anything from Creta/Seltos, to Harrier/Safari to Scorpio/XUV700).

My one consideration always is: It should be FAST. I should not feel bored driving it even after 7 years. Surprisingly, my 7-year old Ford Aspire still fits the bil. It is always fun to drive. But, it’s time for an upgrade.

The best way to go about deciding always is: Drive for yourself! I did that - all the above mentioned cars. The reason I am posting this question here: Simply because the ScorpioN has such a tall commanding position, super light steering - it sort of clouds your judgement, I feel.

More experienced BHPians and those who have lived with their cars for sometime:

If I am in the market for a FAST and Fun to Drive Diesel SUV south of 25 Lakh, what will you recommend ? Scorpion, XUV700, Safari, Harrier, Creta or Seltos? Or something else, altogether!

I can live with various things: Slowing down on curves, less confidence inspiring 120 kmph, pedestrian interiors etc. But what I can’t skimp on is: Pushing the pedal and not getting the grunt - both when starting from still as also when accelerating from 80 kmph.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

I don’t want to hijack the ScorpioN thread but didn’t feel like starting a new thread altogether under ‘What Car’.

@GTO reviewed that ScorpioN is peppy but not FAST. But how does ScorpioN compare with the other Diesel SUVs? And given my needs, is there a better buy that I am not considering?

[vredesbyrd]

Originally Posted by manishk83

Fastest Diesel AT SUV South of 25 Lakhs

I can live with various things: Slowing down on curves, less confidence inspiring 120 kmph, pedestrian interiors etc. But what I can’t skimp on is: Pushing the pedal and not getting the grunt - both when starting from still as also when accelerating from 80 kmph.

XUV700 diesel would be faster due to the slightly better tune (185/450 vs 175/400) and lighter weight. It is the fastest in the lot that you mentioned.

If you are fixated on the Scorpio N and are open to petrol, then try the Scorpio N petrol. That thing is fast and sounds good above 3000 rpm. Get an aftermarket exhaust to spice things up.

Another thing, if you are open to the used market, then there are options that go even faster but that's a different ball game altogether.

[Cresterk]

Originally Posted by manishk83

Fastest Diesel AT SUV South of 25 Lakhs

@GTO reviewed that ScorpioN is peppy but not FAST. But how does ScorpioN compare with the other Diesel SUVs? And given my needs, is there a better buy that I am not considering?

Get the cheapest XUV 700 diesel variant with the 180hp tune and the automatic. ScorpioN is meant more for off-roadng but the 700 is for the roads and you wlll leave pretty much any other diesel at that price point in the dust. Just don't try to pick any battles with the turbo petrols.

[manishk83]

Originally Posted by vredesbyrd

If you are fixated on the Scorpio N and are open to petrol, then try the Scorpio N petrol. That thing is fast and sounds good above 3000 rpm. Get an aftermarket exhaust to spice things up.

Having taken multiple test drives now, I am tilting towards this decision. The height of ScorpioN has decided advantages and it feels like a proper SUV - the height is the likes of a Fortuner or a Prado.

The Turbo Petrol is a super fun engine.

I had first moved to a Diesel because the Torque is so addictive. But this ScorpioN turbo petrol gives both - the BHP as well as the Torque.

On the downside, with my driving style, I am guessing an average of 6-7 kmpl in the city and 9-10 on the highway. For a 10k kms annual driving, this will translate to an additional 50-55k INR running cost per year. On the positive, I can keep the petrol ScorpioN for 14-15 years in Delhi NCR and won’t have to scout for a new car after 9 years - not sure if there really will be an upgrade possible over a ScorpioN even after 10 years! And then, I will either have to buy another SUV this size, downgrade or get an EV.

Originally Posted by Cresterk

Get the cheapest XUV 700 diesel variant with the 180hp tune and the automatic. ScorpioN is meant more for off-roadng but the 700 is for the roads and you wlll leave pretty much any other diesel at that price point in the dust. Just don't try to pick any battles with the turbo petrols.

XUV700 is very refined and drives almost like a car - not a bad thing. Somewhere, I like the height that ScorpioN offers. As mentioned above and for the stated reasons, I am also now considering the ScorpioN turbo petrol. With a 10k annual driving, wondering if I will be able to live with an additional 50k running expenses. I floor the pedal more often than most people, will a 6-7 kmpl be a fair estimate of the mileage I will get on a ScorpioN petrol?

Lots to think about! Suggestions are very welcome.

[vredesbyrd]

Originally Posted by manishk83

I had first moved to a Diesel because the Torque is so addictive. But this ScorpioN turbo petrol gives both - the BHP as well as the Torque.

On the positive, I can keep the petrol ScorpioN for 14-15 years in Delhi NCR.

I suppose it is decided then. It will fit your needs. Plus the main advantage over XUV is that the Scorpio is RWD. You can get some fat slides when nobody is looking

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by manishk83

@GTO reviewed that ScorpioN is peppy but not FAST. But how does ScorpioN compare with the other Diesel SUVs? And given my needs, is there a better buy that I am not considering?

Short answer is 7OO AWD , but there is a bit more to this.

I can tell you from a busy driver's perspective - XUV is very sedan like to drive, AWD, IRS, DSC, ESC all kinds of tech is there not only for safety but also to help you drive fast with confidence, I have experienced minor corrections the electronics do as you corner or as you drive through torrential rain as well as full on aggressive interventions the ESC does if you take the wrong line, everything is spot on. Even the way it recovers from emergency maneuvers, driving fast over gravel roads , low traction surfaces, it's all dialed in well.

Add BOF to it and you get N - which is the most engaging BOF vehicle to drive, It's because Scorpio from the beginning is meant to be a driver's UV. As with many other things that are built with focus on certain priorities there will be compromises that comes with it. If you have enough driving on country roads that are not well maintained, this should be the top choice.

[Repsol]

Originally Posted by manishk83

I floor the pedal more often than most people, will a 6-7 kmpl be a fair estimate of the mileage I will get on a ScorpioN petrol?

Lots to think about! Suggestions are very welcome.

I drive a Scorpio-N P AT. In Bangalore traffic, I get around 7-8 kmpl (I am neither too sedate, nor too aggressive), and highway give 11-12 kmpl. Hope this helps.

[Mophius]

Originally Posted by vredesbyrd

Chasing a lot of thars though village roads with old school NFS music.
Captured at The Great Escape, Agra - June 2024

Which HUD (Heads up display) are you using? I am also looking out for a HUD for my SN, but am not a fan of a colourful display and looking for something that looks elegant/uncluttered with crisp lines and good features.

Any recommendations from fellow members?

[vredesbyrd]

Originally Posted by Mophius

Which HUD (Heads up display) are you using? I am also looking out for a HUD for my SN, looking for something that looks elegant/uncluttered with crisp lines and good features.

This is the one that I got from Amazon JP. Fairly priced compared to what is available on our local site. Clean interface and many modes. The only colorful part is is the rpm bar which goes blue around 2000 and red near redline.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[manishk83]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

Short answer is 7OO AWD , but there is a bit more to this.

I can tell you from a busy driver's perspective - XUV is very sedan like to drive, AWD, IRS, DSC, ESC all kinds of tech is there not only for safety but also to help you drive fast with confidence.

You are right. And indeed, XUV700 is an amazingly capable vehicle where you can safely hit 130 kmph and not even know it.

Driving a ScorpioN at 100 kmph feels like it’ll take all your might to control a rampaging guerilla. But there’s thrill in that!

Maybe I expressed myself badly. It’s not just pure speed that is necessary - it’s also the feeling of speed (if this makes sense). I could be driving at 150 but if I don’t feel ants on my pants - the 150 Kmph is lost on me.

I used to have a Crossover SUV in Dubai. Hit 138, put it on ‘cruise’ and you could drive like that for hours. Despite the amazing infrastructure, it was decidedly my most boring driving experiences.

Hence, Scorpio. The only question now remains- P vs D AT?

[bijims]

Originally Posted by manishk83

Hence, Scorpio. The only question now remains- P vs D AT?

I would recommend the Diesel AT owing to better mileage and slightly better torque. My cousin has one and he feels the Diesel is better for long cruising and heavy-duty use. The Petrol engine however is more sportier and fun to drive has 200 bhp of power too, and it is faster too. However, its fuel consumption is much higher.

Therefore to conclude If you prioritize fuel efficiency and long-distance driving, the Diesel AT might be the better choice. On the other hand, if you prefer a sportier driving experience and don’t mind the higher fuel consumption, the Petrol AT could be more suitable.

[sulliavi]

Originally Posted by manishk83

You are right. And indeed, XUV700 is an amazingly capable vehicle where you can safely hit 130 kmph and not even know it.

Driving a ScorpioN at 100 kmph feels like it’ll take all your might to control a rampaging guerilla. But there’s thrill in that!

Deviating from the topic just to highlight Govt's new stricter road safety norms. From next month starting August 1, drivers in Karnataka exceeding the speed of 130 km/hour will face FIRs for rash and dangerous driving.

I am sure many states would follow or already have them.

peace..

[Asoon]

Originally Posted by manishk83

Fastest Diesel AT SUV South of 25 Lakhs

Both XUV and Scorpio_N are great cars, I own N_AT_Diesel and my brother XUV700_AT_AWD_Diesel having driven both here are my pointers

- XUV is more car like, you feel more in control and is more agile, better in fast cornering
- XUV's feature list is long and you feel way more premium inside XUV

- Scorpio_N feels more quit (less noise) and more solidly built (S_Ns suspension is way superior)
- You will feel roll / lesses control in Scorpio_N due to BOF design
- Both are amazing mile munchers and reach 100-120 comfortably (XUV is better higher speeds 140+)
- Scorpio has a proper SUV feel and has way more road presence than XUV

It all depends on what you want for example I am a calm driver, was exploring preowned Fortuner / New Harrier for long highway rides and landed to Scorpio N and by Brother is a hot hatch / fast sedan guy, he was exploring Sylvia 1.5 GT / Seltos Turbo and ended on XUV