[MyGoRa]

Originally Posted by kushgandhi

The manual 4wd gets the stop start system, this has been in mahindras since 2012 starting from the first gen xuv500. The system is irritating for sure I haven't used it in my XUV since day 1 but its just a click away to turn the system off. I saw this in the TD vehicle with MT 4Xplore, Not there on the Automatics though.

Start-Stop system was called "Micro-Hybrid" in Mahindra's nomenclature. It was even present in my 2009 Scorpio and like you said we hadn't used from the first day itself.
Coming to Scorpio-N, It is present in all variants regardless of fuel/transmission.

[d2krish]

Originally Posted by anantpoddar

Where are all these test drive vehicles in Kolkata?!

I have been trying so hard to get a TD for D AT variant but none of the dealers have it. All they have is a P AT vehicle. Any leads on a Kolkata dealership having D AT variant would be helpful.

Btw, has anyone observed whether the 4Xplore variants get the steering modes and Idle start/stop features?

While I know that the 4WD variant does not get Drive modes, but not sure if there is any other way to adjust the steering stiffness.

Also, that Idle Start/Stop feature is one of the most irritating ones and I'm not sure if the 4WD variant skips out on it.

A couple of weeks ago I got a Scorpio N diesel automatic for test drive at NR Auto (beside Technopolis in Salt lake, sector 5). You may check there if not already done.
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[kushgandhi]

Originally Posted by MyGoRa

Start-Stop system was called "Micro-Hybrid" in Mahindra's nomenclature. It was even present in my 2009 Scorpio and like you said we hadn't used from the first day itself.
Coming to Scorpio-N, It is present in all variants regardless of fuel/transmission.

Originally Posted by SDK

I can confirm that even the 4WD Automatic has the start/stop feature. During my TD in July I observed this first hand.

Exactly but post scorpio I think they have now changed the branding from micro hybrid(which never made sense to me) to start stop.

But I think it was miscommunication on part of the dealer when i took the TD, as he said start stop is there only on the manual. I didn't test drive the auto as that was never a preference for me.

[shikh_oberoi]

I still can't believe Mahindra decided not to give any extra features in Z6 automatic over the manual variant.
Anyways my car's delivery is scheduled for the month of march as per the booking website, but my dealer said you would get your car by December 2022.

I have decided to get the following things done in my car.

1. 17" or 18" alloy wheels.
Have shortlisted Plati PY-2022 (Indian-made copy of Fuel Contra). I got an estimate of 55000 rupees for a set of four 18" alloys.

Lenso MX-Deva
I'd be grateful if someone knew the estimate of these alloys.

2. Seat covers
From Autocraft India. They did my 2017 Elantra's seat covers, and the quality is top-notch. ( i am not promoting them, and I have no affiliation with the business)

3. Audio Setup
I will ask the audio Gurus after getting the car.

[aditya_911]

Why no crash test has been done till now ? Are there any surprises expected with the result?

[saurabh041086]

Originally Posted by shikh_oberoi

I have decided to get the following things done in my car.

1. 17" or 18" alloy wheels.
Have shortlisted Plati PY-2022 (Indian-made copy of Fuel Contra). I got an estimate of 55000 rupees for a set of four 18" alloys.

Lenso MX-Deva
I'd be grateful if someone knew the estimate of these alloys.

By any chance you happen to check the load bearing capacity of each alloy?

Also, can anybody share if side footboards are part of standard car kit from factory for Z4 variant?

[Poitive]

Safety Equipment in Cars
(and some notes on the safety of the Scropio N)
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Not too long ago, the left rear view mirror would not be put in cars to save costs. It cost a couple of hundred bucks then (Maruti 800). It took the law to make it mandatory.

Similar mandates were needed for other safety issues - seatbelts, airbags, ABS, speed warnings etc. If "pay up" was the only factor, even such features would not have come up. Ideally and practically, it is the government which should mandate such safety related stuff.

Government mandating such takes out the competitive disadvantage of providing safety features for the manufacturer, at least for comparable vehicles.

To make it fair, vehicles could be in different segments based on various parameters - technical and cost - to balance between spending and need. After all, there are different taxes for vehicles based on length and engine capacity (the sub-4m class).

Can we play a role?
Mahindra and other car manufacturers for-profit businesses. They would not do things where they don't expect to make money (in the short or long run), and that is understandable for companies working in a highly competitive environment. It is up to us consumers to call them out when they talk much about safety and star ratings, while compromising on other important safety equipment. This in turn would push their interests towards providing more safety equipment even in base variants. However little, that is what we can do.

Safety Equipment Implications, etc.
The implications of choosing a car with or without safety equipment not only has a bearing on the user of the vehicle, but also on the others on the road - specifically for active safety based equipment. It being encouraged or made mandatory (based on segment/class of vehicle etc) is a good public-road safety measure.

Public-road safety measures include functional lights, avoiding high-beam, a fair-functional vehicle (brakes etc), and the like.

Roll-over mitigation and ESP is more important for higher vehicles than it is for lower ones. Maybe the government can have a criteria like height to track-width ratio being over a certain figure mandating roll-over mitigation and ESP. The likes of Scorpio N and Hector should certainly figure in that list.

Is Scorpio N safe? Prone to toppling? (Part 1)
(I meant to post this on the Choosing and SUV thread, but due to the current context posting here)

While driving a car, what is very important besides the car obeying our commands (dynamics) is also that it gives us the right feedback about it's interaction with it's surroundings and it's limits. Most focus on the first and tend to ignore the latter - I guess it even skips the attention of most.

Many rejoice the low bodyroll in the Scorpio-N. Yes, it is good on that front. If car designers want, they can eliminate bodyroll. It is very much doable by having a roll-centre at the height of the center of gravity of the vehicle. Why don't they do it? Besides other reasons (jacking effect leading to instability etc), bodyroll is also a feedback mechanism, which tells the driver of how close the vehicle is getting to it's limits, allowing the driver to adjust and drive accordingly.

Lower bodyroll also means lesser feedback for such situations. Sedans and hatches having a low centre of gravity are much lesser prone to rolling over, so it is lesser of a issue. For a high centre-of-gravity vehicle such as the Scropio N, the cost-benifit stacks up differently.

The issue of lack of required feedback further gets enhanced by the Scropio N having an EPS which is quite devoid of such communication - something which the HPS typically provide well. (HPS vs EPS: Link 1, Link 2)

To add insult to the injury, I read about people "upgrading" to much wider tyres, without considering the cons. This can be a double edged sword.

(Part 2) Wider tyres typically mean more traction. How can this be bad? Read on:

If one is moving a car in a circle and keeps increasing it's speed, what will happen? It will either lose traction (skid) or roll over and topple. Right? So, what tells the driver that he is approaching the limit? Bodyroll, steering feel, and understeer/oversteer. The first 2 are iffy in the Scorpio N. Your chance now is for the tyre to skid a little for you to know that you are crossing the limit. Tyres with higher traction delay that signalling (feedback) till you are closer to toppling over.

Further, bear in mind that the Scorpio N is a RWD so would be more prone to oversteer than understeer, which is more unnerving and more difficult to control. The petrol engine, especially, is immensely powerful too.

This is the reason I had suggested @RijuC earlier in the thread to be careful while trying out the Scorpio N in the hills, and also why I suggested those who do not need the abilities of the Scropio N to consider other options (including the XUV700) in my elaborate report on the Scropio N on the Choosing an SUV thread (link to said post here).

The above further emphasises the importance of roll-over-mitigation and ESP in a high CoG vehicle such as the Scropio N, and especially so with it's high Roll-Centre design (which reduces the bodyroll).

I say the above out of concern for fellow-mates. If/when you get your Scorpio-N SUVs, please do drive accordingly and not get carried away. This one has the ability to get emotions flowing. If you plan to upgrade tyres, do keep the above in mind.

[Disclaimer: Though the above is highly likely correct, I do not claim to be any specialist auto-engineer, and am sharing what I understand, how I understand it, and it forms a part of my assessment of vehicles, including for our own purchases.]

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Originally Posted by BleueNinja

1. They are charging 10,00,000+ Indian Rupees for the car and ESP is something that is a basic safety associated feature in this day and age. Many cars are infact providing ESP right from the base variant then why can’t Mahindra?

2. I mean in case of XUV700 you aren’t even getting it till AX7(p)/AX5(d) Rational thought process states that a car should cover the safety aspects firsts and then price can dictate what features or tech can be passed on across variants.

1. It is simply a matter of what competitive business forces push a company to do. That is where the government has a role to play.

2. That Mahindra made such a noise about 5 star safety and then chose such a safety equipment spread reflects poorly on Mahindra. Good for such standards to be highlighted. Thanks.

Originally Posted by RijuC

There must be a regulation for minimum safety features a car must have, irrespective of the variants.

Thanks for highlighting this, RijuC. There are standards for other aspects. With time, the standards are being upped too (as indicated in the earlier part of this post). I hope the standards are increased further, especially for vehicles which really need them, such as this one.

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

1. Nothing comes for free as far as I know. Have a look at the insanity of this vehicle's pricing.

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2. There will be no takers for a Z2 variant with safety pack, even those who rant about it won't buy it.

1. The vehicle's pricing has been made so based on how Mahindra expects to maximize profits. I would not use VFM for justification of lack of safety - that is a slippery slope.

Further, the prices mentioned in the screenshot are incorrect, mate. Not blaming you, as I too noticed an issue in the Carwale site. I checked as 12.92 lakhs on-Road Bangalore for a vehicle with an ex-showroom of 12 lakhs didn't pass the smell-test.

The Z2 Petrol MT on road Bangalore as per CarDekho is over 15 lakhs.



Further, if I was to make a fair comparison with Scorpio N base model with MT and few features, rather than to choose the N line of i20 (that too with DCT, the most equipped model, that too in a dual tone), I think the base model of the i20 might be more appropriate to judge value. Incidentally, the i20 base has more features than the Z2.



All the above said, I really do not deny the value of the Scropio N. It is a huge BoF SUV afterall, and comes with an engine with those figures! Shocking at that price for sure.

2. I agree that a large chunk might not buy it, and that is why the role of the government (especially keeping public safety in mind) becomes even more important.

Unrealistically, I do wish companies to take the lead. Just another wish.

Cheers!

[shikh_oberoi]

Originally Posted by saurabh041086

By any chance you happen to check the load bearing capacity of each alloy?

Also, can anybody share if side footboards are part of standard car kit from factory for Z4 variant?

I will surely ask for the same before getting the alloys installed. Although both of the alloys have been fitted in big cars, I don't think there should be any problem.

According to some youtube videos, z4 does have a side footboard.

[saurabh041086]

Originally Posted by RijuC

Accessories planning for lower variants:

1. I have a query for the headlamp bulb replacement for Z4 variant. As per spec sheet, the headlamp is MFR type (I guess with Halogen bulb) and not a projector type unit. Now, while searching the suitable accessories for Z4, I found that one LumiLED (Philips branded?) H7 headlight bulb listed in m2all portal.

Based on my experience i would recommend avoid experimenting LED bulbs in stock housing. I have already wasted money on two sets(with my current car). There is no guarantee that it will be better than the stock setup. Even if it does performance is a letdown in rains and misty climate. In my opinion ideal options are:
1) Installing projectors in stock headlights with HID. I have tried this. Best option but the retrofitters will always leave a bad taste with workmanship even if the setup is ideal. Costliest option though.
2) Install a projector fog lamp with HID(max 4.5Kelvin) in the blank space available in Z4,Z6,Z2 fog lamp location. I know this is not what Fog lamps are for theoretically but this setup works brilliantly to add extra lumens. This is the option that I will be going with for my Z4.

Originally Posted by shikh_oberoi

I will surely ask for the same before getting the alloys installed. Although both of the alloys have been fitted in big cars, I don't think there should be any problem.

According to some Youtube videos, z4 does have a side footboard.

Thanks for checking. I would trust the stamped load number than youtubers. Most of them may not even know that alloy has such thing They just go by the look.

[UD17]

Originally Posted by slylenser

Still can't see a Silver coloured one.

I could get one picture, please see below. Please let me know if this is useful.

[er_sb_blogs]

Originally Posted by UD17

I could get one picture, please see below. Please let me know if this is useful.

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Absence of the Grand Canyon Color from all the current data we have about Scorpio N, except couple of images in the official brochure), is making me nervous about my selection/choice.

I have been digging the internet since my booking, following up with showroom guys and asking queries on the official mahindra support number about some idea on how the Grand Canyon color looks on Scorpio-N but no success as of now.

I request my team-bhp member mates to please try to provide some information or visual depiction of my Scorpio N D Z8 4X4 in Grand Canyon color.

Thanks & Regards

[Cresterk]

Originally Posted by shikh_oberoi

I have decided to get the following things done in my car.

1. 17" or 18" alloy wheels.
Have shortlisted Plati PY-2022 (Indian-made copy of Fuel Contra). I got an estimate of 55000 rupees for a set of four 18" alloys.

Lenso MX-Deva
I'd be grateful if someone knew the estimate of these alloys.

2. Seat covers
From Autocraft India. They did my 2017 Elantra's seat covers, and the quality is top-notch. ( i am not promoting them, and I have no affiliation with the business)

3. Audio Setup
I will ask the audio Gurus after getting the car.

Would not recommend getting any kind of cheap alloys, especially not Indian made ones. They have no quality control and combined with a heavy vehicle and our pothole ridden roads, they are a disaster waiting to happen. There was a fortuner which overturned just because the owner cheaped out on alloys posted in the accidents thread. Wheels and tyres are one of the most important parts of the car along with the brakes and any of this failing can put yours as well as other road user's lives in danger. Please do not compromise on this aspect at all. Either get the nicer alloys of higher variants from Mahindra themselves or import good alloys from a reputed, high quality manufacturer. Performance, quality >>>>>> looks, cost

[UD17]

Originally Posted by er_sb_blogs

I request my team-bhp member mates to please try to provide some information or visual depiction of my Scorpio N D Z8 4X4 in Grand Canyon color.

I could not see any Grand Canyon or Royal gold color in the yards. White and black are in abundance, followed by Red rage and Silver. There were some green as well. I will try to get some info soon.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by Cresterk

Would not recommend getting any kind of cheap alloys, especially not Indian made ones. They have no quality control and combined with a heavy vehicle and our pothole ridden roads, they are a disaster waiting to happen.

The vehicle in itself is made in India - since 20 years, I wonder what you make of that.

Wheels India is an OEM partner for just about every major brand in India, then on the aftermarket side there is Neo Wheels, which is an OEM accessory partner for M&M as well, sold in India as well as abroad.

A vehicle like Scorpio may not have too may import options available - that is my experience, to ensure proper fitment you may need to rely on Indian brands.

[saurabh041086]

Originally Posted by UD17

I could get one picture, please see below. Please let me know if this is useful.

Attachment 2355106

The third from the right seems to be the silver color. Does accentuate the curves more than white.