[baarish84]

Originally Posted by for_cars1

In fact a hybrid will be efficient upto about 40kmph when its running in EV mode. At higher/highway cruising speeds, it will just be running like a regular petrol car and the efficiency will be lower than what it achieves at lower speeds.

Strong Hybrid Hyryder drives on EV mode upto speed of ~90 kmph to 100 kmph .

I have been driving Toyota Hyryder strong hybrid V variant since last one month, and have completed 1200 km .

During this period i have completed the Mumbai Pune Mumbai trip twice. I drove with Cruise control - speed locked at 90 most of the time . Battery used to get charged till four bars (out of five) . Then for next few minutes car would drive only in EV mode at 90kmph . Then engine would comeon to recharge the battery.

During Mumbai City drive in morning hours - with flowing traffic with average speed of 50 to 60 kmph on eastern express way , battery would charge for two bars, drive the car for few moments and then go back to recharge mode.

So statement that EV mode is restricted up to 40 kmph is simply not true.

[shikh_oberoi]

Attaching on road price in Delhi. Document 96.pdf

[coolmel]

Originally Posted by koolkunz

It's not a competition brother, a fact is a fact, rest is upto you if you personally consider 5L as not a difference.

It may be but its not a difference to me and for many like me. I won't be surprised to know the price touching 40L in few months time.

[The Rationalist]

The top end Hycross costs ₹37 lakhs in Kerala, if someone is taking half of that as loan his outgo will be ₹42 lakh. To afford the top end one must be earning more than ₹4 lakh a month.

[ashis89]

Originally Posted by The Rationalist

The top end Hycross costs ₹37 lakhs in Kerala, if someone is taking half of that as loan his outgo will be ₹42 lakh. To afford the top end one must be earning more than ₹4 lakh a month.

I have relatives earning better than a crore and yet driving a humble City or an old XUV500. And some others who earn a third of a crore but still got X1 or a Civic. Priorities differ from person/family to person/family.

[Senotrius]

Originally Posted by The Rationalist

The top end Hycross costs ₹37 lakhs in Kerala, if someone is taking half of that as loan his outgo will be ₹42 lakh. To afford the top end one must be earning more than ₹4 lakh a month.

I second the opinion regarding pricing not being fantastic. This is Toyota tax. And we still don't have a viable alternative.

[Heisenberg_ad]

Originally Posted by Senotrius

And we still don't have a viable alternative.

Innova Crysta, XUV700, Carnival, Hector, Safari? Hello? All are very viable alternatives.

[giri1.8]

Originally Posted by The Rationalist

The top end Hycross costs ₹37 lakhs in Kerala, if someone is taking half of that as loan his outgo will be ₹42 lakh. To afford the top end one must be earning more than ₹4 lakh a month.

Few Toyota owners I have met are the most financially wise people, for them 40L is just few months worth of income, they keep their cars for long and maintain them well. Reliability is an extremely important factor for them as they value time more than few lakhs being saved during purchase, they get their money back during resale anyway. Finally Toyota badge has respect but at the same time not flashy like the luxury badges. No one will look twice at a 60L Fortuner GR sport, but a 50L Audi A4 can grab lot of unwanted attention.

Let's not include EMI interest to make the pricing look bad, this applies for every other car in the market.

[Hayek]

Quite fabulous pricing. Hope it is decent to drive as well.

Agree fully that the absence of a bench seat ZX is a real miss. I hired a self drive automatic Innova recently - we were 5 adults with plenty of luggage. Struggled to find a car that worked - and the one that we got had some kind of booster seat placed between the two captain seats. For lots of people, an 8 seater is a waste. But a large 5 seater, with a large boot and plenty of luggage room is very valuable. My Tiguan Allspace meets that need - the Innova with 8 seats would have been great one segment below.

[CEF_Beasts]

Originally Posted by Heisenberg_ad

IMO, Financially it doesn't make sense. Now taking into consideration reliability. This is a monocoque construction unlike the crysta BOF, we dont know how reliable the product would be. So is Toyota milking us for reliability image?

How does this make sense?
Am i missing out something? Or are we blinded by Toyota reliability that we'd pay any price they ask for?
Wouldnt it make sense to buy 18-20L car which is slightly less reliable and save 6L for repairs and fuel?
Example, xuv700 and hector plus.

I would love to be corrected on my perspective, Thanks.

IMHO, this should be the ideal comparison.



Crysta GX is absolutely barebones, comparing it with VX Hybrid HyCross doesn't feel right. Ideal comparison should be with Crysta VX 8 seater, and add 1-1.5L to it's price for the AT box that Toyota doesn't offer on the VX Crysta and you'll see that the Crysta is more expensive than the Hybrid HyCross. And replace the XUV700 AX5 D AT with the AX7 D AT.

[DicKy]

Pricing seems reasonable since everyone was expecting the top variant to cross 40 lakh mark (it will within 18 months) and the entry price to be 20 lakh+. It matched my expectation that it will be priced same as the Innova petrol, but am disappointed with the hybrid pricing. First of all looking at the Hyrdyer S hybrid and the Indonesian market gettting hybrid across the board, I was expecting hybrid option right from the G variant. Second, manufacturers should try to match diesel vehicle pricing with hybrids. IMHO hybrids should be an alternative for diesel, not a more premium option.

Originally Posted by SR-71

On the contrary, Autocar has a story on the facelift Crysta scheduled for a tentative Feb 2023 launch with 2.4L Turbo Diesel. The love for oil burners is not going to die any time soon. Yes, the diesel craze from the last decade has significantly gone down, but IMHO there will always be a market for the oil burner as long as fossil fuels are in use.

Just praying the Australian hand and the RDE norms force Toyota to bring the 6 speed manual transmission back.

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

Reliability from a start up and run in the morning perspective - yes but durability will take a hit...Durability is a problem and replacement parts will burn a hole through your wallet. Etios is very much Indianized and is pretty durable as far as the mechanical bits are concerned however the rest of the bits aren't the same you expect of a Toyota...the typical FWD replacement items (interval and price), the ground clearance issues (no frame to tuck things behind) etc are always going to play a role in deciding if the vehicle will suit commercial use.

True. In addition to that, a monocoque FWD Toyota is anyday reliable than even other BoF vehicles, but the only thing more reliable and durable would be another BoF Toyota.

Originally Posted by padmrajravi

Even in the case of SUV/MUV the highlander hybrid regularly features at the top of most reliable and long-lasting car reports.

The same reports/lists would have atleast 7,8 out of ten vehicles being BoF SUVs or pickups.

Originally Posted by DCEite

Can someone explain this to me: Toyota Innova Hycross G base variant will only be limited to the commercial market.

They should have launched a barebones hybrid version for the commercial market. Guess they would do it down the line, with either increased scale bringing down the hybrid costs or them pushing the present variants higher up the price points.

Originally Posted by tiagoatrix

Innova hycross has the unique distinction of being the only car in the world costing 30 L INR, to have just 2 airbags....The vehicle is close to 5m in length, it must have side curtain airbags from the base variant.

Reminds me of the 2012-13 Camry which had only 2 airbags and no ESP.

Originally Posted by ashis89

I have relatives earning better than a crore and yet driving a humble City or an old XUV500. And some others who earn a third of a crore but still got X1 or a Civic. Priorities differ from person/family to person/family.

True. Not everyone has money lying around to buy with full cash nor is it practical to wait for a decade or more so that one will be financially eligible (below 10% rule) to buy a new car. As long as you are not trying to impress others, can pay the EMI, keep the car for 5+ years, there is no issues.

[Heisenberg_ad]

Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

IMHO, this should be the ideal comparison.

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And replace the XUV700 AX5 D AT with the AX7 D AT.

Why? If you replace Xuv700 AX5 with AX7, shouldn't you replace hycross VX with hycross ZX? My point still remains the same since AX5 offers everything and maybe more than hycross VX offers.

[extreme_torque]

Originally Posted by baarish84

Strong Hybrid Hyryder drives on EV mode upto speed of ~90 kmph to 100 kmph .

Thats not true. A Toyota Hybrid cannot drive over 42miles per hour or 67 kmph on electric power alone due to the design of the powertrain (in a nut shell the MG1 is software restricted to run at a peak 6500 rpm which it reaches when the MG2 is at 67 kmph). If you are doing more than 67kmph lets say while coming downhill, the engine would turn on but wont spark i.e no petrol.

What you are describing is EV motor assist at higher speeds because there is some of it even at higher speeds. If you look at the graphical animation you would see that both the motor and the engine are providing power to the wheels.

[vegitakarthik]

Originally Posted by PrideRed

The diesel makes sense for now, however with BS6 stage 2, diesel cars are expected to get more expensive and more complex. Smaller diesels have already vanished and few bigger diesels may also cease to exist as norms get stricter. There is more than just reliability that makes Innova expensive(tech, brand image built over years, better resale etc.), so it boils down to individual preferences.

Correct me If am wrong. Aren't bigger diesels with adblue tech are already complaint with BS6 phase 2 real world emission norms. Its only the smaller diesels with LNT method fails BS6 phase 2?

Coming to the pricing, Its not phenomenal pricing. For that price I would have preferred multilink suspension instead of Ottoman seats.

[mpthy]

The pricing is very good. I had placed a booking for a ZX(O) on the opening day for bookings, and I am sticking with it. I have cancelled my booking for the top end XUV700.

This car will replace my 2006 Innova, which is still running strong with 223xxx Km on the odometer. It will now move to my native place and will run there until the government regulations force me to scrap it.