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Old 26th July 2024, 12:04   #2581
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Hello All,

So our car hunt is about to come to a conclusion and we are zeroing in on Seltos GTX+ (DCT Petrol). Thinking of checking with the dealer at the time of booking for Seltos X line (Aurora Black) if we get any better deals on that. As we liked the interior of X line better than all black for GTX+.

I was wondering if anyone in the forum have or has seen a Black X line anywhere, I was struggling find an authentic picture of the car. So far I could only see it on KIA website which doesn't give a real view.

On another front I wanted to check if going for My Convenience Pack be worth?
Especially considering the fact that I would be juggling between Bangalore and Pune and not sure where would I get my car serviced. The dealer in Pune is offering me an Extended warranty free and some cash discounts, as of now no dealers in Pune are offering MCP as a part of overall package.
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This update is for all variants of Seltos.
checked with the Gurgaon service center and Kia customer care, both are saying no updates for ECM are due/available?
Could you share the dealership name where you got it done and your variant.
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I was wondering if anyone in the forum have or has seen a Black X line anywhere, I was struggling find an authentic picture of the car. So far I could only see it on KIA website which doesn't give a real view.
This review has pictures of the black X-Line on the first page.
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checked with the Gurgaon service center and Kia customer care, both are saying no updates for ECM are due/available?
Could you share the dealership name where you got it done and your variant.
Did the Gurgaon SC say that they have no updates for all variants or any specific one? There are many on this forum who have got the ECM updates done on their cars.

I got it done from Lohia motors in Sec 63 Noida (although I bought my car from ASB Motors, Sahibabad) and I own GTX+ Petrol.

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This review has pictures of the black X-Line on the first page.
I think he means X-Line in the new Aurora Black colour which Kia launched recently. As you may be aware, X-Line was earlier available only in matt finish.

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Hi all. I've a question about the ADAS feature 'forward collision avoidance'. Those who keep that ALWAYS ON, are you finding it to be risky during weaving in the traffic, even at speeds around 30 kmph? While overtaking (specifically during weaving manoeuvres) I'm hearing the warnings and fear that the vehicle might stop abruptly with auto braking. Is there any better way to avoid the risk of sudden braking?
Theoretically, you can avoid the risk totally by driving very sedately. For Mumbai (or city) traffic, it is not worth the risk. I kept it on for a few months thinking that I will drive like an expat and so have a safety net in case of a stray dog or something. However, the system does not consider that the driver can apply the brake harder if the driver deems it necessary and it anticipates a collision.

It also goes ahead and fully halts the car abruptly. If you're doing say 60kmph and there are a couple of cars behind you, chances are they won't be leaving as much space as the system thinks they should. If you brake and are progressively going to brake harder, the driver behind you anticipates the same and is able to match your manual breaking. However if the front collision system takes over, the anticipation time is cut short to NIL, the car halts, the drivers behind you might react in time if you're lucky. After my latest close call, I gave up on the system and deactivated.

If the system is on and there is a collision from behind, I don't think I can reason my way around it as the driver behind will just say he braked too much. The dashboard has a permanent light now which shows that the front collision system is not active so TC. I would rather have that.

Please bear in mind, the above scenario is one of the many possible. The system has also been very helpful at times, but for me the risk of one scenario simply outweighs everything else. I also think the scenario is unique to our kind driving reality here and I am not sure whether the system could have been adapted better to suit our unique conditions.
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What you described is absolutely true and the reason why even I have disabled FCA. I had the scare on the same day that I purchased the car. I immediately disabled it.

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I am not sure whether the system could have been adapted better to suit our unique conditions.
One solution can be that the if FCA is enabled, the front sensor and the rear sensor work in tandem. If the rear sensor detects any vehicle in the rear, the the FCA should accordingly apply brakes progressive. Of course this is assuming there is space to do so in the front. Also the speed of the vehicle in the front, the speed of our own vehicle also needs to be taken into consideration.

There are to many variables to consider, but something on this line can be thought of.
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So I guess the error history can be cleared.
Yes after a few clean trips the current dtc will be moved to history and it can be erased. Otherwise the telltale will be light up. There are certain types of DTC which cannot be cleared using the ODB tool.
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One solution can be that the if FCA is enabled, the front sensor and the rear sensor work in tandem. If the rear sensor detects any vehicle in the rear, the the FCA should accordingly apply brakes progressive. Of course this is assuming there is space to do so in the front. Also the speed of the vehicle in the front, the speed of our own vehicle also needs to be taken into consideration.
That would have worked ... maybe, or we could be having arguments with our own car over who is right. You might also be entering autonomous driving territory how's that for a possibility here ?
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However if the front collision system takes over, the anticipation time is cut short to NIL, the car halts, the drivers behind you might react in time if you're lucky. After my latest close call, I gave up on the system and deactivated.
Same here, When Front collision is activated in city traffic, it once suddenly applied brake when crossing a signal, And it was very scary as most people behind you would be in rush to cross signal, luckily no one hit. So deactivated Front Collision.
And in the settings, you can change it to late warning, but cannot change the sensitivity of the Front collision brakes as indicated by few people above. I again and again checked this settings, its only Late warning, not late braking.
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Hi all. I've a question about the ADAS feature 'forward collision avoidance'. Those who keep that ALWAYS ON, are you finding it to be risky during weaving in the traffic, even at speeds around 30 kmph? While overtaking (specifically during weaving manoeuvres) I'm hearing the warnings and fear that the vehicle might stop abruptly with auto braking. Is there any better way to avoid the risk of sudden braking?
I have been driving my Seltos X-line diesel 6AT for almost a year now with FCA always on. After I got used to it, I haven't had any trouble with it.

Sure, I had to change the way I used to drive but the change was for good. Initially I found my self being forced to drive in such a way so as to not trigger any warnings and beeps but now after almost year it has become a habit.

I naturally drive much more safely now and keep proper distance from the vehicle ahead of my car. With the way I drive now it's been a long time since I got a collision warning.

Adas for me personally has been a boon as it changed my driving etiquettes for the better and I can never go back to driving a car without ADAS ever since it has saved me a couple of times when I wasn't paying enough attention on the road in my initial days. It gives me a sense of safety and security while driving.
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Hi all. I've a question about the ADAS feature 'forward collision avoidance'. Those who keep that ALWAYS ON, are you finding it to be risky during weaving in the traffic, even at speeds around 30 kmph? While overtaking (specifically during weaving manoeuvres) I'm hearing the warnings and fear that the vehicle might stop abruptly with auto braking. Is there any better way to avoid the risk of sudden braking?
I have been driving with all features of ADAS on for nearly an year now. Never had a problem with that ever of sudden breaking except once when a two wheeler suddenly zoomed out of a house while reversing the car. Thanks to ADAS, although the scooter was still some distance away.

ADAS is a safety feature every car must have. So go ahead without any worries.
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Further to the initial (pre 1st servicing) review of my White Tiger GTX D AT https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offic...ml#post5737516 (2023 Kia Seltos Facelift Review), sharing my experience & observations (in addition to previous review) post completing 6000 kms.

Positives
Speed limit control – Long press the cruise button (top right side of steering) & speed gets limited to what you define (Use up / down to increase / decrease limit). A savior in scenarios where you want to avoid tickets for speeding & also when you don’t want to opt for SCC.
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TPMS accuracy – Saved me from trouble once as the left rear tire had a nail pierced in it. The MID showed a notification when the pressure went below 30 PSI (29). The notification vanished once I started driving (post fixing the puncture). This feature is definitely a time, effort, money & tire saver.

Voice command accuracy – This feature is quite good & has been near flawless for operating car functions & also for the most used requirement of voice dialing mobile calls (Some commands have been added post latest OTA update).
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Thickness of A pillar - Seems to be more than the earlier version. While I’ve not measured the thickness it does look reassuring from a safety perspective.

Rear middle seat head rest – Good attention to smaller but functional points like this one. Rear seat middle passenger from family was thankful of this feature as it compensates an otherwise compromised seating position

Stability at high speeds – Top notch with minimal body roll (maybe that's the reason for stiffer ride / suspension).

General observations
Post 1st service - I expected improvement in overall drive & FE as I assumed oil change, etc. but this service officially included only inspection of select recommended parts & washing.
So effectively nothing much changed post the 1st service from a driving experience perspective.
One concern which I’d raised during servicing was rust on silencer (highlighted in my OG review post) – After some debating with the service centre on poor quality metal used or absence of rust preventive coating (refer to pic), they agreed to get it coated with an anti-rust chemical (missed clicking a pic of the spray used).
Felt at ease after the coating was done as in a city like Mumbai where rust is common occurrence (due to coastal nature / moisture in the air / rains), this prevention was essential.
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Fuel efficiency – MID is showing till date average of 14 kmpl (A mix of 65% city & 35% highway).
This will have to be docked by 1 kmpl as mileage calculated during multiple “full tank to full tank” scenarios was lesser than the one showed on MID. So the effective FE is 13 kmpl (This is less due to my style of driving - There have been isolated trips when sedate driving has resulted in achieving better FE – pics attached).
Some tips which helped me improve FE during select trips in ECO mode
• Avoid sudden acceleration
• Avoid braking (use anticipation & engine braking)
• Accelerate & deaccelerate instead of continuously having your foot on the accelerator
• Use ISG to save fuel during idle time
• Have an eye on the live FE band in the MID. This will intuitively hint you to drive efficiently

One of the better FE (23 kmpl) registered for 48 kms
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Insane FE (~59 kmpl) for ~12 kms
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Scope of improvement
Inbuilt navigation features – I find google maps more reliable in terms of traffic updates hence tend to use android auto most of the time.
Speed limit & speed camera warnings are unavailable in both google maps & inbuilt navigation – It’s high time that either of them offers this feature as done by 3rd party apps like Radarbot (Edit - Speed camera alert introduced in in-built nav updated through OTA yesterday. It's not as reliable as Radarbot as it missed highlighting few cameras).
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Ride comfort, pick up & drive – Ride comfort is average-good (depending on drive mode) vs my 2016 creta despite reducing tire pressure to 31-33.
Seat cushion is harder & the rear length seems to be a bit shorter vs creta resulting in compromising on under thigh support.
Although the power difference is ~10 bhp (more in creta D manual), I do tend to miss it as creta had a good low range. Not sure if other’s have experienced this but the initial throttle response (idle to initial motion) has a rubber band effect especially in ECO & normal mode, something like what we experience in CVTs (Hopefully this should get better post an ECM update as posted by some users). However, in-gear acceleration / mid-range is good-excellent. (Edit - Update received yesterday has made "ECO mode" the preferred drive mode as it offers a nice balance of lighter steering, acceleration & FE). BTW update took about 5-6 days to download & it was done in two parts (Part 1 ending with 240701 & part 2 ending with 240702)
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Auto wipers programming – Having auto wipers in a city like Mumbai which has heavy rains is always helpful. Not sure if the tuning (programming) or hardware (sensor) is average as sometimes it continues to run when there's very light or no rain & at times when the rain is moderate / heavy, it takes time to swipe (Note – I have used all the 5 positions of auto wiper sensitivity)
This programming was close to perfect in my i20 (a 2011 model) which is quite surprising as ideally it should have gotten better over time.

Calibration of guide lines on reverse camera – Lines are improperly calibrated / programmed. Eg. During scenarios of narrow margin reversing, when I am using image from ORVM it shows a narrow gap available while the camera guide line indicates the car will touch the adjacent object. Maybe the guide lines are more precautionary in nature by adding a buffer distance but my old i20 & creta were exactly similar (camera vs ORVM image) to almost single digit millimeters.

Non heated ORVM – As the mirror is not heated it tends to attract rain droplets & results in reduced rear view visibility during moderate to heavy rains (My 2011 i20 had this feature)

360-degree camera – The stitching of images is poor as I’ve seen the implementation in other low end cars to be much better (eg MS Baleno). I wonder if this is a hardware (improperly installed / designed cameras) or software / programming issue (bad configuration of stitching images collected from cameras). Latest OTA update hasn't fixed it.

Coffee break warning – This annoying notification gets activated if you switch lanes frequently. Quite lame as there are quite a few number of drivers who change lanes frequently to move swiftly through traffic – This results in almost 100% false alarms.

Minor mods
Wireless Android Auto
With ~5k expense on Carlinkitcarplay adaptor (bought directly from this link www.carlinkitcarplay.com - I’m not associated with them), I was able to enjoy wireless functionality which is a boon as it’s super convenient. It has butter smooth animations and transitions with options for split, focus & full-screen options.
In my ~4 months of usage, it would have got disconnected about 4-5 times which is fine considering what I’ve heard on setups without using a wireless adaptor. Mobile battery consumption is ~10-20% for every hour of connectivity which a bit on the higher side.
Folks who are deciding to opt for the newly introduced GTX variant only due to absence of wireless android in GTX+ can consider this adaptor solution as it doesn’t make sense (atleast IMO) to let go off
360 degrees camera & 10.25-inch screen (which is one of the key USP of this car) – The MID screen is an experience in itself (gives a Merc / BMW feeling). Have received very good feedback on quality of implementation by KIA on the dash / MID from almost all family, friends & colleagues.
Note the android auto in full screen (gmaps), split 2 & 3 screens in attached pics
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DashCam – Installed Qubo dash cam pro X. Bought from amazon during a sale at ~3k. Installed it myself by routing the wire through roof cover, A pillar & glove box. Initial impression seems good for the amount of money spent.
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3D Turbo sticker - Installed a red sticker of turbo. It adds some sportiness / character to the rear of the car – I plan to add a team bhp sticker as well.
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Suggestions / Solutions needed
Auto headlights – While the auto function is close to perfect (lights switch on as expected during all low light scenarios), the light intensity could have been much better. Some simple solutions requested from BHPians which do not require mods leading to a void of warranty.

How can the following be implemented without doing any major mods
1. Puddle lamp
2. Color brake calipers to red / yellow
3. Close / Retract ORVM during >15 kmph speeds
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Voice command accuracy – This feature is quite good & has been near flawless for operating car functions & also for the most used requirement of voice dialing mobile calls (Some commands have been added post latest OTA update).
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It is accurate since it uses houndify which is conversational AI (which is why the hinglish support). Some data is sent to the server (in the cloud) . Post the 3 year connected car package we will be expected to purchase the service (hoping it would be part of the overall package).

There have been instances where poor data connectivity from the TCU ( Telematics control unit) has issues with houndify commands. Also it did not work for me even upon reaching a good signal area. Typically all car companies run a pan India test to check the coverage and test the TCU, not sure if this has been done properly by kia.
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Thank you for the detailed review. I too have driven around 6K and my observations are more or less in line with yours.

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BHPians Not sure if other’s have experienced this but the initial throttle response (idle to initial motion) has a rubber band effect especially in ECO & normal mode, something like what we experience in CVTs (Hopefully this should get better post an ECM update as posted by some users). However, in-gear acceleration / mid-range is good-excellent. (Edit - Update received yesterday has made "ECO mode" the preferred drive mode as it offers a nice balance of lighter steering, acceleration & FE). BTW update took about 5-6 days to download & it was done in two parts (Part 1 ending with 240701 & part 2 ending with 240702)
The ECM update has indeed made the ECO mode come alive and that is now my preferred drive mode as well. The steering feels a bit light even in the Normal & Sports mode. I had written about this in one of my previous posts.

But I think you are confused between the ECM update (which needs to be done at the service center only and is one continuous update through their tab) and the recent OTA update which happened in 2 parts on different days.

However, do check if the version of Infotainment & Navigation is showing the latest one in your car ICE settings (ref to the Kia website for the latest version). After the OTA update, it continues to show the old version in my car. I am planning to now update it by downloading it from the website onto a USB drive.

Cheers.

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Thank you for the detailed review. I too have driven around 6K and my observations are more or less in line with yours.



The ECM update has indeed made the ECO mode come alive and that is now my preferred drive mode as well. The steering feels a bit light even in the Normal & Sports mode. I had written about this in one of my previous posts.

But I think you are confused between the ECM update (which needs to be done at the service center only and is one continuous update through their tab) and the recent OTA update which happened in 2 parts on different days.

However, do check if the version of Infotainment & Navigation is showing the latest one in your car ICE settings (ref to the Kia website for the latest version). After the OTA update, it continues to show the old version in my car. I am planning to now update it by downloading it from the website onto a USB drive.

Cheers.
If the ECM did not get updated, I wonder how is there an evident change in the way the car is behaving in ECO mode. The FE also seems to have got bumped up by 1-1.5 kmpl.

Is there a way to figure the current firmware of ECM?

If I remember correctly, the firmware version in MID was showing the latest one shown on KIA website. I'll reconfirm on this point.

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