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Old 10th October 2024, 20:13   #2926
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Yesterday, I've got the ECU update done and the complete process was done in about 30 mins. While returning home, I had a weird experience concerning the forward collision avoidance function of the ADAS. I was driving at around 20 kmph
Has anyone faced such an unexpected behavior of ADAS after the ECU update?
This is not because of the ECU update. This probably happened because the front of the. Car would have dipped in the pot hole and the Radar system would have senses that as an obstacle and applied emergency brakes to prevent a collision. I have also seen that when going down on ramp which merges with a road at a sharp angle it also detects that as an obstacle warning and the radar gives a warning if go too fast.
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Old 10th October 2024, 20:34   #2927
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I had faced twice braking by ADAS on an empty road at speeds around 50 to 60 kmph, but the braking was minor and not full fledged and luckily there was no traffic behind but still that minor braking effect at 60 kmph where there is no traffic ahead was very scary. The two incidents had happened at random before ECU update, so I conclude that ADAS finally being just another technology can definitely
fault at times as it is sensor based and the results may be erroneous 0.001% of times.

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Thanks! The breakup is as follows -

Ex-showroom - 18,99,900
TCS - 18999
Toad tax - 2662
Insurance - 6900 (Paid only for RTI and Engine cover)
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Temp registration - 3000
Accessories - 6000 (Rear Chrome, car cover and bumper+door guards)
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I plan to get a BH number from Delhi as I don't have a long term plan to stay in KA. That adds around 30k. Not mentioning because that varies across states.

Hey! I wanted to ask, does the 15 year rule for petrols and 10 year for diesels apply for BH No. Vehicles purchased from Delhi? Confused between the turbo petrol and diesel automatic as with BH they will cost the same OTR. Although my running isn't much, I drive spiritedly, so worried about the city and highway mileage of the turbo petrol.

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This is not because of the ECU update. This probably happened because the front of the. Car would have dipped in the pot hole and the Radar system would have senses that as an obstacle and applied emergency brakes to prevent a collision. I have also seen that when going down on ramp which merges with a road at a sharp angle it also detects that as an obstacle warning and the radar gives a warning if go too fast.
Seems logically correct, but what I'm not sure is if the front tires were already in the pot hole or not when it applied brakes. But the question is - is the ADAS system equipped to detect non-moving obstacles? I remember reading something like walls, small animals etc. wouldn't be detected by the system. Any chance that the latest update is bringing such obstacles also into its scope?
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Old 13th October 2024, 10:27   #2930
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Hi Folks,

Thanks a lot for the tons of information about Seltos, which aided my decision to pick up a GTX+. I have a query on the auto hold function and the idle stop and go function. When standing in traffic, with the auto hold activated, I press the brake, auto hold takes over, and the engine shuts off after few seconds. But the moment I take my foot off the brake, the engine starts again.

So, wanted to know if it’s possible to use auto hold and idle stop and go together, or it’s either of them at one time.
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Dear D AT owners:

Do you experience a faint noise while driving in around 2k RPM? Hard to describe the sound the car is making (more of a metallic "kir-kir" - as if something is loose..?), but it's definitely audible inside the cabin while driving if you listen carefully. Tried recording it but it doesn't get captured as it gets masked by the engine sound. No such noise comes up if you rev the engine in neutral or stop accelerating while driving. Maybe it's related to the turbocharger because the noise is heard in the turbo band and is normal. But never experienced it in other turbocharged cars. Our 1.6 D AT Creta (1st gen) doesn't make that noise either.

Please let me know what you think. Does it warrant a visit to the Kia service centre? The ODO reading is 600 kms.

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Do you experience a faint noise while driving in around 2k RPM? Hard to describe the sound the car is making (more of a metallic "kir-kir" - as if something is loose..?), but it's definitely audible inside the cabin while driving if you listen carefully. Tried recording it but it doesn't get captured as it gets masked by the engine sound. No such noise comes up if you rev the engine in neutral or stop accelerating while driving. Maybe it's related to the turbocharger because the noise is heard in the turbo band and is normal. .
I own a petrol X line and even I have observed this sound. This is usually during the first start for the day and doesn't come up in subsequent starts. I have enquired about this with the SA during the ECU update and he kind of mentioned that it is usual and nothing to worry about - he was saying that something has to heat up during the start and that sound is expected.
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So, wanted to know if it’s possible to use auto hold and idle stop and go together, or it’s either of them at one time.
That is the beauty of Auto Hold function. The expectation is that when the Auto Hold is pressed (grey) and you stop the vehicle by pressing brakes engaging the Auto Hold (green now) - you can relax your foot and press the accelerator when needed. With ISG also turned on (grey), it will become green depending on the cabin conditions and should NOT start the engine if you remove the foot off the pedal. The ISG can start the engine even without pressing any pedal as it will check the cabin conditions for it to start the engine.

But if Auto Hold is turned OFF (no icon), then if you press the brake with IS kicking in next, the engine will again start if you remove the foot off the brake pedal. This behavior is in sync with any other car without the Auto Hold function.

Hope this helps.
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I own a petrol X line and even I have observed this sound. This is usually during the first start for the day and doesn't come up in subsequent starts. I have enquired about this with the SA during the ECU update and he kind of mentioned that it is usual and nothing to worry about - he was saying that something has to heat up during the start and that sound is expected.
Thank you for your response .

The noise that we are experiencing seems to be irrespective to the first start or any subsequent start/drive. It is heard only when the car is being driven (it won't come up while on netural or when you lift your foot off the acceleration while the car is on the move). Basically, you will hear the noise around the 2k RPM (1600-2300 RPM) when you are accelerating but will disappear if you stop accelerating or the car is stand still on neutral.

It seems like acceleration at certain RPMs is causing that noise. If something is loose and making the sound, I reckon it should do it on neutral also when you rev the engine at the same RPM but it does not. It is only when the car is driven, that noise is heard. Maybe the turbocharger spooling up? But it's different than the usual turbo whistle and never heard this kind of noise in any other turbocharged car, including our Creta 1.6 D AT.
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With ISG also turned on (grey), it will become green depending on the cabin conditions and should NOT start the engine if you remove the foot off the pedal. The ISG can start the engine even without pressing any pedal as it will check the cabin conditions for it to start the engine.

Hope this helps.
Thank you! I will have to recheck if ISG was switching on the engine because AC was on. Till now, with Auto hold and ISG on, the engine has always started the moment I lift off the break pedal.
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Thank you! I will have to recheck if ISG was switching on the engine because AC was on. Till now, with Auto hold and ISG on, the engine has always started the moment I lift off the break pedal.
Are you shifting to N after stopping? If yes, try leaving the gear in D next time.
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Thank you for your response .

The noise that we are experiencing seems to be irrespective to the first start or any subsequent start/drive. It is heard only when the car is being driven (it won't come up while on netural or when you lift your foot off the acceleration while the car is on the move). Basically, you will hear the noise around the 2k RPM (1600-2300 RPM) when you are accelerating but will disappear if you stop accelerating or the car is stand still on neutral.
The Diesel has variable valve timing which 'lifts' the valves during hard acceleration especially during downshift and overtaking. It's completely normal. It can also be the rattly plastic engine cover hitting the engine head. Mine does that from time to time.
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ISG is one of the worst engine killers especially with today's diesels.
BS6 diesels rely on high temperatures to properly treat exhaust gases. Frequent stoppages of flow of heating and exhaust gases might prematurely damage the DPF and Catalytic Converter. Not to mention the well documented facts of ISG damaging starters motors and pistons. Hybrid cars have the battery doing all the work during the Idle phase eliminating such issues.

I generally switch off the ISG first thing after starting the car. Both buttons are placed on the same area ��
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The Diesel has variable valve timing which 'lifts' the valves during hard acceleration especially during downshift and overtaking. It's completely normal. It can also be the rattly plastic engine cover hitting the engine head. Mine does that from time to time.
Thank you! This helps.

VVT did come to my mind too but didn't think much about it as the noise can be heard during normal driving (not just hard acceleration). But your explanation makes sense. Will check the engine cover as well, just in case. Really appreciate your inputs .

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ISG is one of the worst engine killers especially with today's diesels.
BS6 diesels rely on high temperatures to properly treat exhaust gases. Frequent stoppages of flow of heating and exhaust gases might prematurely damage the DPF and Catalytic Converter. Not to mention the well documented facts of ISG damaging starters motors and pistons. Hybrid cars have the battery doing all the work during the Idle phase eliminating such issues.

I generally switch off the ISG first thing after starting the car. Both buttons are placed on the same area ��
Agreed. That's the first thing we do too - switch it off. Don't think it's healthy for the car as a whole, particularly for a BS6 diesel engine for all the reasons you stated. The Seltos is our first ever car with the ISG system and we gave it a try for a couple of days, but found it annoyingly intrusive. Not using it ever.
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My colleague Seltos Diesel automatic car is having this image popping on the screen. What could be the reason and what needs to be done?
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