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Old 5th September 2023, 10:23   #526
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A question to new DCT GT+ Turbo petrol and Team-bhp seniors:
What is your view on DCT heating and Kia's solution to it in new Kia Seltos 2023?

I read in some reviews that Kia has interestingly given Idle-Start-Stop to mitigate risks of DCT transmission getting overheated. This stops engine during idling and enables cooling down DCT run.

Do you think it actually solves the problem? In a bumper-bumper traffic situation like Bangalore, how should one handle DCT driving? Any driving tips?
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A question to new DCT GT+ Turbo petrol and Team-bhp seniors:
What is your view on DCT heating and Kia's solution to it in new Kia Seltos 2023?

I read in some reviews that Kia has interestingly given Idle-Start-Stop to mitigate risks of DCT transmission getting overheated. This stops engine during idling and enables cooling down DCT run.

Do you think it actually solves the problem? In a bumper-bumper traffic situation like Bangalore, how should one handle DCT driving? Any driving tips?
I read a few driving tips online but yesterday when I was driving in heavy Bangalore traffic, I realised it's not easy to drive that way. For example, one should not try to accelerate fast immediately after braking. Tough to implement. However, idle-start-stop and auto-hold work flawlessly. As soon as the car comes to a halt, auto-hold gets on and in a few seconds, engine shuts off. It works so smoothly that I have stopped checking it completely, there is no need to apply parking brake or change gear to P. Just apply brake and accelerator and forget everything else. I am not sure how much it would cool the DCT though but should have some effect.
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Old 5th September 2023, 11:18   #528
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there is no need to apply parking brake or change gear to P. Just apply brake and accelerator and forget everything else. I am not sure how much it would cool the DCT though but should have some effect.
I'm no expert and my limited knowledge says the car needs to be in P or N for the DCT to be disengaged and not heat up. With auto-stop, the clutch is still in Drive mode, isn't it? That means dual clutch is still engaged and heat up. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I'm no expert and my limited knowledge says the car needs to be in P or N for the DCT to be disengaged and not heat up. With auto-stop, the clutch is still in Drive mode, isn't it? That means dual clutch is still engaged and heat up. Correct me if I'm wrong.
What I read (and saw in youtube videos) is that, it used to be like that long time back. I used to drive that way about 15 years back, shifting to N always at traffic signal. Nowadays, it's no advantage in changing gear to N mode. Also, there is no practical use of changing to N, its only purpose is when your car is getting towed as the car won't budge if it's in any other gear. Similarly, P is only for parking, nothing else. The DCT is disengaged when auto-hold is on AFAIK but if you are pressing brakes and the car is still moving, the clutch may be strained (same as with manual). I am no expert either.

In addition to this, if you put your car in N anytime, you must also use EPB or your brakes, to keep it from sliding.

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I got to take the new car to office and back home. There is no rubber/protection on the dead pedal. The foot is directly on the carpeted area there. I think I will do a DIY rubber cut-out and stick it with a double sided tape( If it sticks because of the carpet Fibres).

I wanted to know more about the Stop-start function that the IVT has, so maybe some existing IVT owners can chime in too.
1) Does the engine shut-off when brakes are pressed and start when released. Doesn't this consume more Fuel as the brakes are super sensitive and even a slightest change in pressure starts the car. How is this helpful in saving fuel?
2) Can't this stop-start at signal/braking be manual, as in when I brake the car stops and remains in that shut off position till I press the accelerator ( as I would like to remove my foot off the brake and use the handbrake maybe).
3) I believe Auto-hold is not available on the HTX IVT. Can someone confirm this?

The car felt big and overwhelming inspite of me occasionally using the BRV. It will take time to get used to it and the gadgetry inside it.
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Dear members who already bought, booked or planning to book the New Seltos. Please help me with this query.

I just checked the pricing of Kia Carens with 1.5 Turbo petrol DCT which is the similar to top end engine transmission combo of Seltos, but the exshowroom price is almost 1.75 Lacs lesser for Carens which is also a bigger car with two more seats than Seltos. Any reason why? Thanks in advance.
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I'm no expert and my limited knowledge says the car needs to be in P or N for the DCT to be disengaged and not heat up. With auto-stop, the clutch is still in Drive mode, isn't it? That means dual clutch is still engaged and heat up. Correct me if I'm wrong.
My understanding is that DCT is Automatic-Manual. So, engine is automated to decide which gear has to launch depending on the drive condition. In this case, I presume when we are pressed on brake pedal, it will disengage the clutch and hence will not put pressure on DCT system. Vehicle creeping using half-pressed brake without lifting your feet fully will create wear and tear to DCT.

In the case of Idle-Start-Stop, as the engine comes to a complete halt, DCT is not under pressure of heating and hence, it will improve marginally on wear-tear of DCT in overall. Experts - Correct me if I'm wrong.

I am curious to know on how paddle shifters will help/aid in such condition. Are paddle shifters effective in heavy bumper-bumper traffic?
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I am curious to know on how paddle shifters will help/aid in such condition. Are paddle shifters effective in heavy bumper-bumper traffic?
From my understanding, in order to use paddle shifters, the car should be moving at ~20 kmph or more. It's not meant for B2B traffic.
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Dear members who already bought, booked or planning to book the New Seltos. Please help me with this query.

I just checked the pricing of Kia Carens with 1.5 Turbo petrol DCT which is the similar to top end engine transmission combo of Seltos, but the exshowroom price is almost 1.75 Lacs lesser for Carens which is also a bigger car with two more seats than Seltos. Any reason why? Thanks in advance.
I had asked the same question to my SA and his one word answer was ADAS. There are a few features missing too like 360 deg camera, panoramic sunroof etc. Also with smaller alloy wheels, Carens looks more like MUV than an SUV. And if you use the extra seats in Carens, you get much less boot space. Still, Carens is a very good VFM product, in my view.
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This thread is dead as a doornail. I expected it to slow down with Elevate and Nexon hogging limelight this week, but didn't expect it to go dead completely

Are people taking deliveries? There's no update on my delivery except that I was offered a White GTX+ DCT and I rejected as I'm looking for Sparkling Silver only. As per the recommendation of one of the tBHP members on this thread, I emailed the dealer and figured out I'm fourth in line for this particular color/variant. No idea how long it'd take to get the allotment.
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Kia has messed up with the colour combinations. The black interiors of GTX+ feels claustrophobic. I took the test drive of GTX+ diesel AT as well as the DCT. I didn't like the black interiors at all. The Xline interiors look much better, at least in pictures. I couldn't see that in person as the Xline variant was neither on display nor available for test drive. But, Xline is available in only one colour(Matte Graphite) which I don't like.
Kia should either offer more exterior colour options for the Xline variant or offer interior colour options for the GTX+ variant.
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Are people taking deliveries? There's no update on my delivery except that I was offered a White GTX+ DCT and I rejected as I'm looking for Sparkling Silver only.
I would have taken the white one. Hats off to your patience.

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Kia has messed up with the colour combinations. The black interiors of GTX+ feels claustrophobic. I took the test drive of GTX+ diesel AT as well as the DCT. I didn't like the black interiors at all. The Xline interiors look much better, at least in pictures. I couldn't see that in person as the Xline variant was neither on display nor available for test drive. But, Xline is available in only one colour(Matte Graphite) which I don't like.
Kia should either offer more exterior colour options for the Xline variant or offer interior colour options for the GTX+ variant.
Exactly why I chose an xline over the gtline. Much more premium looking interiors. And also I loved the Matt graphite ever since it was launched in the pre facelift version. It was a win win for me.

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This thread is dead as a doornail. I expected it to slow down with Elevate and Nexon hogging limelight this week, but didn't expect it to go dead completely

I don't expect a lot of sales either, so the thread is going to be dead soon. The big problem for Kia is the NCAP ratings which has ruined customer's trust. People who don't always wear seat belts and rely on things like "sound of door thud" still want a car with better safety ratings. Buyers have choices.
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I don't expect a lot of sales either, so the thread is going to be dead soon. The big problem for Kia is the NCAP ratings which has ruined customer's trust. People who don't always wear seat belts and rely on things like "sound of door thud" still want a car with better safety ratings. Buyers have choices.
Well, Seltos sold 9500+ units in July 2023 (pre-facelift), so I don't think sales are an issue at all. It's one of the top selling models despite all the brouhaha around safety and NCAP. Don't have Aug numbers but it should be strong.

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I would have taken the white one. Hats to your patience.
To be honest, I'm very tempted to go with white if this wait continues. I was told nearly 50% of the bookings are for White and most are for GTX+ DCT itself, so I thought I'll get another chance anyway.

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Don't have Aug numbers but it should be strong.
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I don't expect a lot of sales either, so the thread is going to be dead soon.
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Are people taking deliveries?
Hey, Sharing some numbers of Seltos for Aug. Kia’s Seltos continued its steady growth, landing at the seventh spot with 10,698 units sold, a 23.65% increase over the previous year. The Seltos maintained a 7.62% market share.

Source: https://www.rushlane.com/top-10-suvs...-12478491.html
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