[ByteTheClutch]

Guys, I'm in the market for buying a new car. I'm still oscillating between Clavis, Seltos and Creta (in that order). The one reason I have Creta 3rd on the list is due to the missing headrest for the middle seat passenger on the second row. I really wish either Hyundai offered this on the Creta or Kia offered IVT on their top trim Seltos.

Are there any alternative solutions to this?

[Enigma5850]

Originally Posted by ByteTheClutch

Guys, I'm in the market for buying a new car. I'm still oscillating between Clavis, Seltos and Creta (in that order). The one reason I have Creta 3rd on the list is due to the missing headrest for the middle seat passenger on the second row. I really wish either Hyundai offered this on the Creta or Kia offered IVT on their top trim Seltos.

Are there any alternative solutions to this?

Hi, we were in a similar boat when we were considering Creta va Seltos last year. We also wanted to go for a top model with IVT (since this car is primarily driven by my father in BLR city). The following considerations helped to close the decision making:

1. HTX(O) in Seltos- highest model with IVT was missing in 360 degree camera which was a must have. I was not game for aftermarket installation though the SA mentioned they can do it.
2. HTX (O) does not have ADAS. I understand there are mixed opinions on this but I like using it on Highways, specially ACC
3. Even when we contemplated taking Seltos DCT resolving above 2 issues , GTX and Xline had 18 inch alloys and combined with stiffer suspension, we were able to feel the bad roads much more in Seltos while doing TD with family, Creta’s suspension is tuned better for our use case
4. GTX and Xline has dark interiors which visually have a sense of cramped space as opposed to Creta to my parents. Again, this is a personal opinion as a lot of folks prefer dark interior
5. Top model SX Creta IVT was cheaper than Top model Seltos DCT, and with 90% run in city- we were not comfortable with the DCT gearbox
6. We have a i20(2013) and a Verna (2018)and it has been a fuss free ownership experience so far with Hyundai, hence there was a natural inclination
7. The middle seat at back will be used mostly by my daughter when we go on family trips together, who sits now on car seat so headrest was not a deal breaker for us. That being said, it is definitely a miss from Hyundai. I checked for aftermarket solutions but was not able to find anything appealing

[ByteTheClutch]

Thanks for the incredibly useful reply. It certainly helped in my decision making process.

Originally Posted by Enigma5850

7. The middle seat at back will be used mostly by my daughter when we go on family trips together, who sits now on car seat so headrest was not a deal breaker for us. That being said, it is definitely a miss from Hyundai. I checked for aftermarket solutions but was not able to find anything appealing

It's a shame. We have a daughter as well but she is growing up fast. That is also another consideration for us. For now, we are planning on biting the bullet and going for the Clavis. Price and DCT are the concerns, mainly DCT. I've been reading that Hyundai/Kia have tuned this better in the recent times for stop and go traffic in India but only time will tell. I'm planning on taking the extended warranty.

[Enigma5850]

Originally Posted by ByteTheClutch

Thanks for the incredibly useful reply. It certainly helped in my decision making process.



It's a shame. We have a daughter as well but she is growing up fast. That is also another consideration for us. For now, we are planning on biting the bullet and going for the Clavis. Price and DCT are the concerns, mainly DCT. I've been reading that Hyundai/Kia have tuned this better in the recent times for stop and go traffic in India but only time will tell. I'm planning on taking the extended warranty.

Are you looking for petrol or diesel? One of close relative has Carens Diesel DCT top variant and had to face DPF issue as regular office commute happens in peak BLR traffic. Apart from that, I see Kia has upgraded all aspects in Clavis from Carens. He has not experienced any issues with DCT till date.

[ByteTheClutch]

Originally Posted by Enigma5850

Are you looking for petrol or diesel? One of close relative has Carens Diesel DCT top variant and had face DPF issue as regular office commute happens in peak BLR traffic. Apart from that, I see Kia has upgraded all aspects in Clavis from Carens. He has not experienced any issues with DCT till date.

I think your relative may have the diesel torque converter variant as Carens (or any Kia Hyundai car in India for that matter) was never offered in Diesel DCT.

I'm now planning on getting the petrol DCT top variant as 360 camera (and the sunroof for our kid) is a must have. I was ready to let even ADAS go if I need to but not the 360 camera, especially on the Carens Clavis as it's a longer vehicle.

Before we started considering Carens Clavis, we were debating between Seltos GTX+ Petrol DCT vs Seltos GTX+ Diesel AT, especially considering they both cost the same. We were in two minds because the diesel variant comes with the torque converter. But DPF and government policies were of concern. Thankfully Kia has taken that option out of our hands.

[Enigma5850]

Originally Posted by ByteTheClutch

I think your relative may have the diesel torque converter variant as Carens (or any Kia Hyundai car in India for that matter) was never offered in Diesel DCT.

I'm now planning on getting the petrol DCT top variant as 360 camera (and the sunroof for our kid) is a must have. I was ready to let even ADAS go if I need to but not the 360 camera, especially on the Carens Clavis as it's a longer vehicle.

Before we started considering Carens Clavis, we were debating between Seltos GTX+ Petrol DCT vs Seltos GTX+ Diesel AT, especially considering they both cost the same. We were in two minds because the diesel variant comes with the torque converter. But DPF and government policies were of concern. Thankfully Kia has taken that option out of our hands.

Thanks for the correction, it is a TC- I was under an incorrect assumption. I would suggest to opt for model with both ADAS and 360 degree camera. While ADAS is a boon on highway (specially ACC), 360 degree camera is a saviour in tight spots in city.

All the best

[BoredBonnet]

I have been observing my MID overestimates the fuel range. I drive only in city with heavy traffic. Occasional long highway trips around 100km in total. So, the average mileage shown is around 11kmpl in total. However, the range for fuel tank shows almost a 15-16kmpl calculation. Is the range estimation based on static assumption of fuel consumption?
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[FlightDrive]

Hello Creta owners, I am planning to buy a car under 25 lakhs in Bangalore, looking at Creta DCT but quickly turned it down because DCT is not suited for our Indian conditions, according to me the best way a person can enjoy a DCT car is to use it as a secondary vehicle as we enthusiasts know about the gearbox and how to use it but others in the family don't.
Anyways I am confused between Seltos HTX ivt and Creta SX(O) iVT, yes Creta has more features but my family is more inclined towards the interiors of Seltos, I mostly want 360 camera as my dad would also use the car. Creta has got the camera, now I am confused between the two, I want good interiors which is pulling me towards Seltos but in the other hand I also want 360 camera for my dad which only Creta iVT is offering, please help me out with my query. I really don't mind if ventilated seats ADAS are present or not.
We will be keeping this car for a long time (15+ years) and would be used as a family car and occasional temple runs by my parents.

[Senmph]

Originally Posted by FlightDrive

...I mostly want 360 camera as my dad would also use the car. Creta has got the camera, now I am confused between the two, I want good interiors which is pulling me towards Seltos but in the other hand I also want 360 camera for my dad which only Creta iVT is offering, please help me out with my query...

Your budget includes the GTX line of the Seltos, but you're also having concerns regarding darker tone interiors and Dual Clutch Transmission, then the Creta is a no brainer if your preference is on the 360° camera. The lighter tone (light gray) interiors also makes the cabin feels spacious which I like.

We have recently purchased SX Premium IVT (doesn't get the 360 and ADAS) in Bangalore and has been fuss-free.

[Aviator_guy]

Originally Posted by FlightDrive

Hello Creta owners, I am planning to buy a car under 25 lakhs in Bangalore, looking at Creta DCT but quickly turned it down because DCT is not suited for our Indian conditions, according to me the best way a person can enjoy a DCT car is to use it as a secondary vehicle as we enthusiasts know about the gearbox and how to use it but others in the family don't.
Anyways I am confused between Seltos HTX ivt and Creta SX(O) iVT, yes Creta has more features but my family is more inclined towards the interiors of Seltos, I mostly want 360 camera as my dad would also use the car. Creta has got the camera, now I am confused between the two, I want good interiors which is pulling me towards Seltos but in the other hand I also want 360 camera for my dad which only Creta iVT is offering, please help me out with my query. I really don't mind if ventilated seats ADAS are present or not.
We will be keeping this car for a long time (15+ years) and would be used as a family car and occasional temple runs by my parents.

Since it is going to be used for family including parents and mostly city running, Creta would be a better choice. IVT transmission + NA engine combo and better ride quality due to softer suspension vs Seltos makes it a better city car on potholes ridden Blr roads. It won't disappoint you during occasional highway runs either. Since you are planning to keep it for long term, it would would offer fuss free ownership and excellent service levels by Hyundai.

[Enigma5850]

Originally Posted by FlightDrive

Hello Creta owners, I am planning to buy a car under 25 lakhs in Bangalore, looking at Creta DCT but quickly turned it down because DCT is not suited for our Indian conditions, according to me the best way a person can enjoy a DCT car is to use it as a secondary vehicle as we enthusiasts know about the gearbox and how to use it but others in the family don't.
Anyways I am confused between Seltos HTX ivt and Creta SX(O) iVT, yes Creta has more features but my family is more inclined towards the interiors of Seltos, I mostly want 360 camera as my dad would also use the car. Creta has got the camera, now I am confused between the two, I want good interiors which is pulling me towards Seltos but in the other hand I also want 360 camera for my dad which only Creta iVT is offering, please help me out with my query. I really don't mind if ventilated seats ADAS are present or not.
We will be keeping this car for a long time (15+ years) and would be used as a family car and occasional temple runs by my parents.

Hi, we were in a very similar situation last year, where the primary comparison was between the Creta SX (O) Petrol IVT and the Seltos HTX (O) Petrol IVT. We ruled out the DCT because this car is primarily driven by my father—mostly in Bengaluru city and on a few highway trips. We chose the Creta for the following reasons:

1. 360-degree camera – My father switched from an i20 to the Creta and was a little skeptical about the car’s larger size. This single feature has proved extremely helpful for navigating Bengaluru traffic and parking in confined spaces.

2. Ventilated seats – A real boon during peak summer heat, even in Bengaluru, and on occasional highway trips.

3. ADAS – Adaptive cruise control (ACC) is a big plus, especially on highways. While I have turned off most of the other ADAS functions, the cross-traffic alert has been useful in many situations. Since we were investing in a car to keep for roughly 15 years, we wanted it to have ADAS.

4. Brand experience – We already own an i20 (2013) and a Verna (2018), and ownership has been fuss-free with Hyundai, so there was a natural inclination toward the Creta.

All the best for your decision making

[hitzscofield]

Test drove the Creta CVT 1.5 NA

Even before I had purchased Seltos Turbo petrol DCT in Oct 2023, I wanted to check out the CVT with the 1.5 NA engine. Did not go down that route for two reasons: Seltos (for some godforsaken reason) did not come with a top end variant in this combination and the current Creta facelift hadn’t launched yet. (Remember the ugly duck anyone?).

Fast forward to last week, had a decent test drive of the 1.5 NA CVT primarily in heavy traffic (my regular use case, avg speeds of 20-25 kmph) and below are my observations:

1. Smoothness: as CVTs are, this one is extremely smooth to drive. Hyundai has masked the rubberband effect well and it shows. It definitely is one of the best ones out there barring possibly Honda but hey, that’s also due to their iVTec engine! Contrast the turbo DCT which can seem a bit jerky in bumper to bumper traffic. It’s not AMT jerky but you, as a driver, will be aware of gear changes. Your passengers wouldn’t though. The NA + CVT combo also has lesser lag at bottom end which helps things a lot in traffic.

2. Power: The turbo petrol is fast. Not just outright, but it’s got speedy in-gear acceleration which makes overtaking a breeze in the city and on highways. The DCT also drops 1-2 gears quickly depending on your inputs. On the highway, it’s one of the fastest in its petrol competition (C2) with only the VW 1.5 turbo being as good or better. The NA+CVT combo isn’t as fast, obviously, but it gets the job done. It’s perfect runabout city car for peak traffic and office goers. For those who wish to speed things up, CVT, just like DCT, has sports mode (eco, normal, sports) which holds the artificial gears longer thereby feeling peppier. Though this also isn’t as close to the turbo, there is nothing to complain about.

For those who are worried about these NA engines (Korean, Japanese) and their apparent lack of power, honestly, I don’t see a reason to worry. If the use case is heavy city traffic, you cannot go wrong with them. I would pick the Korean 1.5 or the Honda 1.5 to the Maruti one as these would be better.

[BhayanaV]

Originally Posted by hitzscofield

Test drove the Creta CVT 1.5 NA

For those who are worried about these NA engines (Korean, Japanese) and their apparent lack of power, honestly, I don’t see a reason to worry. If the use case is heavy city traffic, you cannot go wrong with them. I would pick the Korean 1.5 or the Honda 1.5 to the Maruti one as these would be better.

Its a trade off as you rightly mentioned. But it's also true that most people are buying DCT since that's the variant available in top end and they want the highest variant only, though the CVT variants are more than sufficiently kitted. For anyone with 10-20% highway drives, CVT is the ideal option.

[hitzscofield]

Originally Posted by BhayanaV

they want the highest variant only, though the CVT variants are more than sufficiently kitted..

You are right. That wasn’t the case in 2023. Now even the HTX+ variant gets 8-way powered driver seat and front ventilated seats. That leaves hardly anything else. Things like 360 camera are still not available in lower variants I guess. But it’s an easier trade off.

[sudeepg]

Originally Posted by hitzscofield

Fast forward to last week, had a decent test drive of the 1.5 NA CVT primarily in heavy traffic (my regular use case, avg speeds of 20-25 kmph) and below are my observations:

Thank you for your honest feedback. It just reaffirms my purchase decision. I agree 100% that DCT's feel jerky. I noticed this "feeling" of sorts when the shifts are from 2 to 3 and 3-4. It is more pronounced in 2nd to 3rd in stop and go traffic. You can really feel it compared to the 7 speed DSG which, oh my lord, is so smooth! This jerkiness is less in economy but very much felt in normal mode.

I use paddles on the highways or the manual mode when I feel like having some fun and it works well. I found the sports mode downshifts not where I'd want them to be for my driving.

Regardless, I am happy with my purchase. The power available is pretty good in the turbocharged version.