Re: Mahindra Thar Roxx Review Had a quick spin of a Thar Roxx D AT. My observations (could be repeating as that of others but still worth sharing to re-assure some of the findings)
1. White interior is big no-no. Do not under estimate this. Seats can be covered but other interior elements including the roof is not possible to cover. The test drive vehicle is soiled and dirty inside so fast and it looked so ugly in few weeks of usage.
2. Worst under thigh support in such a big vehicle and it is worse than 2 Door Thar, I felt.
3. Exiting from rear door is not that convenient. Or I yet to get used to this. Mainly, the height along with the position of the running board is a bit unusual, so, a bit inconvenient. Shorter people/mobility challenged elders will find this extremely uncomfortable along with the narrow entry point and narrower seats/under thigh support etc. Every time, I climbed up to the driver seat, I kind of crushed the seat edges and "slid" in rather than climb up and "sit". I am 5.11 for reference.
4. Better rear boot area compared to Thar. Not very big but still decent. Compared to the Wrangler, the boot is just half in size. May not be enough to carry the suitcases for 4 people overseas' trip drop in the airport, I observed. Wrangler easily could get accommodate this.
5. Best part: Silent/sweet engine/6 AT Aisin combo and the delivery of power which is linear. I thought it will be a bit more peppier but it is not. It is a matured tuning. I do not think the diesel has power modes. When I asked the sales person, he was not sure about that, rather showed me the terrain modes. Very refined engine compared to the D AT 2 Door. No clatter seeps through the interior. This is a top class job by Mahindra. In X1, one can still hear the typical CRDI clatter, but that is also nicely insulated or masked in Roxx. Not a small feat to compare X1 and Roxx. Imagine if we put in some more damping in the doors and some sound proof under the bonnet. It will be dead silent.
6. Steering is far more refined and accurate (not to the level of X1) compared to the already better 2 Door Thar steering which is a hydraulic setup. Classic Innova and Scorpio etc. had worst steering feel IMHO. No connect and it is just dead. I for one, thinks the refined steering feel is actually the proof of a car that handles well and Roxx did not disappoint for sure. U turns were easier compared to the 2 Door.
7. Footwell seems/felt smaller, just like 2 Door or even less? My driver had similar feedback. We took turns to test drive so that I could sit in the back.
8. The display of side view camera in the screen (when the turn indicator is switched on) is not that easy to comprehend yet, at least for me. Might take time to adjust. Somehow, I felt the Creta's implementation was far more refined, intuitive and required less effort to get accustomed.
9. Music system is good on paper, but the real experience was a bit underwhelming for me. The test car had sub woofer but the punch I expected was missing but the bass was present which was not tight. It sounded not "full bodied" or the mid range was completely off compared to the X1. X1 has excellent mid range and a refined bass which is not boomy. Here Roxx's low and high was more prominent and the midrange was nowhere to be felt. Some tuning and adjustment might be required.
10. Now, to the infamous Mahindra's ride tuning of their cars. Still no way this ride is compliant but improved over 2 Door Thar for sure. I still doubt (I would not choose Roxx for ride quality) whether this is good enough for a single car garage.
Creta for e.g. is giving properly tuned highway and city rides which is a necessity for this category. in Roxx, highway rides could cause nausea especially for the rear passengers with this kind of movement in the rear. Even with Wrangler my son used to suffer. I need to confirm this with the long test drive in a highway but the vertical/sideways movement are a cause for concern if one is looking for a Duster/Renault like pliant ride.
Vertical movement is still present especially on undulations and pot holes. Compared to the new Creta, the suspension seems to be of still not filtering the hard hits that much. Creta's suspension does everything silently, and it is is buttery smooth even on undulations, it masks the hard work of the suspension system's noise and movements etc. I know this is not a good comparison but still worth to share. I could not do a long highway kind of test ride as the sales person was not conducive enough. It could be the fact that, he was scared of the toll booth in the vicinity or the fuel. So, I will do a highway test drive and decide, even though I booked a D AT Mocha interior through online.
Add the shortage of the under thigh support, 2nd row is not anyway close to the Creta. I repeat this comparison as I strongly believe, Roxx is a direct competitor to Creta range of CUVs, while, XUV and Scorpio N is attacking the Innova and above territory up to Fortuner.
Roxx tries to sell itself with the rugged image and the extra power on paper. But frankly, 2.2 mhawk will not be fully exploited by neither 2 door or 4 door Thar due to their brick like design thus non-existent aero dynamics and poor high speed manners. XUV 7OO trumps its younger bro in this department. There will be product/price rationalization by Mahindra once the updated 7OO arrives. There are still cannibalization happening within their products. I for one, an example, who is shopping between 7OO and Roxx. Currently, I side with the 7OO for its matured ride quality and supposedly niggle free experience after this many years of feedback and recalls. For me, I need a comfortable highway cruiser which is abuse friendly and easy to fix.
One more thought, I really wonder how long the 2 Door will survive. This will become the niche product and 4 door will sell more as the price difference is almost nil. Or I contemplate that M&M will discontinue the 2 liter and 2.2 liter versions of Thar and sell only 1.5 as this will help to price and configure them apart. The hardcore off roaders are actually very small in numbers and then imagine the people who wants 2 door Thar which will be miniscule. Why 2 doors was successful, because, there was no Roxx then. With a more practical 4 door, even proper off road enthusiasts will put in few more lakhs and go for the 4 doors. I know there are 4-6 lakhs of difference in some cases but things will be rationalized and settle soon.
Thar 2 Door can not survive even with an update as the 2 extra doors are critical for everyone. Most of the enthusiasts purchased this already and now for the rest there multiple options like Roxx with that extra space/door/comfort/convenience/refinement etc. Newer buyers and the ones who did not like 2 Door Thar will just buy the Roxx.
What is left then? 15-19 lakhs for 2 door Thar when a 4 door comfort already exists? It is a dead end for Thar or at least it will sell considerably less in numbers.
I would not be surprised if 2 Door dies a slow death in few years time as Mahindra is such a company, they will not be afraid to kill it off if it is not economical. They are notorious for killing cars rather than improving them further. When an XUV or Scorpio got proper facelift? Same body panels still exists in the classic Scorpio even after 20+ years. KUV is dead, their MUVs are dead as well. Mahindra is such cut throat manufacturer who value profit over everything else.
Over all, Kudos to Mahindra and the team for delivering such a super refined, abuse friendly, almost 80% of what Wrangler can do in 20% of the cost. This is not a small feat. This is a engineering marvel, nothing less. I just wait for Roxx to get exported to the world and see what happens to Stellantis and Jeep. Their only proper vehicle which sells well in US (apart from RAMs) has a serious competitor that can actually threaten its existence, for the first time.
Last edited by sgmuser : 8th October 2024 at 23:17.
Reason: just to add one point
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