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Old 19th January 2025, 09:20   #61
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Re: BMW X5 30D M-Sport vs Mercedes GLE 450D, Edit- vs E450 too

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MB does not have a E450 for test drive and I am probably going to have to go for it blind. Fingers crossed!
I hope it doesn't look like I'm stalking you :-)

E200 would be a great choice. I'm not convinced of the value proposition of E450. From what I know, 450 doesn't offer anything extra in suspension, interiors, convenience, NVH or safety. The chassis of E-LWB is a bit of ponderous lazy car (in a good way) and doesn't leave you wishing you for a more powerful engine - not to mention the very limited opportunities to exploit a more powerful engine. In real world driving that's mostly within the city, you would have exactly the same experience as E200 with higher running costs.

The reason MB doesn't make E450 a bit more special is to prevent overlap with S Class. You may ask, then, why does MB even bother to offer it? MB India likes to cover the entire budget range with their portfolio - they do a pretty good job of it.

If you are in a "Dil Maange More" mood, I strongly suggest a test drive of 7 series before you wrap up your shopping exercise. I'm not recommending a test drive of S Class as I feel a massive facelift is due and 7 feels a lot more premium than CKD S Class.
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Old 19th January 2025, 10:23   #62
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Re: BMW X5 30D M-Sport vs Mercedes GLE 450D, Edit- vs E450 too

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I hope it doesn't look like I'm stalking you :-)

Not at all. It's for this kind of advice and feedback that I have started the thread. You are right about the E450 not offering Airmatic Suspension and Rear Wheel Steering - both features that I was really looking at from online reviews. The E450 does come with the 4Matic AWD. I would like the 6 cylinder engine based on what I have seen online. I will have the occasional long haul when I am hoping to enjoy the larger engine. But if the difference is marginal then I would need to have a rethink about it.


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Re: BMW X5 30D M-Sport vs Mercedes GLE 450D, Edit- vs E450 too

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The 5 series back seat has decent legroom but otherwise was very sparse in comparison.
Hi, did you drive/ ride in the 5 series or just sit in it? The drive is obviously better, but even the rear seat ride is noticeably better in the 5 series. You'll notice it even if you don't look for it. Unless the other creature comforts really matter that much to you, you will live with the ride every day, and with the drive on weekends. Having driven both twice, I was going to close the deal on the 5 series before I started going in another direction. There isn't enough difference in leg room and seat comfort to matter. The music system in the Merc might be marginally better though.

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Re: BMW X5 30D M-Sport vs Mercedes GLE 450D, Edit- vs E450 too

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The E450 does come with the 4Matic AWD. I would like the 6-cylinder engine based on what I have seen online.
If you take decisions by the head, am afraid, Androdev is right. That 6 Cylinder engine or AWD/rear-wheel steering, is good on paper on that chassis considering our driving conditions. Perhaps invest the difference somewhere in the speculative trade or a lottery and then order a Porsche with PDCC/ Rear steering and whatever you want

I will stick with E series over 5 as Rear is where you want to spend the time mostly.

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Re: BMW X5 30D M-Sport vs Mercedes GLE 450D, Edit- vs E450 too

Thanks for the feedback guys. All very much appreciated. Will definitely rethink the E450 vs 200 option. Does it make sense to choose the 220D instead? What are the arguments for petrol over diesel these days? From whatever I have seen in my test drives the diesels have more low end torque. In this segment the diesel engines are refined and seem to have the better mileage.



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Hi, did you drive/ ride in the 5 series or just sit in it? The drive is obviously better, but even the rear seat ride is noticeably better in the 5 series. You'll notice it even if you don't look for it. Unless the other creature comforts really matter that much to you, you will live with the ride every day, and with the drive on weekends. Having driven both twice, I was going to close the deal on the 5 series before I started going in another direction. There isn't enough difference in leg room and seat comfort to matter. The music system in the Merc might be marginally better though.
I have sat in the 5 series in the showroom. Noticeably more spacious in the back row than the X5 which I was looking at. Still on first impressions, the E Class back seat was much better. I had planned to test drive the 5 series sedan this coming week but will have to postpone that due to work travel which will keep me tied up till the end of the month.

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Thanks for the feedback guys. All very much appreciated. Will definitely rethink the E450 vs 200 option. Does it make sense to choose the 220D instead? What are the arguments for petrol over diesel these days? From whatever I have seen in my test drives the diesels have more low end torque. In this segment the diesel engines are refined and seem to have the better mileage.
Diesels are a bit out of favour these days. A lot of complexity has been introduced to comply with emission regulations which can be a "potential" maintenance headache over a period of time. I think prepaid service package costs are higher for diesel cars to reflect this. People are also worried about ban on old diesel cars like in the NCR region.

Another option to consider is EQS580 if there is a good bargain to be had in your city. I'm seeing a lot of buzz in the EQS580 thread:

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/elect...ml#post5906163 (Mercedes-Benz EQS 580 4Matic Review)
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Re: BMW X5 30D M-Sport vs Mercedes GLE 450D, Edit- vs E450 too

Just a random suggestion, when you’re ready to spend time to choose the right car for you, why don’t you have a look at the Audi A8L as well ? Do check it out, highly recommended!
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Re: BMW X5 30D M-Sport vs Mercedes GLE 450D, Edit- vs E450 too

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I have sat in the 5 series in the showroom. Noticeably more spacious in the back row than the X5 which I was looking at. Still on first impressions, the E Class back seat was much better. I had planned to test drive the 5 series sedan this coming week but will have to postpone that due to work travel which will keep me tied up till the end of the month.
Would suggest you try driving/ riding in them on consecutive days over the same road patches if possible (did that by calling them home for the test drive). I don't trust my own memory after 2-3 weeks. Also, normalise (at least in your mind) for tyre pressure. At least one of them will be at 40+psi, if not both
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Re: BMW X5 30D M-Sport vs Mercedes GLE 450D, Edit- vs E450 too

My MB dealer has clarified that the only additions the E450 has over the E200/220D are:

6 Cylinder 3 litre engine
Digital Lights
AMG Trim

So after thinking about it I am going to go the 220D route. Appreciate the feedback on here that pointed out some important factors with the 6 cyl engine on the E450. The 220D car handled really well during the test drive and I think it's the better option for the occasional highway driving as well.
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Just a random suggestion, when you’re ready to spend time to choose the right car for you, why don’t you have a look at the Audi A8L as well ? Do check it out, highly recommended!
Last I checked A8L was phased out some months back
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Re: 2024 Mercedes-Benz E-Class (V214) Review

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The leather in the E is great, but without ventilation, can get sweaty. Carplay navigation appears in the driver display in the 5 while it only appears in the central screen on the E. Somehow the vibe in the 5 series feels modern and sophisticated while that in the E class is more impressive and dazzling.
Those are big misses in a 1+ crore car, when sub 20L cars offer them.
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Re: 2024 Mercedes-Benz E-Class (V214) Review

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I am lost on this fascination amongst car designers for touch screens to take over a significant portion of controls. It may sound hi-tech but as we all know it is unergonomic and can be a safety hazard.
Manufacturers have had to succumb to these giant screens due to customers asking for those screens. No screen = I ain't buying your car. Its a good thing there are several driver aids in todays cars. Without them, the vast majority of us are sitting ducks (I think the risk is higher for folks outside the car). I feel like even a simple instrument binnacle has got so complex that the basic fundamentals of knowing what speed you're at is lost, to an over abundance of information on the screen.

Some manufacturers have screens and have also provided switches for some functions. However, a vast majority of functions remain within those screens which is still an issue. Cars have become so software heavy that a screen has become necessary. My hope is that all these screens have some way to turn them off, when you don't need them, with a hand gesture that can wake them up.

I was a bit surprised Mercedes took this path for the new E Class (Even the S). Its an Executive sedan in the end. 99% chauffeur driven, in almost every part of the world. That front passenger seat is rarely occupied. Who is this screen for!

I think its about time the NHTSA or similar agency step in and call for some change. However, change can happen only once there is sufficient evidence to say these screens are a distraction and safety hazard. We may get that data only in the next decade.
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Re: BMW X5 30D M-Sport vs Mercedes GLE 450D, Edit- vs E450 too

I was looking up some info on the fuel economy of the E220d and found this video (in German) that looks amazing given that he is testing the 4Matic version. The rear wheel drive vehicle that we get here in India should have better performance. I know many like petrol engines but these modern diesel engines are something else when it comes to fuel efficiency. I really would like to see a revival of the diesel engine the more I research the subject.


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Re: 2024 Mercedes-Benz E-Class (V214) Review

I have a E220d on order that is scheduled for delivery next week. For sure I would have loved to have some of that supersceen in the back seat. But given that this is the way things are I am also looking forward to see what I can do with the superscreen features while sitting in the front passenger seat. I saw that the front seat allows the passenger to listen to audio or watch movies via wireless headphones. I am hoping that the passenger can play separate media than what is being played on the main screen. I am also a little intrigued by what can be done with MS 365 and Teams integration. I have to admit there's a part of me that really likes the possibilities with the superscreen.

However I feel that there is a lot that is being missed when discussing the new E Class. There is little to nothing online that covers how well this car is engineered. The little details that take time to fine tune. The ride quality being one. There is a lot of fine tuning that has been done to the chassis (damping etc) that just makes the car a dream to drive. When I test drove the E220d I was surprised how well it handled. Just did not feel like a big car at all. Another is the superb mileage of the diesel engine. I am really looking forward to seeing what this car is capable of. The mild hybrid implementation is also superb - there is such a smooth handover from electric to ICE that you just don't notice. Will get a better impression of this when I get to drive the vehicle more next week onward.
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