[AWD]

Local dealers in our City & around still have no clue of Thar.
I've been waiting for a TD since it was launched, leave alone TD, haven't been able to even catch a glimpse. All thanks to MM & its dealers.


Edit: Spike you have a PM.

[SPIKE ARRESTOR]

@AWD, if you don't mind, can you tell me your location?

Spike

[vinod_nookala]

Originally Posted by khan_sultan

I saw it doing a couple of obstacles on day 1 and also was a passenger in it for some time.

My observations:

). Did it do the trail effortlessly -- NOT at all.

Based on what I saw over 2 days, my conclusion is that the Thar can't hold a candle to the CJ3B's who were in a league of their own.

Infact, according to my observations, the well maintained 340's & 540's/550's did the trail more easily and effortlessly compared to the Thar.

The Thar that came to attend the OTR had removed the front bumper, rear bumper, foot steps, rear lights etc. So there you go...

And yes, on day 2, it DID NOT attempt the big boulder trail/path that led to a huge climb up the hill. I am sure that it would have climbed the hill without blinking for sure but would have been interesting to see how it did over boulders and also how it would have crawled back down with no ABC.

NOTE: SEVERAL people did not attempt the boulder laden path and the steep hill climb -- Thar was one of them.

Dear Khan,
Saying THAR did not do the trail efforlessly is clearly wrong stating of facts! I agree on the first obstacle i had little bit of wheel spin for a moment. Every vehicle had a wheel spin out there specially Gypys's!! Why so big Fuss about THAR?

Be it roby's point, or any other place we never got stuck, towed or winched!! If vehicle was not good we should have got towed right?

I think one should take it with a pinch of salt specially when vehicle is proved to be an all rounder rather than a specialist like old jeeps and Gypsys.

Yes i also feel CJ 3B's are phenomenal off road. They were built for it and they are grand daddy of THAR. However please dont forget they excel in only one department and THAR is an all rounder.

Originally Posted by Jaggu

I observed Thar in few of the obstacles and it did show what it can and what it cannot. Its a good 4x4 IFS vehicle with great power and managed to clear the obstacles that i saw without much trouble.

This time with Vinod driving it was really smooth, he was being careful, the way an owner would be.

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EDIT 2: Khan's reply was while i was replying and i think we both are talking the same thing in different language and 90% things is his reference in the original report.

Jaggu,
Your words managed to clear should mean-
lot of wheel spin, one wheel in the air always, struggling to clear n obstacle and taking lot of time blocking convoy!!

DID THAR DO THAR? Be honest.

Iam normally very careful about the vehicle i drive. Be it solid axle or IFS. I believe in surviving the vehicle for the trail.

Originally Posted by Jaggu

IFS disadvantage, because the wheels were losing traction more than compared to solid axles. Sometime its the front or sometimes its the rear, all related to articulation and stiffness issues of an IFS. And no its not due to tyre, coz there were people with very worn out street tyres who were having an easier time. If NDMS guys can do it, street tire should not be far behind.

We were running on 29 inch tyre. NDMS 700 16 are 30 inch. We were running stock. All were on 30 to 33 inch tyres


P.S - I am a solid axle guy. Cant change my stand. But my point is that efforts are on to prove THAR is a dud. Which it is not!! Please accept the harsh changing reality and move on.

[pjbiju]

@Vinod. When can we expect the Thar to be available in Pune? I am desperate for a test drive (on road and some broken roads)

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by vinod_nookala

We were running on 29 inch tyre. NDMS 700 16 are 30 inch. We were running stock. All were on 30 to 33 inch tyres

Actually, most of us are on 235/75R15, which is 28.87 inches.

[SPIKE ARRESTOR]

Biju, can you come down here? Will arrange for a production overview and test drive and may be some amount of...

Spike

[pjbiju]

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

Biju, can you come down here? Will arrange for a production overview and test drive and may be some amount of...

Spike

That's not a bad idea Spike. I can meet you and some more of my friends and see how things have changed now. Will let you know.

[Tejas@perioimpl]

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

Biju, can you come down here? Will arrange for a production overview

What about us? We don't get an overview?

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

and may be some amount of...

OF?

[SPIKE ARRESTOR]

Doctor, even you are cordially invited, it would be our pleasure. Let us know well in advance.

Spike

[pjbiju]

Some amount of Off-roading. Tejas, you did the Thar Review so why bother about the overview.

[star_aqua]

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

may be some amount of...

Spike, some discount eh?? can we know the amount?

[Jaggu]

Originally Posted by vinod_nookala

Jaggu,
Your words managed to clear should mean-
lot of wheel spin, one wheel in the air always, struggling to clear n obstacle and taking lot of time blocking convoy!!

DID THAR DO THAR? Be honest.

Iam normally very careful about the vehicle i drive. Be it solid axle or IFS. I believe in surviving the vehicle for the trail.

We were running on 29 inch tyre. NDMS 700 16 are 30 inch. We were running stock. All were on 30 to 33 inch tyres

I really did not understand what you meant or what you expect me to reply ^^^ Vinod.

I was being honest and still being honest! i will try to be more clear. This is from my observation of Thar in few obstacle and not all. For egs the Robi point and all i was not in the vicinity to comment, only could hear the turbo whizzzzz from a distance.

As i said earlier, Thar managed to do the obstacles without much fuss/trouble. I never said, it did not OR struggled did I?? I also said you were driving the way it should be driven inside a trail! keeping in mind the safety of people, vehicle and environment (full respect!). Hope there is no confusion with this??

Now having said that, i was not very impressed! Why?? Well because with the IFS (as usual)!! forget the interiors, forget the price.

for egs: when you were coming down the first obstacle (where i was spotting) the amount of leg lifting was more compared to a solid axle. Here a street tire or AT/MT does not matter right? This is just my observation and you had the perfect line and a MWB vehicle.

Again while climbing on the Shanawaz point, more than the IFS it was the superb engine that was aiding the performance (ok we have to look at the package in totality, i agree). I am atleast 100% convinced that the same Crde and solid axle would have been SUPERB there (Tejas you are on right track!).

Now coming back to tyre's except for 3 or 4 NDMS jeep's, rest were on 6x16 if am not mistaken. Then there were jeeps with worn out street tyres also. Point being the 30 inch would definitely add to the capability of Thar in some ways, but will surely further limit the articulation in front according to me.

I have a theory now (as stupid as it may sound), if the front is made stiffer, Thar might just add couple of points to its offroad capability?? Experts please???

One honest question from me to you now. After or before the drive to BLR (from wherever), was the front end attended to?? From the looks of it a nice clean up of suspension bits including tie end and lower arm seems to have been done (or were they new bits?), before coming to aavalaconda?? I had pointed it out to someone earlier itself, refrained from making the comment here to avoid "another" controversy.

Am i on the right track and cleared any perceived bias's

[chaunfa]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Be Wild

Chaunfa are you looking to Fit an A/c onto the Thar after delivery or do you plan to keep it stock, Have you spoken to anyone at the Dealership about A/c Installation? If you have could you please tell us what they have said and any prices that they have quoted regarding A/c Installation.

See being in the cauldron called Delhi, I will naturally get an ac fitted. When I came in to book the 'Thar' the sales rep told us that they would fit the ac and hardtop. Now, as the days are closer, he is saying that they have no information, specially when I asked for the cost.

So my plan was to experience 'the wind in my hair till March from Jan end'. But now it seems that we are on our own. After reading more of Team BHP I have learnt that Sandem 508, would be the option for it. So I will play it by the ear and by the advise from the good people here.

[Tejas@perioimpl]

Originally Posted by pjbiju

Some amount of Off-roading. Tejas, you did the Thar Review so why bother about the overview.

Production overview i wanna see. Spikey, i will be in touch.

EDIT:

Got a second email from Mahindra regarding the Thar TD being postponed (i had initially registered for TD on thier website):

"Thank you for your interest in the Mahindra Thar. We are overwhelmed by the test drive requests received from all over the country. We know you are anxious to get behind the wheel and we assure you that your test drive will be scheduled by first week of March. We trust that true 4x4 enthusiasts, like you, will be nothing short of blown away."

[Jaggu]

Originally Posted by Tejas@perioimpl

Got a second email from Mahindra regarding the Thar TD being postponed (i had initially registered for TD on thier website):

"Thank you for your interest in the Mahindra Thar. We are overwhelmed by the test drive requests received from all over the country. We know you are anxious to get behind the wheel and we assure you that your test drive will be scheduled by first week of March. We trust that true 4x4 enthusiasts, like you, will be nothing short of blown away."

Lol i was telling the same to someone! What is with this slipping timeline even for a test drive?? Hope everything is ok on the production line???

Wish it would be a pleasant surprise for all after this long wait!