Resurrection of (a) Stanher by Stanher!

motomaverick · 5th March 2010, 10:32

Watiing for an update. It would good to see this stanher in full glory.

kingofmyworld · 5th March 2010, 12:11

Any updated pics of the stanher, stanher?

chanu · 6th March 2010, 01:16

It's a bright idea of re structuring the chassis by the 'U' shaped tubular support, Shyam have through look for weak places or to be weak points in future, are you also getting the 'U' shaped tubes welded on the top aswell and would you be getting electrically welded or would it be a spot welding?

By the time the chassis is getting/will be done are you thinking about something else for the car to get done like the seats, engine etc.

I am clueless of what happened to the cars which used to be parked besides SBH bank opp to Chermas garments, I doubt they must have ended at the scrap yard I am praying you should get a healthy chassis but the scrap yard market is so fast "if sold fine if not they scrap it". If not the cars atleast the chassis would get a good caretaker.

IndrojitSircar · 6th March 2010, 14:13

Sir Shyam some updates would be good.

Stanher · 6th March 2010, 21:06

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Originally Posted by IndrojitSircar

Sir Shyam some updates would be good.

Sorry friends, you will have to be patient for a while! My net connection at home has conked out once again, and I'm at the end of my patience with this lousy service!

I have decided to switch to what I've heard of as a better connection, it will take some time until I'm online regularly again! (Right now typing from a net cafe in our society, so cant upload pics. etc here in this system)

So just do be patient in the meanwhile! As Arny Schwarzenegger says, A'll be baaakkk!!

Stanher · 12th March 2010, 01:03

OK, so out with a brief but significant update this time!

The work had momentarily been stopped with the garage guys being busy with other cars.

The new metal sections for the outriggers had been cut out and shaped to fit the rear outriggers.

It turns out that the old sections that were rusted are not going to cut off afterall, only the area surrounding the corrosion is, and the new metal sections are welded on, overlapping the existing frame.

More as work progresses.

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nim_peter · 15th March 2010, 22:44

Hi Stanher,

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Won't adding extra sheet over the chassis bars change the thickness of the bars. Won't it create problems when the other parts are assembled?

Stanher · 15th March 2010, 23:22

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Originally Posted by nim_peter

Won't adding extra sheet over the chassis bars change the thickness of the bars. Won't it create problems when the other parts are assembled?

I did have the same doubt in my mind, but the garage guys say they refrain from cutting off the entire old rails and welding on complete new rails directly, as it'll tend to distort the overall alignment of the rails. Anyways, let me clarify from them again.

SuperSelect · 15th March 2010, 23:50

Going good Shyam ! Each post in this thread has something to learn..
I wish Team-BHP had a "like" button, just like facebook - I would've pressed it each time I checked a post on this thread

chanu · 16th March 2010, 01:34

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Originally Posted by nim_peter

Hi Stanher,

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Won't adding extra sheet over the chassis bars change the thickness of the bars. Won't it create problems when the other parts are assembled?

I don't think so, here strengthening the place where the corrossion has taken place and its just few MM sheet which is welded on it should not make much difference.

Arnold Schwarzenegger

Yes it would make difference in the overall weight of the car. Shyam you are making her Standard Schwarzenegger in terms of strength. I guess RC book needs a correction in regards to the unladen weight..He he he "Solid Build hai Bhai" (Just kidding) all the best.

mycarhasablower · 16th March 2010, 11:15

thanks to you i am learning a lot about the internal structure of the herald. very useful info besides being interesting. resto threads are my favourite kind on tbhp. btw did u chek out tonrag's thread on the chevy fleetmasters resto???very interesting stuff

and btw i dont see how sandblasting is expensive. you can buy the gun hook it up to a compressor and do the sandblasting yourself.i dont think industrial level sand blasting equipment would be required. i bought this equipment myself and used it on my bikes engine housing before painting it. i had bought a compressor and a spray gun 4-5 years ago to paint my fiat. i just bought the sandblasting gun for another 500, some sand and a n 95 mask (respiratory protection is very important unless you want silicosis and wanna go in for a lung transplant) and i was ready to go.

since you cant use sodium hydroxide on aluminium for removing paint , this was the only option and lemme tell you its effective, and the finish of the surface is very uniform. try it out.

http://www.secondchancegarage.com/pu...cover-redo.cfm this is the link to the page which gave me the idea of sandblasting. my gun looks very different though

Stanher · 16th March 2010, 15:35

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Originally Posted by mycarhasablower

thanks to you i am learning a lot about the internal structure of the herald. very useful info besides being interesting. resto threads are my favourite kind on tbhp. btw did u chek out tonrag's thread on the chevy fleetmasters resto???very interesting stuff

Thanks! Yes, of course I had viewed tonrag's chevy thread! Very commendable job he did with the few resources he had.

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and btw i dont see how sandblasting is expensive. you can buy the gun hook it up to a compressor and do the sandblasting yourself.i dont think industrial level sand blasting equipment would be required. i bought this equipment myself and used it on my bikes engine housing before painting it.

I guess DIY is a good option. But since jai wasnt keen on sandblasting anyways, I dropped the idea. 'might be worth trying on my other project!

But I do intend to use ortho-phosphoric acid, which turns rust black on applying, as done by another team bhpian, albeit on an SS80:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1726840-post817.html

IndrojitSircar · 18th March 2010, 22:42

Hi Shyam

Work seems to be going well. One thing i wanted to ask is that did you guys treat the chassis before starting the welding of the sheet on top of it?Incase you do not then the corrosion will still continue to happen under the sheet you are welding now and you will have a flase sense of security that all is well.

Stanher · 19th March 2010, 00:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndrojitSircar

Work seems to be going well. One thing i wanted to ask is that did you guys treat the chassis before starting the welding of the sheet on top of it?Incase you do not then the corrosion will still continue to happen under the sheet you are welding now and you will have a flase sense of security that all is well.

Thanks Indrojit- as for treating the chassis, I did suggest using caustic soda and (ortho) phosphoric acid to apply on the chassis before the patchwork but the garage guys say if we apply any of that and it enters into the inside of the chassis rails, it would tend to eat into the insides etc.!
I still feel ortho phos. wouldnt harm the metal and would only eat away the rust. I still intend to treat the whole chassis once finished with it, with it before they coat it with even primer etc.

IndrojitSircar · 19th March 2010, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanher

Thanks Indrojit- as for treating the chassis, I did suggest using caustic soda and (ortho) phosphoric acid to apply on the chassis before the patchwork but the garage guys say if we apply any of that and it enters into the inside of the chassis rails, it would tend to eat into the insides etc.!
I still feel ortho phos. wouldnt harm the metal and would only eat away the rust. I still intend to treat the whole chassis once finished with it, with it before they coat it with even primer etc.

Not a problem sir

. I think it should be done now at this stage before the metal sheet being welded on.I am sure there are some more ways to treat the chassis. Why don't you look at those and even i will try and find out for you. But till then i would say put a hault on the current patch work.Later you don't want trouble with a thing like the chassis once every thing is done. The corrosion has to be stopped on the chassis before!

Its just my point of view on this.

5th March 2010, 10:32	#121
motomaverick Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,898 Thanked: 989 Times View My Garage	Watiing for an update. It would good to see this stanher in full glory.
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5th March 2010, 12:11	#122
kingofmyworld BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Hyderabad / pensylvania. Posts: 816 Thanked: 536 Times View My Garage	Any updated pics of the stanher, stanher?
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6th March 2010, 01:16	#123
chanu Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: APX to AP 29 Posts: 1,483 Thanked: 150 Times View My Garage	It's a bright idea of re structuring the chassis by the 'U' shaped tubular support, Shyam have through look for weak places or to be weak points in future, are you also getting the 'U' shaped tubes welded on the top aswell and would you be getting electrically welded or would it be a spot welding? By the time the chassis is getting/will be done are you thinking about something else for the car to get done like the seats, engine etc. I am clueless of what happened to the cars which used to be parked besides SBH bank opp to Chermas garments, I doubt they must have ended at the scrap yard I am praying you should get a healthy chassis but the scrap yard market is so fast "if sold fine if not they scrap it". If not the cars atleast the chassis would get a good caretaker.
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6th March 2010, 14:13	#124
IndrojitSircar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Kolkata/Delhi Posts: 2,318 Thanked: 972 Times	Sir Shyam some updates would be good.
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12th March 2010, 01:03	#126
Stanher Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hyderabad, AP Posts: 6,491 Thanked: 2,087 Times View My Garage	Arny strikes baakkk!! OK, so out with a brief but significant update this time! The work had momentarily been stopped with the garage guys being busy with other cars. The new metal sections for the outriggers had been cut out and shaped to fit the rear outriggers. It turns out that the old sections that were rusted are not going to cut off afterall, only the area surrounding the corrosion is, and the new metal sections are welded on, overlapping the existing frame. More as work progresses.
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15th March 2010, 22:44	#127
nim_peter BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 187 Thanked: 99 Times	Hi Stanher, Please correct me if I'm wrong. Won't adding extra sheet over the chassis bars change the thickness of the bars. Won't it create problems when the other parts are assembled?
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15th March 2010, 23:50	#129
SuperSelect Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mumbai. Posts: 1,806 Thanked: 247 Times View My Garage	Going good Shyam ! Each post in this thread has something to learn.. I wish Team-BHP had a "like" button, just like facebook - I would've pressed it each time I checked a post on this thread
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16th March 2010, 11:15	#131
mycarhasablower BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: -_- Posts: 315 Thanked: 130 Times	thanks to you i am learning a lot about the internal structure of the herald. very useful info besides being interesting. resto threads are my favourite kind on tbhp. btw did u chek out tonrag's thread on the chevy fleetmasters resto???very interesting stuff and btw i dont see how sandblasting is expensive. you can buy the gun hook it up to a compressor and do the sandblasting yourself.i dont think industrial level sand blasting equipment would be required. i bought this equipment myself and used it on my bikes engine housing before painting it. i had bought a compressor and a spray gun 4-5 years ago to paint my fiat. i just bought the sandblasting gun for another 500, some sand and a n 95 mask (respiratory protection is very important unless you want silicosis and wanna go in for a lung transplant) and i was ready to go. since you cant use sodium hydroxide on aluminium for removing paint , this was the only option and lemme tell you its effective, and the finish of the surface is very uniform. try it out. http://www.secondchancegarage.com/pu...cover-redo.cfm this is the link to the page which gave me the idea of sandblasting. my gun looks very different though Last edited by mycarhasablower : 16th March 2010 at 11:30.
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18th March 2010, 22:42	#133
IndrojitSircar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Kolkata/Delhi Posts: 2,318 Thanked: 972 Times	Hi Shyam Work seems to be going well. One thing i wanted to ask is that did you guys treat the chassis before starting the welding of the sheet on top of it?Incase you do not then the corrosion will still continue to happen under the sheet you are welding now and you will have a flase sense of security that all is well.
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