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Old 21st December 2017, 12:01   #91
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If a rider is aware that jaywalkers and animal problem exists, then why knowingly ride on public roads like a race track?
Can't really agree. Do you mean that there aren't jaywalkers on the highways? For instance, in GST road here at TN, the official speed limit at most of the places are 90 kmph but you can't really be 'aware' from where these people jump all of a sudden. Forget the super bikes, you can't even manage the situation with a commuter. I have personally seen a car that was in front of me at decent speeds (70-80 kmph) dashing a guy who suddenly jumped out of a bush from the median. It was an open highway with no habitation around. Who is at the fault here?

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Who is at the fault here?
Like many have quoted here, India doesn't deserve motorized vehicles at all. We should go back to bullock carts and bicycles.
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Riding and being alive is purely a matter of luck in our country if you ask me. People who want to be safe should either drive cars or use public transport.

No matter what you ride, how slow you ride or where you ride, you are at the mercy of your luck. Skill is secondary!

I can stay alive in a supercharged Ninja H2R and I can die even on a luna. Our part, we can try to anticipate idiots and plan evasive maneuvers every single moment we ride.

Blaming superbikes/speeds for deaths is pointless. More number of people who die on 100cc everyday is more than that who die on a superbike in a year

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Old 21st December 2017, 13:21   #94
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You are absolutely right in saying that jaywalking is a big Indian problem compared to rest of the world. We compete with animals when it comes to jaywalking - especially across six lane high speed exthere is a reason why in other countries, before one is issued a high capacity motorcycle riding license, about 60% of time in the multi year course is spent on emergency braking skills - its not a naturally acquired skill gained just by riding 1000s of kms - it needs to be learned in a formal training environment.
We are being too judgemental about his bike and riding style without even knowing what had actually happened. Im surprised
as i had thought teambhp to be a bunch of mature enthisiasts but some posts here prove otherwise. If he had been riding rossi style as people say here, he would not have survived this long as the guy rides a lot of superbikes. It takes guts and foolishness to ride rossi style inside city. Morover, most of the superbike owners ride really slow inside city except for a few squids who wear a cheapo studds helmet and vroom vroom in style.

Jaywalkers are a plenty in our country, go for a piss and you will find a jaywalker there. Such is the state of affairs in india, Of course, anticipation is the key to safe riding and equally people should stop being zombies on the road.

Have people not heard about cars,lorries, buses killing a pedestrian ? So i think all these should be banned. Walking is safe in india, wait, i may slip and kill myself. Walking should be banned too. Why this hype and speculation when a biker gets killed for maybe 50 percent fault of his ?

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You've hit the nail on the head buddy. That IS the reality of our country and the elephant in the room which Superbike brands operating here don't want you and I to think about - because it will kill their sales.

Just because one is now able to buy a European superbike in India does not mean that indian road and traffic conditions have suddenly transformed themselves into Europe.
Why only the superbike brands ? Only bike allowed should be the TVS Luna then by this logic
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Old 21st December 2017, 21:29   #96
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I've been reading some bike roadtrip threads on BHP.

As a fairly new rider rapidly gaining experience (20,000km on 4 different continents, mainly on 600cc+ bikes) and a very experienced driver (former courier and lorry driver, ex-racing driver & drifter) I do not understand the approach some Indians choose to take on trip planning for motorcycle adventures.

2 recent bike trip threads have guys riding over 20 hours on day1. In both examples, late into this day, there were incidents leading to bike damage that could have been a whole lot worse.

One huge element of risk is rider impairment. Riding more that 12 hours in a day is going to really start increasing your risk levels through fatigue, especially when the late hours of the trip start to coincide with darkness. It's also a bad idea to do the longest riding on the first day - riding is physically and mentally draining above and beyond driving. Your body and senses need to adapt to a long stint in the saddle - personally I always plan to ride longer on day 2/3 than day 1 (the opposite to 4 wheeled trips).

Feats of endurance do have their place in biking of course, but to attempt one "fresh out of the box" on limited rest is surely a dangerous way to pursue it. Minimising risk levels is about more than speed & wearing safety gear, you need to consider yourself too.

Ride safe guys.
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Makes me very sad to share this. Heard it happened between Mumbai & Pune. Rider was overtaking while the trailer abruptly changed lanes. Something like this has happened with a friend en route to first IBW in Goa a few years ago. Heard the bike was recently bought and just completed first service.

Very sad a life has been lost for no reason. Always ride assuming nobody can see you. It will keep you safe.
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Very sad a life has been lost for no reason. Always ride assuming nobody can see you. It will keep you safe.

These are from Sunday's ride to Charoti on the NH-8. It was near the Vasai. The deceased and my friends used to ride together since ages. The bike was bought just a few days back and it was being run in for the first service.

He was not even overtaking! The trailer was in the second lane and the bike was in the first lane, just when the bike reached the centre of trailer the trailer driver swerved to the right for no reason leaving no space for the bike to pass.

The trailer driver fled the scene after dragging the bike and rider stuck in the differential to the left lane.
May his soul rest in peace.
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From what is described this is very sad and for really no fault of rider.

I have just one general personal reminder in this for me - trucks have too many blind spots and best to keep a distance from them and if we are alongside it should be to actually overtake - riding alongside a big truck seems strictly avoidable.
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These are from Sunday's ride to Charoti on the NH-8. It was near the Vasai. The deceased and my friends used to ride together since ages. The bike was bought just a few days back and it was being run in for the first service.

He was not even overtaking! The trailer was in the second lane and the bike was in the first lane, just when the bike reached the centre of trailer the trailer driver swerved to the right for no reason leaving no space for the bike to pass.

The trailer driver fled the scene after dragging the bike and rider stuck in the differential to the left lane.
May his soul rest in peace.
Really sad to see this. May his soul rest in peace.

From your post, it is not the biker's fault, so how does we avoid such situation, which we constantly face in the highways?

The longer the vehicle the more the blind spot area.
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If I have read the OPs post correctly it seems that the rider was in the extreme right fast lane which the trailer chose to cut into without signaling. It is possible that he was trying to overtake the trailer which is often a reasonable move i.e. fall back/overtake a bigger vehicle instead of riding alongside. Honestly, in our conditions, riding on highways is a proposition fraught with risks. The only way to cut risk out is to stop riding altogether.

May the deceased rider RIP.
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Old 27th December 2017, 09:53   #102
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The inherent danger that every 2 wheeler rider not only a superbiker under takes while riding is the problem of visibility. The bigger vehicles either dont see the rider or dont care too much to know if there is someone there .
A very unfortunate incident this. Over the years I have learned that while overtaking anything on the expressway/fairway always assume that the vehicle might quickly change lanes, be swift in your overtaking and where ever possible always keep a large gap between the bigger tippers/buses and yourself.

May the departed R.I.P
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http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motorb...thread-16.html

Maybe we can discuss it here [an appropriate thread] I too have shared my views on that thread.
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The lack of side rails on the trailer may be a factor in the fatal nature of the accident.

These were made mandatory in the UK decades ago and help to prevent smaller vehicles ending up under the chassis of a large trailer or lorry.

RIP to the unfortunate rider involved.
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It saddens me to share this piece of news.

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NAVI MUMBAI: A 76-year-old businessman and avid biker from Nepeansea Road, Naozer Ja- mshed Aga, died in a crash as his Kawasaki Ninja sports bike hit an unmarked speed-breaker on the old Pune highway near Ghodivli phata on Monday morning.
The chairman of Virat Industries, a listed comp any, sustained head injuries as his helmet was crushed after he was flung on to the opposite side. "The biker was escorted by his car, which had gone ahead and his driver was unaware of the accident," police said.

Link to full article - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/62990101.cms

A beautiful eulogy shared by his son on a whatsapp group I am on.
My dear friends , I thank you for all your support and condolences at this trying time . What happened is indeed a very unfortunate and great tragedy . My beloved father Naozer passed away this morning at about 9 am after meeting with a fatal motorcycle accident whilst on the way to Poona.He had a mad passion for motorcycles from the age of 8 and he saw that passion through right to his final moments . Naozer passed away in a very instant manner without any suffering or disfigurement associated with motorcycle accidents.He knew the lay of the land he rode on well however a newly installed speed breaker is suspect , which the poor guy would have gone unwittingly over without extra caution . When I saw him this morning and not because he is my father , he looked like a great warrior fallen in battle with dignity and grace. God bless you Dad , we love you and will always miss you.
It makes me so sad that a life is lost for no reason, speed breakers on highways are deadly because if you hit one and anything over crawling speeds on a superbike you completely lose all control because the bike goes airborne and the aggressive riding position makes it very difficult to recover. I think in this case we can all surely conclude he must not have been riding rashly at all.

I often wonder in anger an anguish about all the loss to personal property and life that occurs due to the pathetic state of our roadworks. Usually, its taken care of by insurance. People who drive cars with low profile tires and bigger rims already know this pain since we keep spending money out of pocket. But there surely should be some redressal mechanism. We should be able to sue the government for this but I am unsure and hoping people who understand or practice law can chime in here.
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