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Old 24th June 2019, 15:21   #28801
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Accident involving a Santro and an Endeavour ....

SUV driver did not switch on indicator and waited for oncoming traffic.
That's one negative of SUVs - the high GC. A 800kg vehicle simply toppled a 2 tonne vehicle. Even if you climb onto a brick sized stone obstacle at 80+ speeds, which is more likely in the nights due to poor visibility, most SUVs would topple and roll over. Not the case with sedans though. Even if you dodged the obstacle just in time a sedan would have a oil sump bust and some underbody damage. Nothing much.

The Santro seems to hardly have any damage compared to the damage on the Endy (partly by the Santro, mostly by itself). Had it been a European sedan (barring Renault) in place of the Endy, things would have quite different.

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Old 24th June 2019, 15:46   #28802
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Accident involving a Santro and an Endeavour.
More than the crash, what surprised me was the Dzire driver's quick reaction to the situation. First, he didn't come to a dead halt (which many would have, myself included) when the humongous Endy toppled. He continued to move away.

At 0:27, he again sped up just in time to avoid being hit by the Santro. Hard to come across such attentive drivers these days.

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Old 24th June 2019, 17:27   #28803
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SUV driver did not switch on indicator and waited for oncoming traffic.
Didn't even look. Or useless at judging speed.
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Old 24th June 2019, 19:32   #28804
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Happened in Indore yesterday:
That's one scary pileup! That car which is closest to the truck is a complete mess. Remaining others have varying levels of damage.
One more reason I'd prefer putting myself inside an SUV than a Sedan.

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Accident involving a Santro and an Endeavour
SUV driver did not switch on indicator and waited for oncoming traffic.
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Didn't even look. Or useless at judging speed.
Probably a result of that typical 'I am the bigger car, traffic, especially the tiny ones will stop for me' attitude?

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That's one negative of SUVs - the high GC. A 800kg vehicle simply toppled a 2 tonne vehicle. Even if you climb onto a brick sized stone obstacle at 80+ speeds, which is more likely in the nights due to poor visibility, most SUVs would topple and roll over. Not the case with sedans though. Even if you dodged the obstacle just in time a sedan would have a oil sump bust and some underbody damage. Nothing much.

The Santro seems to hardly have any damage compared to the damage on the Endy (partly by the Santro, mostly by itself). Had it been a European sedan (barring Renault) in place of the Endy, things would have quite different.
Agreed. A high CG always plays against an SUV. But to my above point, I'd rather be t-boned sitting in an Endeavour (or any other comparable SUV) by a Santro rather than the other way around.
Also, that's how it usually is, the one that get's t-boned comes off worse - body & frame damage, irrespective of the vehicle. Compared to the other vehicle which has its crumple zones to absorb the impact.
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Old 24th June 2019, 20:16   #28805
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A while ago there was a lot of discussion on the missing k truss of the endeavour. Could it's absence be contributing to this type of accident.
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Old 24th June 2019, 22:14   #28806
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Could it's absence be contributing to this type of accident.
Not sure of the technicalities involved but a tall vehicle rolling over after a T-bone crash isn't uncommon.

I've seen a few such videos on Youtube; here's one:



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https://twitter.com/imcomrade/status...06748600848384

Translation: Happened last week near our area. The motorist died on spot, however the man who caused the accident coolly walked off with his bicycle.
Hi,
Anyone know whether the cyclist was caught in this case?
What worries me more is that not a single soul came forward to check on the rider. Poor guy lying there dead probably the instant he went under, and no one bothered to check.
Hope this changes after the new amendment to the motor vehicles amendment bill, with the good Samaritan clause.
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A while ago there was a lot of discussion on the missing k truss of the endeavour. Could it's absence be contributing to this type of accident.
No. That missing component is for chassis rigidity. It has no bearing on vehicle stability.
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Old 24th June 2019, 23:40   #28809
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A while ago there was a lot of discussion on the missing k truss of the endeavour. Could it's absence be contributing to this type of accident.
All higher sprung vehicles (SUVs, Crossovers, MUVs) are more vulnerable to rollovers/overturning quite easily be it while being driven at higher speeds around corners, sudden lane changes, frontal-offset collisions or easily rolling over taking a hit sideways as in this scenario all due to higher center of gravity and consequently lesser stability compared to lower sprung hatchbacks and sedans.
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Old 25th June 2019, 09:29   #28810
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A while ago there was a lot of discussion on the missing k truss of the endeavour. Could it's absence be contributing to this type of accident.
The K truss provides rigidity while towing or pushing, other than that it is just an additional weight, and in a crash at an angle the K truss may even carry the shock ahead.
If we do not use a vehicle for towing a trailer, it's absence is better.


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Old 25th June 2019, 12:56   #28811
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Isn't it simple physics? The Endy or the Creta were T-boned by a large force. The grippy nature of the tires provided a point around which the force could pivot and it created a turning force, i.e torque to turn the car around the pivot.
The larger the radius of the moving force, the greater the torque.

Sorry if I am completely out of my depth here.
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Isn't it simple physics? The Endy or the Creta were T-boned by a large force. The grippy nature of the tires provided a point around which the force could pivot and it created a turning force, i.e torque to turn the car around the pivot.
The larger the radius of the moving force, the greater the torque.
Of course.
I think the confusion is how come it rolled over, rather than just skid sideways and remain upright. Had the endeavour had a low Center of Gravity, it would not have rolled. Let me illustrate with a crude diagram. The distance H is the reason behind the car rolling and not remaining upright. Had H been really low, for example, in case of a sedan (or even negative, in case of a sports car), the rollover wouldn't have happened.
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Old 25th June 2019, 19:28   #28813
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Accident involving a Santro and an Endeavour

SUV driver did not switch on indicator and waited for oncoming traffic.
I hope everyone involved escaped with minimal possible injuries other than those sustained heavily by cars. Santro driver can be seen coming out of the car.

Arrogance and overconfidence of being invincible in an SUV. Lesson learnt a hard way. David killed Goliath. --NOM -- I am sure he is alive, but his world has turned upside down.

Sarcasm: One question to be asked to the endy owner, did he forget to install indicators in the car when he purchased other accessories or does he really knows that such a feature exists in his car, if he is not aware: other than only driving around.

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Old 26th June 2019, 10:05   #28814
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Came across this on FB. Not clear on any casualties if any...


https://www.facebook.com/groups/rush...8501816082614/

Drive safe...
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Old 26th June 2019, 16:56   #28815
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Came across this on FB. Not clear on any casualties if any...

Drive safe...
When we were discussing about the need for under-run bars in trucks, this accident opens up a new debate for under-run bars in buses. The verna is literally under the bus. If the driver survived then it would be a resurrection kind of miracle.

The car driver could be doing good speeds to go under a bus. Sympathy for his/her family and friends.
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