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Old 1st November 2024, 17:25   #41326
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Concede your point on the hatched distant solid lines denoting a median, BUT I still maintain that double solid centre-lines can be crossed (when safe) to turn right into private or commercial premises or a side road. That is the explicit rule in the UK at least and in large parts of the US. I am unaware of the Continent though.
How is a UK/ US rule relevant here?
I have produced above the Delhi Traffic Police source as well. Let us abide by the law of the land please rather than stick to what is true in some other country. Just for info, I abide by UK laws whenever I drive there as well.
If you want to cross these lines in India when you think it is safe, others could perceive it as unsafe and therefore you could be charged for the violation. As simple as that.
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Old 1st November 2024, 19:54   #41327
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How is a UK/ US rule relevant here?
I miscommunicated somewhat. The Delhi Police rule (I believe) does not forbid turning right into side roads and premises on double solid lines. From my reading, 'crossing' the lines in the rule above is in the context of overtaking only, AND U-turns are explicitly prohibited as stated of course. Right turns are allowed. Just to clarify, ask this is applicable to undivided highways; I’m not referring to city or municipal streets where more stringent hyperlocal rules usually apply.

MV Rules explicitly bans a U-turn across even a single solid line but is silent for all right turns. Logically, this should mean a right turn can be carried out across both single and double solid lines.

Happy to be corrected of course by an expert.

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Old 1st November 2024, 20:05   #41328
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How is a UK/ US rule relevant here?
I have produced above the Delhi Traffic Police source as well. Let us abide by the law of the land please rather than stick to what is true in some other country. Just for info, I abide by UK laws whenever I drive there as well.
If you want to cross these lines in India when you think it is safe, others could perceive it as unsafe and therefore you could be charged for the violation. As simple as that.
US rules are not applicable but India's highway rules are heavily borrowed from UK rules.

Please refer to the document - https://law.resource.org/pub/in/bis/...p.044.1996.pdf

Quoting from the document. (Images are blurred)
A double
solid white or yellow centre line defines the centre of a road. Double White/Yellow Line where traffic is flowing in both directions. Where provided
overtaking is not permitted in either direction. Vehicle must
not cross or saddle it except when needed to get in and out
of premises or a side road, or when ordered by a policeman
to cross the line or when needed to avoid a stationary object.
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I have produced above the Delhi Traffic Police source as well.
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The Delhi Police rule (I believe) does not forbid turning right into side roads and premises on double solid lines.
Yes, correct. MVDR 2017 is vague and not clear and doesn't cover all the scenarios.
As per the rules published on Delhi Traffic Police website, it says only overtaking is prohibitied but doesn't mention about turning right.

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Australia had defined it much clearly. We can cross the double solid lines to enter or leave the road. This definition is much practical and usable.

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https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boati...lines-markings

Bottomline, our rules are not clearly defined and markings are not consistent.
We need to rely on basics of driving which is based on observation.
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Old 2nd November 2024, 01:13   #41330
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My 2 cents:
1. Yes, not following safe distance with respect to speed is the most important factor for the accident.
2. While the modern cars braked in a short distance, assuming equal reaction times, Bolero and Force tempo took longer stopping distance, time resulting in pile up. Not to mention the vehicle at last, thanks to ABS, could evade in time by braking and steering.

3. Bolero and Force tempo weight more than lighter moden cars, have poor brakes. So the convoy should have maintained more distance between other cars and Boleros and tempo considering these facts.
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Old 2nd November 2024, 09:43   #41331
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Since there is a fair bit of confusion about the double yellow line as seen in the video, I decided to look it up at the authoritative source - ie, Indian Road Congress's website. Here is what I found out in their road markings standard (this is only about the median (centre) line - not about the lane lines or edge lines).
  1. Two lines with hatches come in both white and yellow colours, and the hatches could be 4m or 6m apart - to give a total of 4 combinations. These are numbered HM10, HM11 (white with 4m/6m), HM12 & HM13 (yellow with 4m/6m).
  2. They are specified to be exclusively used on undivided roads with 3 or more combined lanes, and width greater than 11m (14m if lane count is 4). Further, such roads can have only these median markers - no other markers are allowed.
  3. The 4m/6m distinction comes into play when you consider the max permissible speed on the road. If it is 65 kmph or less, then 4m - else 6m. In the accident video, at 0:00 - one can see the road section mostly devoid of any traffic, and I think the lines are placed at 6m distance here.
  4. The IRC rationale is that "on undivided highways with more than 3 lanes, there is hardly any need for vehicles to cross the center line for overtaking. The double solid centre line prescribed for such highways is to be regarded as continuous no-overtaking marking, which is not to be crossed on either side".
  5. Nowhere in the road markings document did I see anything about controlling turning off / getting on a road. Instead, I found that in another IRC document about road signs - which defines and specifies the usage of "Left/Right Turn Prohibited" signs.
Where the HM series of lines are to be used:

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In summary - without a turn-prohibited sign what the lady did is totally fine. It is the motorcade that performed something that is actually illegal.

Here, I see only one lane each way for a total of two. Plus I estimate the hatch spacing on this road to be 6m, which is specified only for speed limit > 65 kmph. But in Kerala such roads have an administratively fixed limit of 50 kmph statewide. So in my opinion the median line itself is inappropriate for the road.
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This was shared with me over WhatsApp:

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/stor...935-2024-11-02

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A woman was killed while she was walking on the roadside after a speeding SUV allegedly driven by a 17-year-old lost control and hit her in Greater Noida.

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Old 2nd November 2024, 15:32   #41333
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This was shared with me over WhatsApp:

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/stor...935-2024-11-02
Underage and unlicensed to drive if he really is 17. Also too fast for the conditions, coupled with the pedestrian who shouldn’t be on the road, given all the free space to her left.
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Old 3rd November 2024, 20:41   #41334
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They drove like train bogies and crashed like train bogies. The convoys don't seem to have the concept of safe following distance.
I can only see the utter chaos happening with the security detail. After the incident the first escort vehicle went off, second one went ahead stopped. That's when the specially trained gems in the black vehicle realized they need to check on the CM. So they stopped came out created even more chaos and went back. Great coordination and training for unseen eventualities.
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Old 5th November 2024, 17:52   #41335
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A high speed Altroz driven by a 19 year old crashed into multiple vehicles during an aggressive lane change.

As per the CCTV footage, as the Altroz driver is overtaking the bus, looks like there's someone near the overpass and to avoid crashing on to him, Altroz swerved and lost control.



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A high speed Altroz driven by a 19 year old
This is sad loss, and the parents will be inconsolable. I feel all parents should monitor their cars using GPS systems to keep a track on driving patterns of their children. Simply giving a 5 star car doesn't make them invincible.
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