[Chetan_Rao]

Originally Posted by krishnakarthik1

... Brutal accident of a Hycross ZX. I have never seen this kind of destruction on any vehicle. It's as if the entire body shell is made of cardboard.

There's no details in either the article or the clip within as to what actually happened.

If that roof got ripped clean as part of the impact (and not cut later to extract people), then it's likely a case of the car T-boning a tall-ish container bed.

All speculative, until we know what actually happened.

What happened to all those ADAS features? If and when it does get tested will it even get 2 stars? Or is the outcome just the result of a huge truck and a tree that any car would have become like that.

Car Vs. container truck followed by a tree? No stars are saving you. NCAP stars OR lucky stars.

ADAS is driver assist, not driver immunity. Equipment can't defy physics.

[arunphilip]

Originally Posted by krishnakarthik1

Or is the outcome just the result of [...] a tree that any car would have become like that.

Crash into any reasonably-sized tree - the tree wins.
Crash into a telephone/electric pole with a deep foundation - the pole wins.

Only if the tree is young enough to break/flex can the car win. Likewise, poles in Western cities are engineered to break off in case of a collision, for vehicular safety. But traditional poles that are deeply sunk (e.g. because they carry heavy cables, not just a light fixture), they'll cut through any car like a hot knife through butter.

The way to survive a collision with a tree or a pole is not to get into one in the first place.

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by arunphilip

Only if the tree is young enough to break/flex can the car win.

I think that the fact that trees, even fair-sized ones, have some flex, is one of their ways of winning against cars. Hit the tree, it flexes. Then it flexes back. First you hit the tree, then the tree hits you!

[Doonite]

Originally Posted by krishnakarthik1

Shell shocked to see this on my twitter timeline. Brutal accident of a Hycross ZX. I have never seen this kind of destruction on any vehicle. It's as if the entire body shell is made of cardboard.

What happened to all those ADAS features? If and when it does get tested will it even get 2 stars? Or is the outcome just the result of a huge truck and a tree that any car would have become like that.

This accident happened roughly 2-3 kilometres away from my home and I am not kidding when I say this accident has absolutely horrified everybody in the city.

I cannot share the actual accident aftermath video here as it is so gruesome, even I was speechless for a moment as to what I just watched. (One guy's head has been decapitated clean! & the rest is just too hard to put into words)

I haven't seen the official news, but heard from my neighborhood uncles that 6 people (very young adults) passed away at the spot and 1 is critical in the hospital. As per them, the SUV was being driven by adults who were stupid drunk and at high-speed. It crashed into a truck container (?), then flipped across to the other side of the road and onto the tree.

It's believable they may have been at insane speeds because that spot is known as a speeding and accident prone area since I got my license 10 years back.

I hope the departed rest in peace, the survivor makes it through and the parents find strength in this difficult time.

Edit: added Google Maps image & marked the exact location.

[msdivy]

Two dead on Bengaluru's Airport Road flyover

Police said that around 11.20 pm, the truck rammed the SUV from behind. Drivers of both the vehicles entered into an argument after parking their vehicles in a dangerous manner on the flyover. The BMTC Volvo bus driver, who was proceeding towards the airport from Hebbal, could not apply the brakes due to poor visibility and rammed the cement bulker truck from behind.

The truck, which moved forward, mowed down both the drivers. The drivers were standing between the truck and the SUV.

Parking in the right-most lane on a flyover, without hazard blinkers, without tail lights on, or warning triangle, they were pushing their luck. This is not an off-case. I have seen many such instances. It was bound to catch up with them, and it finally did.

[tofudriver]

Originally Posted by krishnakarthik1

Shell shocked to see this on my twitter timeline. Brutal accident of a Hycross ZX. I have never seen this kind of destruction on any vehicle. It's as if the entire body shell is made of cardboard.

What happened to all those ADAS features? If and when it does get tested will it even get 2 stars? Or is the outcome just the result of a huge truck and a tree that any car would have become like that.

Requesting experts here to kindly analyse and give us their opinions. Very sad loss of lives.

Link below
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/.../115201022.cms

It's been said that the driver was drunk driving, he posted a story before on drinking and then driving, along with his drunken friends, they were speeding around 140KMPH and slammed into the standstill truck. I also happen to see the gruesome, gore, terrifyingly horrific aftermath video of the accident at night on reddit, I can't tell what I saw. Nothing can ever save you from this kind driving and behaviour. No adas, no shell rigidity, structure can save you, no star rating, IT'S THE FINAL MOMENT OF DEATH, NO TECHNOLOGY WILL SAVE YOU FROM DEATH.


(Mods: I apologise for being too vocal but this needs to be addressed among us and our future generations. I, now, realise why our parents are always hesitant at lending us car at night to go on a drive. I can understand how they must have felt.)

[ashivas89]

Leaving this here:

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/road-...ml#post5779338 (Underage drunk driver rams unregistered Porsche Taycan into 2-wheeler at high speed | 2 dead)

ADAS is not magic and cannot stop a car on a dime. It can only slow the car down as much as the disc brakes+ESP+ABS+tyres combo will allow it to (PHYSICS!).

ADAS does not ensure god's hand grabbing your car/ telekinesis/ reverse thrusters... i can go on.

This as automotive forum guys. Frankly the expectations people have from ADAS is embarrassing.

Please read up about friction brakes and how they work, and how they work in tandem with ADAS.

@Mods, can we please delete posts indulging in ADAS whataboutery?

End of rant.

Dear @moderators, any chance of making assured deletion of ADAS whataboutery, especially on this thread, happen?

[Chetan_Rao]

Originally Posted by msdivy

...
Parking in the right-most lane on a flyover, without hazard blinkers, without tail lights on, or warning triangle, they were pushing their luck. This is not an off-case. I have seen many such instances. It was bound to catch up with them, and it finally did...

I was returning from the airport early Tuesday morning, and a truck and Ciaz were parked up in the rightmost lane on one of the flyovers (the Ciaz was actually pointing left blocking half the middle lane too), arguing about a fender bender.

These idiots simply don't realise they can die while massaging their egos and extracting whatever 'damages' they can from the other party, and kill some other innocent party in the process who has the misfortune of being one of the first arrivals on the scene after they've decided on a mid-highway, passing lane tête-à-tête.

Edit: here's a clip off the dashcam. They do have their hazards on (previous comment edited), but it's still incredibly dangerous. They're fortunate it wasn't a foggy morning.

https://youtu.be/MIGRw2mkVTQ

[krishnakumar]

Originally Posted by Chetan_Rao

If that roof got ripped clean as part of the impact (and not cut later to extract people), then it's likely a case of the car T-boning a tall-ish container bed.

All speculative, until we know what actually happened.

Originally Posted by tofudriver

It's been said that the driver was drunk driving, he posted a story before on drinking and then driving, along with his drunken friends, they were speeding around 140KMPH and slammed into the standstill truck. I also happen to see the gruesome, gore, terrifyingly horrific aftermath video of the accident at night on reddit, I can't tell what I saw.

So I went through a few of the Reddit comments posted by the locals and eye witness testimonies. None of this is corroborated or verified, however, judging by the evidence it seems to hold.

@Chetan, your assessment is pretty much on point. Another BHPian has shared the location which is a 4 way junction. The Innova did T-bone at extremely high speeds into a container decapitating a few of the kids.

Kids were very drunk and on the way after some party at a club. They were racing with another BMW car based on witnesses. The BMW car came back to take the critically injured guy to the hospital.

Prima facie, looks like the truck was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Hope they don’t punish the poor guy for this.

[kadanaJ]

Originally Posted by chaitanyakrish

An avoidable crash. Pedestrians and kids are the most vulnerable on our dangerous roads.

https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=oAgXf1h7XzY

This takes me back to something I was taught as a small child.

NEVER run across or on the road.

Is that not being instilled in kids these days?

[Doonite]

Originally Posted by kadanaJ

This takes me back to something I was taught as a small child.

NEVER run across or on the road.

Is that not being instilled in kids these days?

I've been taught the same since childhood. Moreover, I was always taught to look both ways even on a one way street!

The children crossing the road here are in the right (no matter the running), but sadly there's no concept of stopping at a zebra crossing or a pedestrian crossing in India. Hence, it's pedestrians beware.

[mayankk]

Millions of kids are expected to not run across the road and imbibe that as a lesson. Millions of grown ups are not required to have two function brain cells before being allowed to pilot a mass of metal across zebra crossings.
Beware the idiots, as the ad said.
Kids could be excused once in a while, but adult idiots deserve to be put behind bars.

[Chetan_Rao]

I'm very paranoid when I stop for pedestrian crossings these days. More often than not, someone behind me swings around and nearly runs over the people crossing, because 'why should I stop for a lowly pedestrian?'.

I've found myself rolling my window down often and asking the pedestrians to watch for vehicles on my sides before they get out from in front of my stationary car. Some are appreciative and listen, some are oblivious (headphones/earphones are unfortunately a common occurrence).

[venukrithish]

Originally Posted by krishnakumar

@Chetan, your assessment is pretty much on point. Another BHPian has shared the location which is a 4 way junction. The Innova did T-bone at extremely high speeds into a container decapitating a few of the kids.

I saw on twitter that sunroof might've been in use as well. I'm still not sure how it can t-bone and end in a tree on the other side.

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by Doonite

I've been taught the same since childhood. Moreover, I was always taught to look both ways even on a one way street!

I got a beating for running across an English pedestrian crossing, sixty-something years ago, without looking. I'm glad I was cheeky enough to mention right of way to my dad. I have never forgotten his reply...

He was right, dead right, as he toddled along,
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong.

Thanks, Dad (1913-1990).