[get2bid]

Originally Posted by Yieldway17

..I bet when he wakes up and watches the video (or his near & dear), they still will believe he was in the right because he and countless others have done it thousands of times, so it is right and the car driver should have been more watchful.

I have had innumerable arguments with morons like those who believe that it was not their fault. Like you said, their main argument is that the since the other person was in a car, he should be more careful about his surroundings rather than expecting the bikes to be careful.

By the same logic, the bus drivers of Road Transport (RTC/ BMTC etc.) should be all the more careful since they have a much bigger vehicle.

[ecenandu]

Originally Posted by Surprise

Saw this on Youtube. Looks like one should be really lucky not to get into accidents while driving in our roads.

I for one always slows down near zebra crossing and junctions, I wouldn't have gone for that overtake. I'm not saying the driver is at fault, but defensive driving is the way to go in India.

[ksameer1234]

Originally Posted by ecenandu

I for one always slows down near zebra crossing and junctions, I wouldn't have gone for that overtake. I'm not saying the driver is at fault, but defensive driving is the way to go in India.

If I were in this situation, I probably would have gone ahead with the overtake, totally oblivious to the presence of the biker. Reason being, there was a slow moving tractor trailer who was clearly staying in its lane. Also, at busy intersection, one is generally on the lookout for someone who might be crossing over from the oncoming side of traffic. The driver of car as well as a the biker would have been unaware of each other's presence, blinded by the tractor.

This is a really scary incident. The biker came in front of car in a way which the driver would have least expected.

[Thad E Ginathom]

I think one should never overtake at a pedestrian crossing, and, if I remember rightly, the British Highway Code outlaws overtaking at junctions.

But this biker doesn't seem to care who or what hits him. He is so wrong to be turning across and into traffic like that that it dwarfs anybody else's wrongness.

Oh, by the way... according to a "conversation" I had with a biker the other day, one is supposed to leave space for them on the inside of the curve when turning left

[Acharya]

The way bikers drive in India and the kind of rules they break, requires whole new research and is a social phenomenon in itself.
It's perhaps the highest form of selfishness that one would witness on our planet.
Unfortunately, each new generation of bikers is worse than the previous one. Evidently, evolution is at work.
Of course, there are good bikers, sadly they're outnumbered by huge margin by morons like the one in this video.

[pixantz]

Originally Posted by Acharya

The way bikers drive in India and the kind of rules they break, requires whole new research and is a social phenomenon in itself.
It's perhaps the highest form of selfishness that one would witness on our planet.

Man, that seems a bit harsh on all bikers the way you put it. If it's regarding the moron types like the one above, then its ok. Because all other types of road users are filled with moronic specimens in large quantities on Indian roads.

Maybe you forgot to notice how almost all pedestrians don't know the difference between a garden or park and a road. So they hold hands and loiter about, walk right in the middle, cross randomly at any point of time like the road was made primarily for them only and they're doing a favor by allowing even motorists to use it! If they show their hand to a motorist, it should stop in it's tracks even if it's a 40 tonne truck. No logic needed. The list goes on...

Or then you forgot road hogging goods vehicles who think that the right-most lane was constructed solely for them and nobody else should venture in their territory. Or selfish motorists who basically don't know the meaning of 'giving way' and wish everyone behind them to wait for them to finish their phone call or something before moving along.

Someone rightly said, "The road is filled with idiots." It's very true specially in the Indian context and I think that means anyone and everyone who acts moronic when using public roads and not only bikers. The number of wheels or limbs on the moron is just a statistic. Cheers.

[VinodDevil81]

Originally Posted by Acharya

The way bikers drive in India and the kind of rules they break, requires whole new research and is a social phenomenon in itself.
It's perhaps the highest form of selfishness that one would witness on our planet.
Unfortunately, each new generation of bikers is worse than the previous one. Evidently, evolution is at work.
Of course, there are good bikers, sadly they're outnumbered by huge margin by morons like the one in this video.

Agree. But not all bikers are selfish and law-breakers.
But still I agree that a considerable percentage of bikers resort to all these violations and reckless acts.

But I feel that nowadays this phenomenon is not just confined to bikers alone.

The reason why many bikers resort to such idiotic and selfish law breaking acts is mainly because of the fact that their vehicle's dimension/ form factor allows them to do such reckless acts.
Their compact dimension allows them to swerve, cut across, or poke their vehicle into any gap irrespective of whether it is on the wrong side or not.

I am sure that if their vehicle's dimension/form factor permitted them to do so, a vast majority of Indian car drivers too would be more than willing to do all these reckless acts without any hesitation.
Even without the dimensional advantage of a two wheeler, nowadays we can see so many car drivers who are driving even more dangerously and unpredictably than these bikers.
So I think such drivers are present everywhere, irrespective of the number of wheels they drive.

Their ideology is simple and quite straightforward.
"Nothing will happen to me.I have done such dangerous law-breaking acts a million times before too. When so many others are doing it, why can't I? My journey and my destination is of the highest importance and every other vehicle on the road needs to wait or make way for me."

It is quite disturbing that this line of thought seems to be spreading to more and more drivers with each passing day.

[AtheK]

Thhey should play that Biker video on a loop in some places in bangalore, because not only uneducated, we have educated bikers doing the same all the time here in bangalore.

Once i was going on a road, a biker coming from wrong side asked me to slow down, and what he asked me bewildered me to no end. He asked me, bro are there cops on the turn, i was like, no but yamraj is and drove away.

[Jr Godzilla]

Originally Posted by Acharya

The way bikers drive in India and the kind of rules they break, requires whole new research and is a social phenomenon in itself.
It's perhaps the highest form of selfishness that one would witness on our planet.
Unfortunately, each new generation of bikers is worse than the previous one. Evidently, evolution is at work.
Of course, there are good bikers, sadly they're outnumbered by huge margin by morons like the one in this video.

I feel all the moron bikers are warriors or have a death wish, and probably they are strapped with a HUGE Medical or Term Insurance for their kin.

[saurabh2711]

Originally Posted by Surprise

Also the tractor driver did managed to swerve away from the rider on road as there was no other vehicle/pedestrian to his left

If we see again there were 2 more morons to his left & one laying flat on the road. Two more wrong side riders, & one 2-wheeler was directly in line of tractor (0:08).

I was always wondering what was at the passenger seat all dressed in White & why didn't she/he came out, later realized that airbags were deployed at 0:06, bang at the collision..

Why are we saying the car was overtaking the tractor (at a junction). Looking at the vdo from start, the car was on right most lane from the start (of VDO). He only swerved left at the junction to avoid another 2-wheeler who apparently wanted to turn right. Poor fellow would be down by couple of grands, for no mistake of his, just to repair his car. Don't know what happened to biker & if something went terribly wrong what will be the consequences thereafter for the car driver. Hope the CCTV comes to his rescue & give him relief if at all he has to go through a court case.

I also see a cop coming close to the car immediately after the crash. Must have been somewhere really close. Probably on the junction.
I am surprised that the biker had no fear of him standing there.
Look at the dress of the biker: Quiet similar with the cop that popped up from the junction (Khaki trouser, white shirt). Any clues, if he is a police officer & what exactly is the end result of the accident. It is a bigger shame if he is..

I still hope the two 2-wheelers who were following the same practice of driving on wrong side, take away some learning & refrain themselves from repeating it. Or we never know they may be part of another such vdo, giving us topic to discuss.

[Lobogris]

Originally Posted by saurabh2711

. Poor fellow would be down by couple of grands, for no mistake of his, just to repair his car. Don't know what happened to biker & if something went terribly wrong what will be the consequences thereafter for the car driver. Hope the CCTV comes to his rescue & give him relief if at all he has to go through a court case.

A couple of grand only? With the airbags deployed, the damages can touch one lakh easily. Then there is the issue of any possible compensation to the motorcyclist. Last year I was driving at 10 kmph on a busy road when two girls pushed each other and one of them ended up pushing her foot under my car tyre. Took her to a hospital and what was initially described as a hairline fracture in a finger ended up requiring a minor surgery. I ended up paying around 35,000 for the treatment. I was put in a difficult position as the girl was a young teen and the doctor said that there was a 90% chance that she would be ok with just a cast but she might develop a limp without surgery. Now I couldn't tell the parents that I didn't want her to get the best possible treatment. Hence I went to the ATM and paid the amount. They were very nice people though and even if they pocket the difference and just put a cast so be it. She was going to be in a cast or a month.

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by pixantz

Man, that seems a bit harsh on all bikers the way you put it. If it's regarding the moron types like the one above, then its ok. Because all other types of road users are filled with moronic specimens in large quantities on Indian roads. ... ... ...

Everything you say is right. However, I also think that bikers stand out in the chaos is, not only factors mentioned by VinodDevil81...

Originally Posted by VinodDevil81

Agree. But not all bikers are selfish and law-breakers.
But still I agree that a considerable percentage of bikers resort to all these violations and reckless acts.

But I feel that nowadays this phenomenon is not just confined to bikers alone.

The reason why many bikers resort to such idiotic and selfish law breaking acts is mainly because of the fact that their vehicle's dimension/ form factor allows them to do such reckless acts.
Their compact dimension allows them to swerve, cut across, or poke their vehicle into any gap irrespective of whether it is on the wrong side or not.

I am sure that if their vehicle's dimension/form factor permitted them to do so, a vast majority of Indian car drivers too would be more than willing to do all these reckless acts without any hesitation. ... ... ...

... but also the relatively low bar to getting on the road on two wheels. We all know that the instruction and driving tests for all categories are something of a joke, but bikes are cheaper than any car and, perhaps, perceived as easy to drive and ride. If you can balance you can drive a bike, right? (I can't and I can't: I personally perceive handling a two-wheeler as being very difficult, but I think I'm in a tiny minority worldwide!) So dad, uncle, brother, gets the guys and the gals on the road and then leaves them to it.

This low bar to entry, coupled with even more inferior instruction, testing and licensing, results in large numbers of two wheelers that act, not together, for each thinks only of themselves, but in swarms. Only last week I found myself in a serious log jam. By good judgement of one guy on foot, and co-operation of the 4-wheel drivers, we were resolving an impossible situation. What happens? The manoeuvring space that we are, with great difficulty, immediately fills up... with bikers. The good bikers need not be mentioned: they won't have been there. That still left ten or twelve idiots who were.

[FORTified]

Originally Posted by ecenandu

I wouldn't have gone for that overtake. I'm not saying the driver is at fault, but defensive driving is the way to go in India.

At you sure?
You want to drive behind a tractor that is PROPERLY driving in a slow lane, while the fast lane is empty?

I don't classify it as overtake. There is an empty lane, meant for vehicles that move faster, within stipulated speed limits and that's what the car driver is doing. He might have observed that there is nobody trying a U turn near that median opening and decided to move. Then, suddenly somebody appears out of nowhere.

Absolutely no sympathies for the biker. He asked for it.

[ecenandu]

Originally Posted by FORTified

At you sure?
You want to drive behind a tractor that is PROPERLY driving in a slow lane, while the fast lane is empty?

Yes, I won't drive behind that tractor rather drive alongside and complete the overtake after the junction.

I know an accident can happen any time, that thought makes me drive more defensively.

[Jr Godzilla]

Originally Posted by FORTified

At you sure?
You want to drive behind a tractor that is PROPERLY driving in a slow lane, while the fast lane is empty?

I don't classify it as overtake. There is an empty lane, meant for vehicles that move faster, within stipulated speed limits and that's what the car driver is doing. He might have observed that there is nobody trying a U turn near that median opening and decided to move. Then, suddenly somebody appears out of nowhere.

Absolutely no sympathies for the biker. He asked for it.

He might have observed That itself is a RISK. You have to be SURE.
Driving is all about OBSERVATION, based on which you can anticipate.

Originally Posted by ecenandu

Yes, I won't drive behind that tractor rather drive alongside and complete the overtake after the junction.

I know an accident can happen any time, that thought makes me drive more defensively.

ABSOLUTELY, and to top it we live in a country where there is no proper test for licensing, as good as no Vehicle annual registration, no proper road infra.
With so many RISKS you have to be 100% alert.

Keep up the safe driving.