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The one who gets the blame here is kid's parents for leaving her unattended while playing. Yet, I bet most of the folks would try to fault the civic guy for no mistake of his! Highly recommended! I do even check for any animals resting beneath before getting into the car, particularly in summers. Can't value less for a life even if it belongs to an animal! | |
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He could have stopped after the rear wheel ran over the girl, though! There was and there always will be a jolt when the wheels run over objects/humans/animals. That would have meant lesser damage to the kid, since the front of the car is heavier, with the engine, transmission and the driver. |
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![]() But there's a very high probability that he had mistaken the jolt for a bump or a rock. Honestly, how often do we get down and check the surroundings for a simple joggle? P.S: I am not saying that the civic guy is absolutely right neither do I intend to argue with you on this. Just sharing my opinion! ![]() | |
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You don't have kids coming under your wheel every other day, do you? It's an extremely rare incident so one would not think that. You will logically think speed bump or rock or some such similar object. Just saying.... ![]() | |
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Once you get used to these aids, hopping into a car without the aids can prove quite dangerous as your brain is subconsciously relying on audio inputs for any obstruction. | |
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Am I the only one with the notion that ABS has a detrimental effect when on roads with loose gravel/less friction? I always prefer the old fashion brake pressure application where I apply just enough force less than screeching by instinct and look left and right for a way out. Quote:
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Both our cars were parked in the street and when they started the drain work in our street, the road was littered with construction materials and we had to back out our cars from the street. I took the Maruti 800, slotted in reverse and looked back, saw obstacles, navigated well. Then I sat in Getz, looked back and surprise, there are no obstacles I can see. I had to ask my brother to come out and give me directions. Any obstacle less than the height of the chest of men is invisible in any modern car. In my old maruti 800, I look back and I can see the road at a distance from 1 car length behind me. And if you stand close to the car, any obstacle less than the height of men's knees is invisible. Last edited by GTO : 24th May 2017 at 08:55. Reason: Language | |||
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Some years back I once reversed right onto a stray dog that was practically a family pet and lived outside our house. Even the cheap made in china reverse parking sensor I had then didn't work for that and I was driving a ritz so very high seat, couldn't see the guy sleeping in front - and he usually moved away very quickly once he heard a car engine, that day he might have been slow or sleepy, sad to say. Went off and bought a much better sensor right after that, and soon after, got a reverse camera. | |
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Parking cameras are much better in that respect because you can see the things behind you. I would advocate parking cameras. Last time I came across them, the quality of those things was not good but at least you could make out if there was an obstacle or not. And that alone helps immensely. But I have a doubt. What if your parking camera has eaten the dust and mud from monsoon. How will it fare then? You have to sit in a maruti 800 and reverse it to know the difference in the visibility. Getz is still OK. Honda city and Ecosport were very poor in that matter. Last edited by aveemashfaq : 23rd May 2017 at 15:41. | |
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Your argument that the bull-bar may survive 10 hits may be true. Infact, these bull bars may never get damaged at all in a collision and that itself is the problem in monocoque cars. The bull-bar, irrespective of whether at front or rear, just transfers the collision impact to the chassis where it is bolted, thereby deforming and permanently damaging the chassis, which could otherwise have been protected to a great extent by the bumper that absorbs the impact by crumpling itself. The bar may be intact with no damage after a collision. It takes minimal impact by transferring the entire force to the chassis underneath. But then, what is being protected there? The bull-bar is just protecting itself.That's all! What about the damage that has been caused to the chassis which is not visible from outside? Imagine the plight of the chassis, after those 8-10 hits you have mentioned. Since the bull-bar & the bumper are undamaged, everything else is assumed to be undamaged and the chassis may never get inspected even after those 10 hits. Now think about it. which is more costly? The car's chassis or the useless bull-bar? Sorry to say this, but I completely disagree with you. On body-on-frame cars/SUVs, the bull-bars may serve some purpose and may not be harmful as such, but on small monocoque cars, they are suicidal, irrespective of front or rear fitment. This is what I mentioned in my previous post about the false sense of security that bull-bars provide to small car owners, and from your post I understand that unfortunately you are also a victim of that mindset. So, I think we have already discussed these things in the previous posts. For the time being, let us get back to this thread's original topic. There is already a dedicated thread about the safety issues of bull-bars on small cars. Please go through that. And if needed, let us continue this discussion there. | |
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I have stopped backing out and instead, back into my garage only after getting down and unloading (everyone and everything) while idling on the road. THEN I inspect all sides of the car and carefully back in to my private garage. I have 2 boys so have my heart in my mouth at such times. Accidents can happen anytime and anywhere. Last edited by itwasntme : 23rd May 2017 at 16:04. Reason: Clarity | |
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| ![]() On bull bars.... The mounting goes directly onto chassis which transmits forces directly. That is one reason. A much bigger reason for not having bull bars is that it also delays trigger time of air bag sensors. In speed impact each fraction of second is crucial and a delay of few micro seconds in deployment of airbags reduces their utility. You need to read about airbags, whiplash, how sudden de-acceleration implodes body organs. Avoiding few scratches and small dents on bumper is not worth missing crucial protection designed into airbag and body construction. |
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![]() For the above posted incident, definitely it is a bad luck and might be we cannot fault the Civic guy completely, however, I feel he should have been more aware of the surroundings, he should have taken a note of the kid playing around even before reversing and that there is every possibility for the kid to stray. After all, more than "who is responsible" and "who is at fault", it is about a life; neither it would be a good feeling to run over someone. And as they say, driving might be fun but even bigger a responsibility. At the end of the day, it must be an awesome feeling to have that people around you, inside and outside the car are ultra safe just because they are having one of the safest driver in you who may responsible for whatever. | |
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| ![]() My brother's Ciaz has the reverse sensors-camera combo. I believe that works best. As rightly pointed out by some, the sensors could beep to kingdom come even if it's a roadside bush near the bumper, but the camera will show you exactly what it is. Add the ORVMs to this, pointed just behind the rear wheel of your car, and you can avoid any ditches that might be lurking out there. Know this from personal experience. Was backing up near one recently. A guy could see I was, but didn't make any move to warn me. In the end I managed on my own! Also it's a good habit to manually inspect all sides of your car before moving out of a spot you had parked at a while ago. Umpteen times have found brilliant biker dudes parked within inches of my rear bumper, who would naturally be invisible from inside the car. |
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